Why Attack the Pledge of Allegiance? (Page 2): That's right, that's only what you think, there are millions of us that think a lot differently than you, and don't have to accept what...

Randy131 Loc: Florida

That's right, that's only what you think, there are millions of us that think a lot differently than you, and don't have to accept what you think being crammed down our throats, as Obama and the Democrats have done for the last 8 years, but now we can continue living as all Americans have been since the founding of this country, instead of what Obama, the Democrats, and people like you have forced upon us. With President Trump, it'a new day, and our free speech rights and our freedom of religion right have once again been restored to us. We we will live like our forefathers have, with our rights of choice and association, and not being forced to do what elitists say is best for us, but instead doing what we have the right to decide and choose for ourselves what is best for us, the freedoms this country guaranteed for everyone until Obama, the Democrats, and people like you took over, and decided you'd force us to do your will, because you and your kind decided that would be best for us all.

The "Declaration" is not a list of grievances, for the American colonists had sent King George many lists of grievances over a long period of time, which he simply ignored, but this was different, much different.

The first three paragraphs explained what kind of governance man expected and deserved under a caring and omnipotent GOD (Creator), whose interventions guided man in his life and relationships with other men, and how everyone should be treated, with honor and repsect for being a creation of GOD. The next twenty seven paragraphs, many being just one sentence paragraphs, explaining the reasons, grievances as you want to call them, for what they were about to declare.

The last three paragraphs explaining the American colonists actions that they were taking to right the wrongs that had been perpetrated on them by King George, and start governing themselves, so they would no longer have to suffer the wrongs that King George constantly inflicted upon them, by declaring the thirteen American colonies to now be seperate and independent from King George and Great Britain, as a newly formed nation of states that have united for their common good and common defense, a 'Delaration of Independence' for the thirteen 'United States of America', not just a list of grievances as you want it to be, but a writ of explanation, reason, and action guided by GOD, which all the 'Founding Fathers' insisted that their success was completely owed to the intervention and providence of GOD, their Creator, and the true facts of the history of the start of the United States of America.

Now you claim that "under GOD" was added to the pledge, an oath to the USA, because the American people were afraid of the "Communists"? Is that the best fantasy that you can come up with, which is so ridiculous it doesn't warrant addressing. You're simply pathetic, and you need more instruction from your indoctrinators on how to indoctrinate others, for you're proving to be pathetic at it with made up ridiculous fantasies as that. I'm old enough to have the common sense and knowledge to not to believe your BS. As far as my age, and the level at which I read, the USMC declared many years ago that it is much better than what you have proven, in your own abilities of the same, in your comments on these OPP sites.

Take your atheism and fantasies to other more guillable and weak minded people like yourself, who like you have a penchant for believing the BS that your indoctrinators have you espousing in your pathetic attempt to convert others to the ridiculous beliefs that you insanely accept. You're a waste of my time, so trot along and bother someone else, your not worth arguing with, because you deny the truth and our history. Go practice on someone elase, and quit bothering me.

PeterS wrote:

They added God because it was the 50's and everyone was terrified of the godless communists. How old are you Randy? You read like you are about 16 with the comprehension level of a 9th grader. I'll give you some slack now but you have some serious catching up to do. Start with Locke. Give him a read and when you've finished I'll add to your reading list.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Randy131 wrote:

That's right, that's only what you think, there are millions of us that think a lot differently than you, and don't have to accept what you think being crammed down our throats, as Obama and the Democrats have done for the last 8 years, but now we can continue living as all Americans have been since the founding of this country, instead of what Obama, the Democrats, and people like you have forced upon us. With President Trump, it'a new day, and our free speech rights and our freedom of religion right have once again been restored to us. We we will live like our forefathers have, with our rights of choice and association, and not being forced to do what elitists say is best for us, but instead doing what we have the right to decide and choose for ourselves what is best for us, the freedoms this country guaranteed for everyone until Obama, the Democrats, and people like you took over, and decided you'd force us to do your will, because you and your kind decided that would be best for us all.

The "Declaration" is not a list of grievances, for the American colonists had sent King George many lists of grievances over a long period of time, which he simply ignored, but this was different, much different.

The first three paragraphs explained what kind of governance man expected and deserved under a caring and omnipotent GOD (Creator), whose interventions guided man in his life and relationships with other men, and how everyone should be treated, with honor and repsect for being a creation of GOD. The next twenty seven paragraphs, many being just one sentence paragraphs, explaining the reasons, grievances as you want to call them, for what they were about to declare.

The last three paragraphs explaining the American colonists actions that they were taking to right the wrongs that had been perpetrated on them by King George, and start governing themselves, so they would no longer have to suffer the wrongs that King George constantly inflicted upon them, by declaring the thirteen American colonies to now be seperate and independent from King George and Great Britain, as a newly formed nation of states that have united for their common good and common defense, a 'Delaration of Independence' for the thirteen 'United States of America', not just a list of grievances as you want it to be, but a writ of explanation, reason, and action guided by GOD, which all the 'Founding Fathers' insisted that their success was completely owed to the intervention and providence of GOD, their Creator, and the true facts of the history of the start of the United States of America.

Now you claim that "under GOD" was added to the pledge, an oath to the USA, because the American people were afraid of the "Communists"? Is that the best fantasy that you can come up with, which is so ridiculous it doesn't warrant addressing. You're simply pathetic, and you need more instruction from your indoctrinators on how to indoctrinate others, for you're proving to be pathetic at it with made up ridiculous fantasies as that. I'm old enough to have the common sense and knowledge to not to believe your BS. As far as my age, and the level at which I read, the USMC declared many years ago that it is much better than what you have proven, in your own abilities of the same, in your comments on these OPP sites.

Take your atheism and fantasies to other more guillable and weak minded people like yourself, who like you have a penchant for believing the BS that your indoctrinators have you espousing in your pathetic attempt to convert others to the ridiculous beliefs that you insanely accept. You're a waste of my time, so trot along and bother someone else, your not worth arguing with, because you deny the truth and our history. Go practice on someone elase, and quit bothering me.

That's right, that's only what you think, there ar... (show quote)

peters: Can you prove your not 15?

pafret Loc: Northeast

PeterS wrote:

First off, ideology is a political philosophy--our nation wasn't founded on a political philosophy. Second, what attack on the Declaration of Independence are you talking about? As for the Pledge. All we are attacking is the addition of the phrase "under god" We are fine with the pledge. We just think that since the founders didn't include "under god" in anything why should we?

Yopu defintely need to learn what a "political philosopy" is because if you knew you wouldn't make statements like this.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

pafret: Your asking a lot of peter to learn! If I personally wanted his opinion ......I would give it to him!

GmanTerry

ldsuttonjr wrote:

Liberals Attack Pledge of Allegiance br br br b... (show quote)

The goal is to destroy American heritage. Tucker Carlson had the head of the NAACP, from some town who wants the Star Spangled Banner gone because it's racist. There is nothing they won't try to destroy or discredit.

Semper Fi

pafret Loc: Northeast

GmanTerry wrote:

The goal is to destroy American heritage. Tucker Carlson had the head of the NAACP, from some town who wants the Star Spangled Banner gone because it's racist. There is nothing they won't try to destroy or discredit.

Semper Fi

I wonder what he would have said if Tucker Carlson agreed and then said while we are at it we will get rid of all racists by rounding them up and shipping them to the Gobi or Sahara deserts. The first group will be all the blacks since they are the biggest racists in the country.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

You are completely correct Larry, but for me personally, and nobody is required to do this unless it is solely their own decision, I prefer to spell the real, true, and only GOD in all capitals, which is the least respect that I could and want to show Him. There has been a few known names given to GOD, Jehovah being just one, but I always wanted to call Him by His true name, but didn't know what that would be, until I finally accidentally learned that in the Hebrew language, the word for "I AM' is "YAHWEH".

Larry the Legend wrote:

Just for your information, God is a proper noun in this instance and therefore is spelt with a capital 'G', as in 'God'. Using the lower case instance, as in 'god', infers reference to an object, not a being (as in 'a god', or 'the god'). I know it can be confusing, but I'm sure you'll get the hang of it if you try.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Are you directing that question at me or PeterS? As far as the question is concerned, don't worry about it, that's been one of the nicest things said to me in a very long time, except by those of the oppsite sex, which sometimes they can be fickle, so let it be, I'm glad to be asked that, it makes me feel good now. I just didn't know that I wrote like a 15 year old 9th grader, for that would certainly embarrass the teachers in how they graded me throughout high school?

ldsuttonjr wrote:

peters: Can you prove your not 15?

Candace Grugel

Boy, with all your babbling, you really need serious couch time, and I don't mean a nap. Incidentally, though it obviously pains you to face this little tidbit of fact, this country was founded upon the Ten Commandments. Look it up you insipid little fascist.
Yeah, PeteyS, you are always good for a laugh.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Candace, when you're replying to a comment, click on the 'Quote Reply' button, so the one you are replying to will be listed, and all will know who your comment was meant for, instead of just the 'Reply' button, that doesn't direct your comment to anyone. Just some friendly advice.

Candace Grugel wrote:

Boy, with all your babbling, you really need serious couch time, and I don't mean a nap. Incidentally, though it obviously pains you to face this little tidbit of fact, this country was founded upon the Ten Commandments. Look it up you insipid little fascist.

Candace Grugel

[quote=Randy131]Candace, when you're replying to a comment, click on the 'Quote Reply' button, so the one you are replying to will be listed, and all will know who your comment was meant for, instead of just the 'Reply' button, that doesn't direct your comment to anyone. Just some friendly advice.[/quote
Yeppers. I realized after I hit "post." Sorry. It was meant for our little Petey. What a canker sore on the butt of thinking people that one is. Reminds me. Has anyone heard from turd lately?

pafret Loc: Northeast

[quote=Candace Grugel][quote=Randy131]Candace, when you're replying to a comment, click on the 'Quote Reply' button, so the one you are replying to will be listed, and all will know who your comment was meant for, instead of just the 'Reply' button, that doesn't direct your comment to anyone. Just some friendly advice.[/quote
Yeppers. I realized after I hit "post." Sorry. It was meant for our little Petey. What a canker sore on the butt of thinking people that one is. Reminds me. Has anyone heard from turd lately?[/quote]

Sshh! Just like Betelgeuse, you don't want to say his name too often.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

I finished turdnest up last night on a different OPP site and thread, but you apparently certain know PeterS by your description of him, and you're right about turdnest too, they both are one of a kind. I haven't noticed you on these OPP sites before Candace, but I'm glad to meet you, you seem to be my type of girl, with your descriptions of PeterS and turdnest, so have a good day, and give them a piece of your mind and make them so very envious of what you can do, and they can't, speak of the truth.

[quote=Candace Grugel][quote=Randy131]Candace, when you're replying to a comment, click on the 'Quote Reply' button, so the one you are replying to will be listed, and all will know who your comment was meant for, instead of just the 'Reply' button, that doesn't direct your comment to anyone. Just some friendly advice.[/quote
Yeppers. I realized after I hit "post." Sorry. It was meant for our little Petey. What a canker sore on the butt of thinking people that one is. Reminds me. Has anyone heard from turd lately?[/quote]

atomikmom Loc: Burien, Washington

ldsuttonjr wrote:

Liberals Attack Pledge of Allegiance br br br b... (show quote)

The Liberals want control over the American Ship, even if it destroy everything and anything that does not please them and support them. I call that total greed and disruption. "Follow them or Suffer.

teabag09

When YOU say the Pledge why don't YOU leave "under GOD" out and leave the rest of us alone? Mike

PeterS wrote:

First off, ideology is a political philosophy--our nation wasn't founded on a political philosophy. Second, what attack on the Declaration of Independence are you talking about? As for the Pledge. All we are attacking is the addition of the phrase "under god" We are fine with the pledge. We just think that since the founders didn't include "under god" in anything why should we?