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Nov 25, 2017 16:08:52   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
EmilyStrode wrote:
There are other issues just as pressing: Moore twice defied the laws of this nation, violating the separation of Church and state. The separation of church and state protects Christians, it does not harness or oppress them, though for many it seems that way. If he were Muslim and had defied the laws of this nation in keeping with his faith, would you support that religious freedom? That Moore acted, if you will, in good faith not to remove the Ten Commandments from a public courthouse or approve gay marriage, if a Muslim had refused to remove Sharia Law from a government place and supported "honor killings," would you see him acting in good faith?

If it were factual--proven--that Moore had these sexual transgressions and did not confess those wrong-doings, look for forgiveness or attempt to make amends, then I would not vote for him--no matter what the consequences. So much cruelty and misery throughout history and today by people who believe the ends justifies the means; such is an evil delusion. Yet it has not been proven and Moore continues to deny it. So the question is not about whether I believe the women or Moore but on innocent until proven guilty. Make your choice on the issues.
There are other issues just as pressing: Moore twi... (show quote)


Stop it! There IS NO LAW THAT SEPARATES CHURCH AND STATE. There is a law preventing the State from interfering in the Church. But, Marxist Progressives, true to the Marxist philosophy of eliminating religion, aided by the ACLU (a former Marxist organization) is constantly chipping away at the Constitution.

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Nov 25, 2017 16:48:25   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
Kevyn wrote:
If you or I were in Moore’s shoes and were innocent we would be chomping at the bit for an opportunity to take a polygraph.

One of the rare times I've agreed with you, Kevyn.

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Nov 25, 2017 18:53:16   #
EmilyStrode
 
LAPhil wrote:
Glad you brought up that other perspective.


Thank you.

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Nov 25, 2017 18:55:40   #
EmilyStrode
 
padremike wrote:
Stop it! There IS NO LAW THAT SEPARATES CHURCH AND STATE. There is a law preventing the State from interfering in the Church. But, Marxist Progressives, true to the Marxist philosophy of eliminating religion, aided by the ACLU (a former Marxist organization) is constantly chipping away at the Constitution.


The "law" "preventing the State from interfering in the Church" is based in the Establishment Clause, and the reverse.

Separation of church and state is a concept based in the Establishment Clause, found in the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The Establishment Clause was extended to apply to the states through the Fouteenth Amendment, and prohibits laws dealing with the establishment of religion. Neither the state or federal government may enact laws which aid one or all religions, or give a preference to one religion over another. The Establishment Clause was intended to prohibit the federal government from declaring and financially supporting a national religion.

Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. There is often tension between application of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause, which protects the exercise of religious freedom. Common issues involving the Establishment Clause involve the inclusion of religious symbols in public holiday displays and school prayer, among others.

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Nov 25, 2017 19:24:45   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
EmilyStrode wrote:
The "law" "preventing the State from interfering in the Church" is based in the Establishment Clause, and the reverse.

Separation of church and state is a concept based in the Establishment Clause, found in the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The Establishment Clause was extended to apply to the states through the Fouteenth Amendment, and prohibits laws dealing with the establishment of religion. Neither the state or federal government may enact laws which aid one or all religions, or give a preference to one religion over another. The Establishment Clause was intended to prohibit the federal government from declaring and financially supporting a national religion.

Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. There is often tension between application of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause, which protects the exercise of religious freedom. Common issues involving the Establishment Clause involve the inclusion of religious symbols in public holiday displays and school prayer, among others.
The "law" "preventing the State fro... (show quote)


And do you recall how, why, and who got the government to pry their rump scratching fingers into the constitution and begin diminishing the Christian faith, basically the only one being attacked by the state? It happened in my lifetime. Once the camel got her nose in the tent liberal judges discovered a heretofore unknown right to privacy that allowed the murder of 60 million unborn children. Next came homosexual marriage. See a pattern here? The lid on Pandora's box has been ripped off and tossed on the fire. Next week I can call myself a woman although I'm naturally male. Madness! Total madness!

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Nov 26, 2017 00:17:44   #
EmilyStrode
 
padremike wrote:
And do you recall how, why, and who got the government to pry their rump scratching fingers into the constitution and begin diminishing the Christian faith, basically the only one being attacked by the state? It happened in my lifetime. Once the camel got her nose in the tent liberal judges discovered a heretofore unknown right to privacy that allowed the murder of 60 million unborn children. Next came homosexual marriage. See a pattern here? The lid on Pandora's box has been ripped off and tossed on the fire. Next week I can call myself a woman although I'm naturally male. Madness! Total madness!
And do you recall how, why, and who got the govern... (show quote)


I understand, I DO. Christian dominance in American society was not just favored in this country but openly celebrated for most of its existence. The change from that ethos to now happened in my lifetime as well. There definitely does appear a downward progression of morals in this nation. But it was not liberal judges that changed things: it was the slow enforcement of the Establishment Clause, over Christian favoritism, that turned the tide, and a growing plurality. This may have looked like persecution yet it was merely enforcing the Constitution.

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Nov 26, 2017 06:00:34   #
Betta
 
I'm with you on that. The Ten Commandments are more about living right than religion. No matter one's religious beliefs, if all lived by the commandments i.e. no murdering, lying, cheating, stealing, hating, coveting, no abominable acts, etc, what a beautiful world it would be. Just think if we all would love our fellow man as we love ourselves.

no propaganda please wrote:
Please state the exact lines that you claim indicate separation of church and state. Is it in the body of the Constitution or in an amendment? If so, which one and how exactly is it worded? After trying to find it for several hours perhaps you will finally admit that IT IS NOT ANYWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

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Nov 26, 2017 06:31:10   #
flagit001
 
Roy Moore ran for president already no one came out against him then I believe in innocent until proven guilty this is a play card from the left it's all about power and money, these people are not stupid when it comes to money!!!

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Nov 26, 2017 06:32:54   #
flagit001
 
Ps. This country was founded on Christian faith end of story they were all religious and so should you be!!!

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Nov 26, 2017 07:30:42   #
Liberty Tree
 
Kevyn wrote:
Write, call and email Moore and do the same to media outlets across Alabama. Moore can bring the entire thing to closure in one hour. All he needs to do is demand a polygraph exam done by an independent agency. The only question any journalist should ask Moore is; are you willing to settle this by submitting to a polygraph?


Why just Moore? What about the accusers submitting to a polygraph? Besides, even if Moore submitted to a polygraph and passed you would not accept it. You would be posting how he somehow cheated to pass it. You want him to be guilty so nothing showing his being innocent will be accept by you. I know it, you know it and so does everyone else.

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Nov 26, 2017 08:03:46   #
maureenthannon
 
If he is guilty, he should admit it. However, if he is not guilty, it would be a sin for him to admit it to get people to stop talking about it. In the USA, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, no matter the crime or the opinions of the people. I realize that when some one is sexually violated, they suffer from the experience their whole life. When a person says that they were raped, or sexually violated in any way, the accusation should be taken seriously. It should be investigated and the results of the investigation brought to light.Unfortunately, in MANY people's minds, Mooe is guilty no matter what the evidence finds. This is a kind of situatuin where no one really wins. Either, he's guilty, and his victims suffer for the rest of their lives, or he's not guilty, but will suffer in the curt of public opinion for the rest of his life.

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Nov 26, 2017 08:56:19   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
Kevyn wrote:
Write, call and email Moore and do the same to media outlets across Alabama. Moore can bring the entire thing to closure in one hour. All he needs to do is demand a polygraph exam done by an independent agency. The only question any journalist should ask Moore is; are you willing to settle this by submitting to a polygraph?


I can guarantee you that Judge Roy Moore knows the poor results that come out of polygraphs.
Test results are inconclusive.
Why not have hiLIARy take one on how many people she's had killed ? Bet she wouldn't either. As an atty she knows how poor the results are.
This is a hit job, you know it, I know it.

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Nov 26, 2017 09:43:59   #
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr Loc: Chino Valley, Arizona
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Please state the exact lines that you claim indicate separation of church and state. Is it in the body of the Constitution or in an amendment? If so, which one and how exactly is it worded? After trying to find it for several hours perhaps you will finally admit that IT IS NOT ANYWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION.


There is NO such thing as "Separation of Church and State" noted in the Constitution.
It was a term made up by athiest's and those who were ignorant of the meaning of the 1st Amendment in the 1970's.
The statement is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". This is not a separtion of church and state, just means, Congress can make no laws prohibiting religion.

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Nov 26, 2017 12:34:14   #
Kevyn
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Why just Moore? What about the accusers submitting to a polygraph? Besides, even if Moore submitted to a polygraph and passed you would not accept it. You would be posting how he somehow cheated to pass it. You want him to be guilty so nothing showing his being innocent will be accept by you. I know it, you know it and so does everyone else.

In no way do I want him to have abused those children, if they could have been spared their suffering at the hands of a predator it would be wonderful. Unfortunately the hands of time can not be turned back so the best we can hope for is that they receive some comfort in him being held accountable. I would accept the results of a polygraph exam but it is irrelevant because he is a coward unwilling to submit himself to the test.

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Nov 26, 2017 12:36:57   #
Kevyn
 
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr wrote:
There is NO such thing as "Separation of Church and State" noted in the Constitution.
It was a term made up by athiest's and those who were ignorant of the meaning of the 1st Amendment in the 1970's.
The statement is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". This is not a separtion of church and state, just means, Congress can make no laws prohibiting religion.
Prohibiting or establishing religion, allowing religion to encumber public body’s is establishing religion.

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