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Feb 9, 2014 19:57:50   #
Hungry Freaks
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Oh but there is a large group of them in this country under the disguise of being a dumbohcrap, Whoops this can't be because all dumbohcrap's communists under the disguise of being liberal/progressives. Crap aren't socialists just a step above being a progressive / liberal on the road to communism? I guess we could just cut through all the crap and address dumbohcrap's by what they really are, just liberal progressive socialists traveling down the road to communism....

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Feb 9, 2014 20:00:05   #
GEM lucas Loc: TRIADELPHIA ,WV
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Amazing--same claim again and again that opposing viewpoint isn't able to understand. Just because low class rightwingnuts have difficulty understanding doesn't mean other people do. You who have no education claim people who do have education don't understand? How ironic is that?!! Doushbag says it. Tas says it. Macaroni says it. Pixie says it. Wnat's up with this claim of understanding and not understanding, lack of education, trash and filth talk, and wacko ideas like Obama muslim, Obama communist, Obama hate America, prog/libs as socialists, etc. etc.? It's believed and spouted like an ideology but is just plain loco, weird, wacko. Is it because these people are low class and uneducated with an inferiority complex that they focus on "ability to understand"? Is it a matter of paranoia? It is a most peculiar phenomenon, that's for sure.

Perhaps the most revealing instance of this "ability to understand" obsession with the rightwingnut club was Tas's strange rant about how progs/libs didn't even know that glaciers "slid" down the continent (in relation to prog/lib climate change positions). "What? You've gotta be kidding me! Everyone with an education knows about the ice age and glaciers...in fact that's the very basis of worries about "climate change." Why the heck would Tas assume what she knew about glaciers progs/libs wouldn't know? That's strange thinking. That's a small example of what I mean when I refer to the thinking of you rightwingnuts being abnormal. It's not just the nutty political conspiracy ideas, it extends to ideas about other people not understanding, other people being spoiled children, blah, blah, blah stupid ideas.
Amazing--same claim again and again that opposing ... (show quote)

It's really hard to get some people to just use common since.You know my Dad only went to the third grade, but he had a lot more common since then some them on this forum. boy it's really sad.

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Feb 9, 2014 20:00:40   #
Hungry Freaks
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Ah little brucie boy, just another one so upset that not everyone is stupid enough to fall for the obozo's BS and can't stand it that something was posted that you can't understand or disprove so you just go off an another one of your insulting rants. If your an example of the adults on this site we're in serious trouble here....


"Insulting rants" and "adolescent name calling"?????????

Surely ou jest, King (or queen) of all mindless rants and adolescent name calling.

Have you no shame?

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Feb 9, 2014 20:23:12   #
Hungry Freaks
 
agreed that a return to the Gold Standard would be difficult, if not impossible given what has occurred since we went off the GS.

And ending US debt as the instrument of choice by the world-wide economy would have disastrous effects upon the US Treasury.

HOw would we re-establish a benchmark price for gold now that it's price has been floated as a commodity for 45 years?

Considering the the bulk of new gold production is in Russia, Canada and Africa, it would be a boon to those regions. It would be a disaster to the US which has drawn down it's gold reserves since Nixon floated it's price in the early 1970s.

I know Libertarians seek a return to the relative safety and stability the Gold Standard was linked to n the 20th Century. It's natural to look at what we have today and have atavist thoughts about what once was.

But what of the instability of the late 19th Century when competition between currency standard, gold, silver and greenbacks, created multiple economic panics. Return to a bimetallism? Or a new metal, such as platinum?

Think we're stuck in the current Treasury Bond system. Gold is way overvalued. It goes through the same boom and bust system as the stock market, albeit in a counter-valued cycle.

Same goes for the fed. How would a nation go about dismantling it's central bank? Isn't that what we claim is wrong with the EU-no central bank?

What historical even would cause such a radical change?

The current monetarists have no eradicated the business cycle, but simply tamed it. At some point there will be a world-wide repudiation of debt.

If one were to pile up every piece of currency in the world, every dollar, dinar, euro, mark, shekel, ruble, yen and so on, it wouldn't be enough to satisfy the combined public and private debt accrued by individuals, corporations and governments. We have debt that is simply never met to be repaid, but replaced with new loans, more debt,more bonds.

Will such a repudiation ever happen? In our lifetime? As John Maynard Keynes once said when asked about debt, he said: "in the long run, we'll all be dead."

True, but not all that comforting.


UncleJesse wrote:
There's nothing bad about skepticism over this but I like to consider where the biggest, most influential investors are betting and gold is simply a commodity that rises in bad times and falls in good times while the US debt purchasing is used as the financial standard. As such, the influential worldwide banks, pension funds, mortgage lenders, etc., are using the US Treasury. For that to have a historical change, there would need to be a historical event. Even then, there is no guarantee it would swap to gold. There would be international disagreement because the holders of more gold would have an advantage and chances are higher it would swap to an IMF standard more than gold with economies of production and consumption determining the rates of exchange.
There's nothing bad about skepticism over this but... (show quote)

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Feb 9, 2014 20:29:21   #
big D
 
The Dutchman wrote:
I really like that one, Thanks, Isn't it strange how these winey little spoiled brats always cry like the babies they are when ever their outed then ramble on mindlessly and when all else fails they start their name calling rants then when anyone retaliates in a like manor they go off on another crying rant.
Who ever came up with this little ditty was spot on...

You are so sad!

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Feb 9, 2014 20:31:29   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Oh okay, thanks Stymie!
Yeah, I'd probably do that too if I were a foreign bank.

stymie wrote:
I misled you somehow in that I did not advocate that Gold would become the Reserve Currency. My point was that the Banks throughout different countries simply feel more secure with Gold rather than U.S. Dollars in their coffers. Where banks all over the world are required to keep the Reserve Currency available for buying, trading currencies, exchange, etc. they are not comfortable with worthless paper. I say worthless paper due to the fact that the Banks, federal Reserve and the U.S.Treasury have leveraged the dollar thru Bonds, derivatives and other investment schemes to the point there is no way to cover the outstanding liabilities. That in itself when exposed will be your Historical Event. The New Reserve Currency will more than likely be a New World Order Currency not yet named. I repeat, do not be lulled by the Normalcy Syndrome.
I misled you somehow in that I did not advocate th... (show quote)

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Feb 9, 2014 20:32:03   #
Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Ah little brucie boy, just another one so upset that not everyone is stupid enough to fall for the obozo's BS and can't stand it that something was posted that you can't understand or disprove so you just go off an another one of your insulting rants. If your an example of the adults on this site we're in serious trouble here....


Well one thing is for sure, you not an example of an adult, whatsoever. Your educational level is somewhere south of fifth grade and you maturity level is that of an infant, but you are funny. Do the "Dutch" know you're insulting them by using their nationality, in your user name? You know your responses are like a broken record, don't you? No originality. That's what happens when you're working with a limited uneducated brain. Where did you pick up that crazy little moniker, for the President? I know you didn't come up with it, on your own. Who did you steal it from? You epitomize the essence of "Monkey see, monkey do", incapable of any originally generated thoughts, of your own.

Come on "Dutchman" I'm just funnin' you. I don't mean anything I post. It's just so fun pulling your chain. I know you can't understand half of what I post, anyway. Seriously quit insulting the "Dutch". What did they ever do to you?

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Feb 9, 2014 20:38:44   #
kegler299 Loc: Aurora, Il.
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Amazing--same claim again and again that opposing viewpoint isn't able to understand. Just because low class rightwingnuts have difficulty understanding doesn't mean other people do. You who have no education claim people who do have education don't understand? How ironic is that?!! Doushbag says it. Tas says it. Macaroni says it. Pixie says it. Wnat's up with this claim of understanding and not understanding, lack of education, trash and filth talk, and wacko ideas like Obama muslim, Obama communist, Obama hate America, prog/libs as socialists, etc. etc.? It's believed and spouted like an ideology but is just plain loco, weird, wacko. Is it because these people are low class and uneducated with an inferiority complex that they focus on "ability to understand"? Is it a matter of paranoia? It is a most peculiar phenomenon, that's for sure.

Perhaps the most revealing instance of this "ability to understand" obsession with the rightwingnut club was Tas's strange rant about how progs/libs didn't even know that glaciers "slid" down the continent (in relation to prog/lib climate change positions). "What? You've gotta be kidding me! Everyone with an education knows about the ice age and glaciers...in fact that's the very basis of worries about "climate change." Why the heck would Tas assume what she knew about glaciers progs/libs wouldn't know? That's strange thinking. That's a small example of what I mean when I refer to the thinking of you rightwingnuts being abnormal. It's not just the nutty political conspiracy ideas, it extends to ideas about other people not understanding, other people being spoiled children, blah, blah, blah stupid ideas.
Amazing--same claim again and again that opposing ... (show quote)


A lot of words to do the same thing you are saying the right does. Have a nice day.

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Feb 9, 2014 20:44:54   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
I believe you made some good points about the practical reality of it all. If there is a world wide repudiation of debt, what would be available enough to satisfy all those coffers to swap over to and is debt-free?

Hungry Freaks wrote:
agreed that a return to the Gold Standard would be difficult, if not impossible given what has occurred since we went off the GS.

And ending US debt as the instrument of choice by the world-wide economy would have disastrous effects upon the US Treasury.

HOw would we re-establish a benchmark price for gold now that it's price has been floated as a commodity for 45 years?

Considering the the bulk of new gold production is in Russia, Canada and Africa, it would be a boon to those regions. It would be a disaster to the US which has drawn down it's gold reserves since Nixon floated it's price in the early 1970s.

I know Libertarians seek a return to the relative safety and stability the Gold Standard was linked to n the 20th Century. It's natural to look at what we have today and have atavist thoughts about what once was.

But what of the instability of the late 19th Century when competition between currency standard, gold, silver and greenbacks, created multiple economic panics. Return to a bimetallism? Or a new metal, such as platinum?

Think we're stuck in the current Treasury Bond system. Gold is way overvalued. It goes through the same boom and bust system as the stock market, albeit in a counter-valued cycle.

Same goes for the fed. How would a nation go about dismantling it's central bank? Isn't that what we claim is wrong with the EU-no central bank?

What historical even would cause such a radical change?

The current monetarists have no eradicated the business cycle, but simply tamed it. At some point there will be a world-wide repudiation of debt.

If one were to pile up every piece of currency in the world, every dollar, dinar, euro, mark, shekel, ruble, yen and so on, it wouldn't be enough to satisfy the combined public and private debt accrued by individuals, corporations and governments. We have debt that is simply never met to be repaid, but replaced with new loans, more debt,more bonds.

Will such a repudiation ever happen? In our lifetime? As John Maynard Keynes once said when asked about debt, he said: "in the long run, we'll all be dead."

True, but not all that comforting.
agreed that a return to the Gold Standard would be... (show quote)

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Feb 9, 2014 20:45:37   #
The Dutchman
 
Hungry queer Freaks wrote:
"Insulting rants" and "adolescent name calling"?????????
Surely ou jest, King (or queen) of all mindless rants and adolescent name calling.
Have you no shame?


You people always follow alinsky's teachings and quite well I might add. You attack anyone and everyone that goes against your progressive, liberal, socialistic brain washed way of thinking. Your adolescent mind lacks the ability to respond in an adult manor so your only way of responding is with name calling and insults. Like I said before, " I have to quit calling you stupid because your taking it as a challenge.
Strange how this post has had 829 views and 98 comments and I have received 47 private messages from normal people that just don't want the name calling and insults that responding will get them. most of the 98 comments are from the people that have no clue what the post was about and just want to go on name calling rants because they lack the mental capacity, (which is more than evident} to understand what the topic was all about and can't stand that there is documented historical proof that liberals are nothing but useless useful idiots.

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Feb 9, 2014 21:02:09   #
The Dutchman
 
Bruce Kennedy wrote:
Well one thing is for sure, you not an example of an adult, whatsoever. Your educational level is somewhere south of fifth grade and you maturity level is that of an infant, but you are funny. Do the "Dutch" know you're insulting them by using their nationality, in your user name? You know your responses are like a broken record, don't you? No originality. That's what happens when you're working with a limited uneducated brain. Where did you pick up that crazy little moniker, for the President? I know you didn't come up with it, on your own. Who did you steal it from? You epitomize the essence of "Monkey see, monkey do", incapable of any originally generated thoughts, of your own.

Come on "Dutchman" I'm just funnin' you. I don't mean anything I post. It's just so fun pulling your chain. I know you can't understand half of what I post, anyway. Seriously quit insulting the "Dutch". What did they ever do to you?
Well one thing is for sure, you not an example of ... (show quote)


Little brucie, all you people do is hijack any and every post that outs your beloved muslim messiah and try to turn it into a bunch of name calling rants.
I will continue to post anything and everything I can that I know will get under the skin of the liberal morons and get their panties in a wad.
It's some of the best entertainment there is on the internet listening to the little pigs squeal....



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Feb 9, 2014 21:11:24   #
The Dutchman
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Now I see the shemarine has resorted to name calling and rude comments. I guess it's yet another one we have to quit calling stupid cause it is also taking it as a challenge....

shemarine wrote:
I see that you have taken up the role from the ex propaganda queen old fool... The Dutchman....The new provider of batshit for the weak minded :thumbup:


Ah yes, exactly what I would expect from someone hating to see their beloved muslim messiah outed...

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Feb 9, 2014 21:24:04   #
emarine
 
The Dutchman wrote:
The Dutchman wrote:
Now I see the shemarine has resorted to name calling and rude comments. I guess it's yet another one we have to quit calling stupid cause it is also taking it as a challenge....



Ah yes, exactly what I would expect from someone hating to see their beloved muslim messiah outed...


Na Dutchess ... it has little to do with the President.... Its all about what's real and what's not, and the ability to tell the difference. Just like your Benghazi propaganda posts, pure batshit from shallow stupid people... the ones you faithfully follow.... what is really amazing is no matter how many times your proven wrong you come back for more.

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Feb 9, 2014 22:24:00   #
Hungry Freaks
 
My guess that a repudiation of debt would lead to a collapse that would be short and severe. that would lead to the "historic event" that would either be social and economic turmoil or a re-building of the system by it's inherent productivity. Callit a complete correction, just as the stock market erases wealth every so often to bring proper valuation to an over-valued stock market.

'fraid I'm not smart enough, or imaginative enough, to foresee what would replace the T-Bill and other forms of debt. Gold? Platinum? Small arms? Ammo? Food?

Someone once said exploitation (the word used not in the pejorative sense) of natural resources the source of all wealth. Perhaps natural resources and agricultural commodities, with the nations possessing the most becoming the wealthiest. .




UncleJesse wrote:
I believe you made some good points about the practical reality of it all. If there is a world wide repudiation of debt, what would be available enough to satisfy all those coffers to swap over to and is debt-free?

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Feb 9, 2014 22:25:33   #
The Dutchman
 
shemarine wrote:
Na Dutchess ... it has little to do with the President.... Its all about what's real and what's not, and the ability to tell the difference. Just like your Benghazi propaganda posts, pure batshit from shallow stupid people... the ones you faithfully follow.... what is really amazing is no matter how many times your proven wrong you come back for more.


How about refreshing my memory so I can better understand this:



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