Moore accuser admits to writing inscription.
Dec 8, 2017 20:12:01 #
working class stiff
Loc: N. Carolina
Pennylynn wrote:
I am far away from saying that Mr. Moore is innoce... (show quote)
I understand your point. Since I don't know any of the folks involved, I can only speculate. Many folks who work with the victims of abuse or harassment are not surprised that it take a long time to work up the courage to speak out. There is a lot of shame involved. I know in my family, we still dance around the subject of sex abuse, despite the fact that we know it happened to some members. It's just a complicated subject.
Dec 8, 2017 20:21:02 #
Pennylynn wrote:
It is possible this is the reason she still refuse... (show quote)
I had heard that a lot of public figures signed their autographs, they weren't even necessarily famous. Yours seems to be a reasonable explanation
Dec 8, 2017 21:14:04 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
I am sorry for your family situation. I was raised by a loving mother and Poppa, I could tell them anything and everything. I think that if you were abused, you need to have that conversation with your family.
I work with abused, not just women are victims. Abuse is the reason many come to the shelter. Anyway, I do not see many who claim to have been abused (sexually) 30 years ago. By that time, most have come to terms with the past. I am very careful to look for signs of abuse, not just the physical signs, but key words one who is an abuser and the victims use. I have worked with these people enough to spot a liar or one who embellishes their stories as well as those who are being completely candid with me. Yes, there is embarrassment in speaking out, but apparently not for these accusers.... they are going on talk shows and telling the entire world. Does not seem to be much embarrassment. Believe me when I say, these women have an end game. I do not think Ms Beverly Young Nelson plans on allowing her 15 minutes of fame to be the end. She apparently likes the attention, in her statement "I was accustomed to men flirting with me because I was well developed and I competed in beauty pageants." She goes on to say "I felt honored that Mr. Moore, who was such an important person, would write in my yearbook." She said that she wanted to call her boyfriend, but this was before cell phones. Why did she not use the phone in the cafe where she worked? And if the night was "cold" why did she go outside to wait. Common sense would say to most young women, stay in a public place, and not go outside to wait in the cold. She tells an interesting story, but I am not convinced. Too much specific details for a 30 year old memory. As for my summation, I will wait...I bet there is a book written by Ms. Nelson headed for the book-stands right now. As for the guilt of Mr. Moore... I think he was a predator of a nature, but my bet is he paid for his sexual encounters. And he would have flirted with every woman with whom he came in contact, but I do not think he would have jeopardized his career to have a one night stand with a teenager. Especially knowing that someone may have seen him. Just does not "compute"...... if you get my meaning.
I work with abused, not just women are victims. Abuse is the reason many come to the shelter. Anyway, I do not see many who claim to have been abused (sexually) 30 years ago. By that time, most have come to terms with the past. I am very careful to look for signs of abuse, not just the physical signs, but key words one who is an abuser and the victims use. I have worked with these people enough to spot a liar or one who embellishes their stories as well as those who are being completely candid with me. Yes, there is embarrassment in speaking out, but apparently not for these accusers.... they are going on talk shows and telling the entire world. Does not seem to be much embarrassment. Believe me when I say, these women have an end game. I do not think Ms Beverly Young Nelson plans on allowing her 15 minutes of fame to be the end. She apparently likes the attention, in her statement "I was accustomed to men flirting with me because I was well developed and I competed in beauty pageants." She goes on to say "I felt honored that Mr. Moore, who was such an important person, would write in my yearbook." She said that she wanted to call her boyfriend, but this was before cell phones. Why did she not use the phone in the cafe where she worked? And if the night was "cold" why did she go outside to wait. Common sense would say to most young women, stay in a public place, and not go outside to wait in the cold. She tells an interesting story, but I am not convinced. Too much specific details for a 30 year old memory. As for my summation, I will wait...I bet there is a book written by Ms. Nelson headed for the book-stands right now. As for the guilt of Mr. Moore... I think he was a predator of a nature, but my bet is he paid for his sexual encounters. And he would have flirted with every woman with whom he came in contact, but I do not think he would have jeopardized his career to have a one night stand with a teenager. Especially knowing that someone may have seen him. Just does not "compute"...... if you get my meaning.
working class stiff wrote:
I understand your point. Since I don't know any of the folks involved, I can only speculate. Many folks who work with the victims of abuse or harassment are not surprised that it take a long time to work up the courage to speak out. There is a lot of shame involved. I know in my family, we still dance around the subject of sex abuse, despite the fact that we know it happened to some members. It's just a complicated subject.
Dec 8, 2017 22:12:04 #
working class stiff wrote:
Really? I also 'dared' to write stuff in my yearbook when people signed it. It's not unusual to note times, locations, and events the photos commemorate.
Not when your lawyer won't let the book be investigated and when you're in the middle of a sexual harassment case. And who......digs their damn yearbook out 40 years later to write in it. Here's a fact that I question: I had my yearbook signed when I was a senior. Are you telling me this woman was a senior at 14????
Dec 9, 2017 09:25:33 #
working class stiff wrote:
It's cold and rainy here in NC. As for a trial and jury....let's have one. Or am I to take the words of folks who don't hear and see or speak of evil when it comes to their side. Had Moore been a Democrat you'd have called for stringing him up from a lamp post in order to protect Alabama womanhood.
Wrong again ,, I would call for truth and investigation .. I guess you would just accept yourself being labeled a pedifile and quit your job and run and hide from accusations .. Like hell you would ...
Dec 9, 2017 11:25:03 #
Pennylynn, great commentary.
An exclusive bombshell report from Big League Politics indicated that Tim Miller, a former Jeb Bush campaign staffer, was behind a Washington Post story in which a woman accused Alabama Republican senatorial candidate Roy Moore of sexual misconduct over 30 years ago.
The news site claimed they had obtained screenshots of a damning text conversation between Miller and conservative writer Charles C. Johnson in which Miller admitted to working with the co-writer of the story, Beth Reinhard.
In the texts, Miller spoke about stumbling upon the story and working with “Beth,” presumably the same Beth who co-wrote the story.
https://conservativetribune.com/ex-jeb-bush-assault-moore/
An exclusive bombshell report from Big League Politics indicated that Tim Miller, a former Jeb Bush campaign staffer, was behind a Washington Post story in which a woman accused Alabama Republican senatorial candidate Roy Moore of sexual misconduct over 30 years ago.
The news site claimed they had obtained screenshots of a damning text conversation between Miller and conservative writer Charles C. Johnson in which Miller admitted to working with the co-writer of the story, Beth Reinhard.
In the texts, Miller spoke about stumbling upon the story and working with “Beth,” presumably the same Beth who co-wrote the story.
https://conservativetribune.com/ex-jeb-bush-assault-moore/
Dec 9, 2017 11:30:07 #
[quote=working class stiff]It's cold and rainy here in NC. As for a trial and jury....let's have one. Or am I to take the words of folks who don't hear and see or speak of evil when it comes to their side. Had Moore been a Democrat you'd have called for stringing him up from a lamp post in order to protect Alabama womanhood.[/quote
Presumption of law is of no matter to you.. You have already decided Moore is guilty.. You would be a very dangerous jurist..
Presumption of law is of no matter to you.. You have already decided Moore is guilty.. You would be a very dangerous jurist..
Dec 9, 2017 12:06:20 #
[quote=lindajoy][quote=working class stiff]Had Moore been a Democrat you'd have called for stringing him up from a lamp post in order to protect Alabama womanhood.[/quote
Presumption of law is of no matter to you.. You have already decided Moore is guilty.. You would be a very dangerous jurist..[/quote]
I agree, lindajoy. Is it any wonder our judicial system is in shambles; based on warped opinions, instead of evidence of facts.
Presumption of law is of no matter to you.. You have already decided Moore is guilty.. You would be a very dangerous jurist..[/quote]
I agree, lindajoy. Is it any wonder our judicial system is in shambles; based on warped opinions, instead of evidence of facts.
Dec 9, 2017 12:24:47 #
PulletSurprise wrote:
I agree, lindajoy. Is it any wonder our judicial system is in shambles; based on warped opinions, instead of evidence of facts.
Not one bit! My biggest argument I constantly make when dealing with a motion to quash or motion in limine is that the jury should hear all facts not what can be escaped on some thought it is irrelevant!! To the contrary most are germaine !!
To me it is orchestrating the facts and therefore tarnished... But these liberal idiotic judges don’t care..
Dec 9, 2017 13:28:26 #
lindajoy wrote:
To me it is orchestrating the facts and therefore tarnished... But these liberal idiotic judges don’t care..
Like the dog says, "U got it, babe!"
Dec 9, 2017 15:17:15 #
lindajoy wrote:
Not one bit! My biggest argument I constantly make when dealing with a motion to quash or motion in limine is that the jury should hear all facts not what can be escaped on some thought it is irrelevant!! To the contrary most are germaine !!
To me it is orchestrating the facts and therefore tarnished... But these liberal idiotic judges don’t care..
To me it is orchestrating the facts and therefore tarnished... But these liberal idiotic judges don’t care..
Another thing that burns me up is standing. How much corruption is swept under the rug because smooth talking lawyers get to claim no one is entitled to see it.
Check out topic: WHO Makes Key Concessions Ahead of Pandemic Treaty Vote
Dec 9, 2017 15:38:40 #
Ricktloml wrote:
Another thing that burns me up is standing. How much corruption is swept under the rug because smooth talking lawyers get to claim no one is entitled to see it.
Too much, Rick!!!!! Too much!!!
Dec 9, 2017 15:51:07 #
He was a democrat when all of this supposedly took place. Mike
working class stiff wrote:
It's cold and rainy here in NC. As for a trial and jury....let's have one. Or am I to take the words of folks who don't hear and see or speak of evil when it comes to their side. Had Moore been a Democrat you'd have called for stringing him up from a lamp post in order to protect Alabama womanhood.
Dec 9, 2017 16:13:42 #
Ricktloml wrote:
How much corruption is swept under the rug because smooth talking lawyers get to claim no one is entitled to see it.
Why is it we hold a private accountable for every dime's worth of equipment the military issues, but Congress has 'slush funds.'
Why isn't the Podesta hearing open to public hearing? Has it become a matter of national security interest to learn of the Pervert's Playground.
Congress, "TEAR DOWN THOSE WALLS!"
Dec 9, 2017 19:03:31 #
[quote=lindajoy][quote=working class stiff]It's cold and rainy here in NC. As for a trial and jury....let's have one. Or am I to take the words of folks who don't hear and see or speak of evil when it comes to their side. Had Moore been a Democrat you'd have called for stringing him up from a lamp post in order to protect Alabama womanhood.[/quote
Presumption of law is of no matter to you.. You have already decided Moore is guilty.. You would be a very dangerous jurist..[/quote]
You're right on spot Lj. They've already decided that Moore is guilty and are calling him a pedophile. Even when there's some very disturbing holes in this woman's story. I still want to know why a girl of 14 was having "her" yearbook signed? I was a senior in high school when I got mine and had it signed. Which, I think that was pretty much the norm around that time.
And also the left ( which the Dem party doesn't exist anymore) jump on their pervs right away and they step down. But.....what really happens to them? They apologize and step down. If they were innocent they would stay and fight,if not for the job, but for their own self worth!
PS shopping done...way too much money spent. But, dang...am I in the Christmas Spirit!! Ho Ho Ho.......
Presumption of law is of no matter to you.. You have already decided Moore is guilty.. You would be a very dangerous jurist..[/quote]
You're right on spot Lj. They've already decided that Moore is guilty and are calling him a pedophile. Even when there's some very disturbing holes in this woman's story. I still want to know why a girl of 14 was having "her" yearbook signed? I was a senior in high school when I got mine and had it signed. Which, I think that was pretty much the norm around that time.
And also the left ( which the Dem party doesn't exist anymore) jump on their pervs right away and they step down. But.....what really happens to them? They apologize and step down. If they were innocent they would stay and fight,if not for the job, but for their own self worth!
PS shopping done...way too much money spent. But, dang...am I in the Christmas Spirit!! Ho Ho Ho.......
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