oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

So many people on the left want us to go to popular vote for electing our presidents but obviously they think there can always be more popular votes for their people and they know, from experience that the Electoral College has always worked pretty well. It is much harder to vote the way they want with the College than if you use popular votes. The 2000 election was the last one that was really opposed because of the Florida vote, but many newspapers and magazines sent people to recount and recount and they sure found out that Bush had the most votes. What better people than the media could have done that recounting, leaners?

http://dailysignal.com/2017/10/26/electoral-college-helps-protect-voter-fraud/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell%22&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWmpBMVpqbGxaRFUyTldKayIsInQiOiJLUVMxcTBSemszTFkyUW84eSs2VDVDZFBhaXBhVHV0UGQyY0NyS1REUk1jWTRRUWtKbTloVXd1XC9xREE1c3MwYjBSeXQ5M1BRWVBrOGkrSEZSTjhMWHNLRlJWeFZzZmNLXC8xdWxtSDBBUjUyTjBMeERSSWxoWmxPeDBVY2d5WWJuIn0%3D

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

So you end up with unpopular presidents like W Bush and tRump, how did that work out for you?

mongo Loc: TEXAS

So far so good, unlike the criminals you support!

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Hey we got enough of your own.

kohler

Trump, October 12, 2016 in Sean Hannity interview
“I would rather have a popular vote. “

Trump, November 13, 2016, on “60 Minutes”
“ I would rather see it, where you went with simple votes. You know, you get 100 million votes, and somebody else gets 90 million votes, and you win. There’s a reason for doing this. Because it brings all the states into play.”

In 2012, the night Romney lost, Trump tweeted.
"The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. . . . The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."

In 1969, The U.S. House of Representatives voted for a national popular vote by a 338–70 margin.

Recent and past presidential candidates who supported direct election of the President in the form of a constitutional amendment, before the National Popular Vote bill was introduced: George H.W. Bush (R-TX-1969), Bob Dole (R-KS-1969), Gerald Ford (R-MI-1969), Richard Nixon (R-CA-1969),

Recent and past presidential candidates with a public record of support, before November 2016, for the National Popular Vote bill that would guarantee the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate with the most national popular votes: Bob Barr (Libertarian- GA), U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R–GA), Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO), and Senator Fred Thompson (R–TN),

Newt Gingrich summarized his support for the National Popular Vote bill by saying: “No one should become president of the United States without speaking to the needs and hopes of Americans in all 50 states. … America would be better served with a presidential election process that treated citizens across the country equally. The National Popular Vote bill accomplishes this in a manner consistent with the Constitution and with our fundamental democratic principles.”

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Sean Hannity

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I would say about as well as Clinton and Obama did for you. I was happy to see Bush stand up to the Muslims and sure as hell not happy to see Obama backing down from them and importing as many of them as he could.

I have always (from 1950 to now) been against the change to popular election of the President and I think you could see why at the last election. How many illegal aliens was it that voted in that one?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

What criminals?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

I don't know how many voted for tRump, do you?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

How many times have I had to read this post by you and on how many threads? I am getting tired of it and know that none of those people thought National Popular Vote would be the way.

You like these words but they are purely senseless. The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." Senseless because they have nothing to do with a democracy. The Founders didn't want to take a chance on "mob rule" and that is just what we would have now if those illegal alien votes could have determined the winner in 2016. Also, the Founders knew that in their day of so slow transportation and nearly no media that rule would have taken place.

So you can know, these words you like so well are purely words of stupidity. Only liberals and other stupid people could think that these words are anything more than a method of keeping Electoral College as an institution and switching to popular vote. Recent and past presidential candidates with a public record of support, before November 2016, for the National Popular Vote bill that would guarantee the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate with the most national popular votes Read those words, for once, and then explain how they aren't purely what I just said.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I would say that about 80% for Hillary would be pretty close and the others for anybody but Trump.

kohler

Your documented verifiable proof of any, "illegal alien votes?"

Now, the Electoral College would not prevent a candidate winning in states with 270 electoral votes from being elected President of the United States

Now 48 states have winner-take-all state laws for awarding electoral votes.
2 award one electoral vote to the winner of each congressional district, and two electoral votes statewide.
Neither method is mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.

The electors are and will be dedicated party activist supporters of the winning party’s candidate who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable rubberstamped votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges.

The current system does not provide some kind of check on the "mobs."

National Popular Vote is a nonpartisan coalition of legislators, scholars, constitutionalists and grassroots volunteers committed to preserving the Electoral College, while guaranteeing the presidency to the candidate who earns the most votes among all fifty states.

The bill would take effect when enacted by states with a majority of the electoral votes—270 of 538.
All of the presidential electors from the enacting states will be supporters of the presidential candidate receiving the most popular votes among all 50 states (and DC)—thereby guaranteeing that candidate with an Electoral College majority.

Newt Gingrich summarized his support for the National Popular Vote bill by saying: “No one should become president of the United States without speaking to the needs and hopes of Americans in all 50 states. … America would be better served with a presidential election process that treated citizens across the country equally. The National Popular Vote bill accomplishes this in a manner consistent with the Constitution and with our fundamental democratic principles.”

The bill was approved in 2016 by a unanimous bipartisan House committee vote in both Georgia (16 electoral votes) and Missouri (10).

In 2016 the Arizona House of Representatives passed the bill 40-16-4.
Two-thirds of the Republicans and two-thirds of the Democrats in the Arizona House of Representatives sponsored the bill.
In January 2016, two-thirds of the Arizona Senate sponsored the bill.

In 2014, the Oklahoma Senate passed the bill by a 28–18 margin.

On March 25, 2014 in the New York Senate, Republicans supported the bill 27-2; Republicans endorsed by the Conservative Party by 26-2; The Conservative Party of New York endorsed the bill.
In the New York Assembly, Republicans supported the bill 21–18; Republicans endorsed by the Conservative party supported the bill 18–16.

The National Advisory Board of National Popular Vote includes former Congressmen John Anderson (R–Illinois and later independent presidential candidate), John Buchanan (R–Alabama), Tom Campbell (R–California),and former Senators David Durenberger (R–Minnesota), and Jake Garn (R–Utah).

Supporters of the National Popular Vote bill include former Senator Fred Thompson (R–TN), Governor Jim Edgar (R–IL), Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO), and former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R–GA)

Saul Anuzis, former Chairman of the Michigan Republican Party for five years and a former candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, supports the National Popular Vote plan as the fairest way to make sure every vote matters, and also as a way to help Conservative Republican candidates. This is not a partisan issue and the National Popular Vote plan would not help either party over the other.

The Nebraska GOP State Chairman, Mark Fahleson.

Michael Long, chairman of the Conservative Party of New York State

Rich Bolen, a Constitutional scholar, attorney at law, and Republican Party Chairman for Lexington County, South Carolina, wrote:"A Conservative Case for National Popular Vote: Why I support a state-based plan to reform the Electoral College."

Laura Brod who served in the Minnesota House of Representatives from 2003 to 2010 and was the ranking Republican member of the Tax Committee. She was the Minnesota Public Sector Chair for ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) and active in the Council of State Governments.

James Brulte the California Republican Party chairman, who served as Republican Leader of the California State Assembly from 1992 to 1996, California State Senator from 1996 to 2004, and Senate Republican leader from 2000 to 2004.

Ray Haynes who served as the National Chairman of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) in 2000. He served in the California State Senate from 1994 to 2002 and was elected to the Assembly in 1992 and 2002

Dean Murray was a member of the New York State Assembly. He was a Tea Party organizer before being elected to the Assembly as a Republican, Conservative Party member in February 2010. He was described by Fox News as the first Tea Party candidate elected to office in the United States.

Thomas L. Pearce who served as a Michigan State Representative from 2005–2010 and was appointed Dean of the Republican Caucus. He has led several faith-based initiatives in Lansing.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Thank you

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

old roy kohler gotcha.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I believe he has done just that if you are a left leaner. You are one of those, aren't you?

Quite a bit of that crap is just that, crap.

Is there a chance that what this video shows proves what kind of people voted for Obama in large numbers in 2008? I think there surely is and what kohler and you want isn't much different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I