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Transgenders in the Military – Who Decides: Congress, the President, or Federal Judges?
Nov 7, 2017 20:09:28   #
ProudTiger Loc: Tennessee
 
Ref: https://constitution.com/transgenders-military-decides-congress-president-federal-judges/

A very interesting post relative to the inclusion or denial of transgenders in the US Military. Please read for yourself the post contained in the reference link above.

As a former Commanding Officer of multiple units within the US Navy, I can tell you first-hand how disruptive male homosexuals are when mixed into a unit of heterosexual men. I can only imagine that transgenders would have the same or worse effects on the readiness of military combat units. Women in the military are a related but separate issue but I think they have the same or a worse deleterious effect on the readiness of combat units as do homosexuals and transgenders. Thank God I retired before women or transgenders became members of combatant units. Back then it was "Don't ask don't tell" for male homosexuals -- that worked pretty well. Women and transgenders in the US Military were still below the horizon of reality. When a homosexual was identified for any reason on my ship he was promptly off the ship in a matter of days -- permanently.

The US Military is not a medium for social experimentation regardless what Barack Obama and the Progressive Liberals think. Let’s MAGA! God Bless America!

--JB

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Nov 7, 2017 20:17:03   #
maryla
 
I agree! Plus, I understand the transgender will need drug assistance the rest of life and it seems they would be weaker and less ready. I th/ink Trump's ruling should be upheld
ProudTiger wrote:
Ref: https://constitution.com/transgenders-military-decides-congress-president-federal-judges/

A very interesting post relative to the inclusion or denial of transgenders in the US Military. Please read for yourself the post contained in the reference link above.

As a former Commanding Officer of multiple units within the US Navy, I can tell you first-hand how disruptive male homosexuals are when mixed into a unit of heterosexual men. I can only imagine that transgenders would have the same or worse effects on the readiness of military combat units. Women in the military are a related but separate issue but I think they have the same or a worse deleterious effect on the readiness of combat units as do homosexuals and transgenders. Thank God I retired before women or transgenders became members of combatant units. Back then it was "Don't ask don't tell" for male homosexuals -- that worked pretty well. Women and transgenders in the US Military were still below the horizon of reality. When a homosexual was identified for any reason on my ship he was promptly off the ship in a matter of days -- permanently.

The US Military is not a medium for social experimentation regardless what Barack Obama and the Progressive Liberals think. Let’s MAGA! God Bless America!

--JB
Ref: https://constitution.com/transgenders-milita... (show quote)

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Nov 7, 2017 20:27:45   #
ProudTiger Loc: Tennessee
 
maryla wrote:
I agree! Plus, I understand the transgender will need drug assistance the rest of life and it seems they would be weaker and less ready. I th/ink Trump's ruling should be upheld


Transgenders, homosexuals and women (God love them and they do have a vital non-combatant role) have been a significant degradation on all military combat ready units -- Most if not all require special support as you mentioned. If the US continues this Social Experiment within our military and more; we can expect to be a third world nation in less than 20 years. God help us!

--JB

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Nov 7, 2017 21:27:01   #
E
 
ProudTiger wrote:
Ref: https://constitution.com/transgenders-military-decides-congress-president-federal-judges/

A very interesting post relative to the inclusion or denial of transgenders in the US Military. Please read for yourself the post contained in the reference link above.

As a former Commanding Officer of multiple units within the US Navy, I can tell you first-hand how disruptive male homosexuals are when mixed into a unit of heterosexual men. I can only imagine that transgenders would have the same or worse effects on the readiness of military combat units. Women in the military are a related but separate issue but I think they have the same or a worse deleterious effect on the readiness of combat units as do homosexuals and transgenders. Thank God I retired before women or transgenders became members of combatant units. Back then it was "Don't ask don't tell" for male homosexuals -- that worked pretty well. Women and transgenders in the US Military were still below the horizon of reality. When a homosexual was identified for any reason on my ship he was promptly off the ship in a matter of days -- permanently.

The US Military is not a medium for social experimentation regardless what Barack Obama and the Progressive Liberals think. Let’s MAGA! God Bless America!

--JB
Ref: https://constitution.com/transgenders-milita... (show quote)


A wussie leftist Federal Judge, probably appointed by a president who was known to frequent homosexual circles in his youth and early Chicago days, will declare that transgenders, going both ways, will be allowed in all capacities of the military, until the Supreme Court tells him to shove it up his appropriate aperture.

But, as the Constitution states, this is a matter for Congress and the President to handle and direct our military matters. Proud Tiger, you are right in your last statement. The United States Military is not there for social experimentation. The military is a weapon for the Generals and Admirals to direct in time of war and the smooth integrated preparation thereof. It must act as a machine with finely tuned parts. As it is, personalities can and have caused friction and inefficiencies and danger without deliberately installing areas of friction because some one or group thinks they have a right to be in the military. This is not a right. It is not in the bill of rights. It is the right of the Commander and Chief to pick the best men he can find to run the military as best as possible. It is for them to pick the best teams to accomplish the Commander and Chief's directives.

Look who tried to allow transgenders and homosexuals and women in the military in every capacity. A man who never served himself and would do better organizing a group grope in a bathhouse. And the the one who installed 'Don't ask don't tell' also never served and used deferments and never saw a woman he didn't want to abuse and use while serving in political office and before, whether they wanted to or not, whether they were cute or not. Just so they weren't his wife. And so many who want them in the military are the same ones who are all to happy to point out that the current President got deferments from the draft, while conveniently forgeting that the last president and B. Clinton also didn't serve. And they want to introduce this dynamic into the barracks, showers, battlefield, ships etc. You are just introducing the various elements those two presidents failed at all to often.

In the early days of Israel they had everyone serve. They found that there were more casualties in mixed units on the battlefield because the enemy would rather fight to the death then surrender to a woman. While it is always nice to rescue a fellow soldier in battle, sometimes it is just to dangerous and good sense prevents this. But put a woman out there and men will risk their lives beyond reason to rescue them, even if it endangered the whole unit. These are dynamics that are real and exist and you can't train away. Also, the women might be able to eventually pass the physical requirements of some situations. It is a waste of training time that would be better spent on men more likely to pass those tests and be able to maintain that level over time. It is simple facts. And those men will blend better on the field of battle. Throw in one homosexual man and they might leave him on the field of battle rather then save him. Why risk your life for someone you wouldn't want to share a fox hole with.

This also introduces the dynamic of sexual harassment and false accusations. Again, something that keeps the dynamics of the group from flowing in a fluid manner for the betterment of all, the unit, and the mission. It has already happened.

And what about sex occurring because it is available between willing people who find themselves alone. Does this weaken the unit? Yes. Like two people at an outpost together. It doesn't even have to get to full out sex. Just little flirtations and goofing off can cause the lose of a mission or outpost or lives.

Do women have a position in the military that is useful? Here comes the hate. Secretaries, limited supply units no where near combat, Nurses. Oh yes. Nurses. Nothing helps get a man over his injuries like a compassionate female nurse. It just works. They are also useful in working with female prisoners. Homosexuals? Can't think of any benefit. Transgenders. No way. Even more divisive then homosexuals.

To sum it up, always go for the all hetrosexual fighting force for better efficiency and better chances for victory. The whole purpose. Let those others find a useful place in the civilian world.

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Nov 8, 2017 14:14:43   #
ProudTiger Loc: Tennessee
 
E wrote:
A wussie leftist Federal Judge, probably appointed by a president who was known to frequent homosexual circles in his youth and early Chicago days, will declare that transgenders, going both ways, will be allowed in all capacities of the military, until the Supreme Court tells him to shove it up his appropriate aperture.

But, as the Constitution states, this is a matter for Congress and the President to handle and direct our military matters. Proud Tiger, you are right in your last statement. The United States Military is not there for social experimentation. The military is a weapon for the Generals and Admirals to direct in time of war and the smooth integrated preparation thereof. It must act as a machine with finely tuned parts. As it is, personalities can and have caused friction and inefficiencies and danger without deliberately installing areas of friction because some one or group thinks they have a right to be in the military. This is not a right. It is not in the bill of rights. It is the right of the Commander and Chief to pick the best men he can find to run the military as best as possible. It is for them to pick the best teams to accomplish the Commander and Chief's directives.

Look who tried to allow transgenders and homosexuals and women in the military in every capacity. A man who never served himself and would do better organizing a group grope in a bathhouse. And the the one who installed 'Don't ask don't tell' also never served and used deferments and never saw a woman he didn't want to abuse and use while serving in political office and before, whether they wanted to or not, whether they were cute or not. Just so they weren't his wife. And so many who want them in the military are the same ones who are all to happy to point out that the current President got deferments from the draft, while conveniently forgeting that the last president and B. Clinton also didn't serve. And they want to introduce this dynamic into the barracks, showers, battlefield, ships etc. You are just introducing the various elements those two presidents failed at all to often.

In the early days of Israel they had everyone serve. They found that there were more casualties in mixed units on the battlefield because the enemy would rather fight to the death then surrender to a woman. While it is always nice to rescue a fellow soldier in battle, sometimes it is just to dangerous and good sense prevents this. But put a woman out there and men will risk their lives beyond reason to rescue them, even if it endangered the whole unit. These are dynamics that are real and exist and you can't train away. Also, the women might be able to eventually pass the physical requirements of some situations. It is a waste of training time that would be better spent on men more likely to pass those tests and be able to maintain that level over time. It is simple facts. And those men will blend better on the field of battle. Throw in one homosexual man and they might leave him on the field of battle rather then save him. Why risk your life for someone you wouldn't want to share a fox hole with.

This also introduces the dynamic of sexual harassment and false accusations. Again, something that keeps the dynamics of the group from flowing in a fluid manner for the betterment of all, the unit, and the mission. It has already happened.

And what about sex occurring because it is available between willing people who find themselves alone. Does this weaken the unit? Yes. Like two people at an outpost together. It doesn't even have to get to full out sex. Just little flirtations and goofing off can cause the lose of a mission or outpost or lives.

Do women have a position in the military that is useful? Here comes the hate. Secretaries, limited supply units no where near combat, Nurses. Oh yes. Nurses. Nothing helps get a man over his injuries like a compassionate female nurse. It just works. They are also useful in working with female prisoners. Homosexuals? Can't think of any benefit. Transgenders. No way. Even more divisive then homosexuals.

To sum it up, always go for the all hetrosexual fighting force for better efficiency and better chances for victory. The whole purpose. Let those others find a useful place in the civilian world.
A wussie leftist Federal Judge, probably appointed... (show quote)



Absolutely outstanding comments "E" in every respect. It seems that you must have been there and done that as I did for about 30 years. You comments are very accurately "on target" not to mention, civil and well thought out. I know you join with me and thousands of other military professionals in hoping and praying that America gets her military on a straight path again with the objective of winning wars and not social experimentation. If we don't, we will find our selves living in a "third world" country very soon. I strongly believe that Donald Trump is the very last chance of turning our country around and restoring it to the way we have known it all our lives up until LBJ in the '60s and the damage other Liberals have done that followed him.

Thanks for your comments my friend -- I would liked to have served America with you. MAGA and God bless our great country.

--Jack B


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