One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Three-fifths of a person for Negroes is in the Constitution, the Right to bear arms is not
Page <prev 2 of 5 next> last>>
Oct 16, 2017 10:35:51   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rumitoid wrote:
Yes.


No!

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 10:37:40   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rumitoid wrote:
No one said anything about disarming. Reasonable controls is the point.


Progressives are incapable of reason and balance!

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 10:41:08   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rumitoid wrote:
Our enemies are being pushed to the brink of war. Not good.


The domestic enemies are more dangerous and contentious than the foreign enemies. Those would be all who support the Marxist progressive philosophy and agenda, AKA Democrats.

Reply
 
 
Oct 16, 2017 10:51:06   #
Bill P
 
The Taney decision was not against the Constitution and Taney did not rule against the Constitution (which was not on trial).
Taney ruled that under the Constitution negroes did not have certain rights - including 'freedom'. Please get it straight.

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 11:02:33   #
Bill P
 
The Taney decision was not against the Constitution and Taney did not rule against the Constitution (which was not on trial).
Taney ruled that under the Constitution negroes did not have certain rights - including 'freedom'. Please get it straight and correct your posting.
In fact, the 2nd Amendment makes a good argument that private citizens should be allowed to have any level of weapon the Federal government has. But a local citizen having a nuclear bomb would be insane so perhaps consideration should be to define what is a basic 'defensive' weapon and get out of the way of those - the argument then being that the purpose of the 2nd was for citizens to defend from all transgresseres, including the government.

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 12:51:08   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
rumitoid wrote:
SCOTUS made this decision: "a negro, whose ancestors were imported into [the U.S.], and sold as slaves",[2][3] whether enslaved or free, could not be an American citizen and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court,[4][5] and that the federal government had no power to regulate slavery in the federal territories acquired after the creation of the United States. Dred Scott, an enslaved man of "the negro African race"[3] who had been taken by his owners to free states and territories, attempted to sue for his freedom. In a 7–2 decision written by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, the court denied Scott's request. The decision was only the second time that the Supreme Court had ruled an Act of Congress to be unconstitutional.[6]

Are we to rely on the Constitution and Supreme Court for doing what is right? Or a common sense response to what is our daily, present day reality?

The 2nd Amendment was approved in 1791. Its wording is highly controversial. Death by gun violence is not. We have an outdated Amendment. Our weapons are no longer single shot. We have no militia, well-regulated or not (accept for Right Wing domestic terrorist groups). The obstinate refusal to do anything against the frequent assault by guns on our citizens is madness or criminal.
SCOTUS made this decision: "a negro, whose an... (show quote)


Until the constitution is changed, you're bound to obey it. The SCOTUS is charged with deciding how common sense is applied to the constitution, not you. When you become a SC justice you will have one vote.

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 13:03:34   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
rumitoid wrote:
Yes.


If they are laughing at all, they are laughing at every person who wants guns out of the hands to law abiding people here. What better way to remove the threat of the American population's ability to fight against those who are laughing?

It is amazing that anyone thinks that clamping down on law abiding people could have an impact against the criminal sector.

Talk about stinkin thinkin.

Reply
 
 
Oct 16, 2017 13:06:58   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
The 13, 14, and 15 Amendment were ignored by the South for a Century, just FYI. We no longer have a militia, or the need for one. And this non-existent entity of "militia" you name "armed citizens" is not "well trained, self-regulated and disciplined." Your entire argument is absurd from start to finish.

Yet championing the possible "well-regulated militia," that phrase implicitly means rules of control.


Maybe we need a well organized militia, armed.

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 17:08:19   #
Abel
 
rumitoid wrote:
SCOTUS made this decision: "a negro, whose ancestors were imported into [the U.S.], and sold as slaves",[2][3] whether enslaved or free, could not be an American citizen and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court,[4][5] and that the federal government had no power to regulate slavery in the federal territories acquired after the creation of the United States. Dred Scott, an enslaved man of "the negro African race"[3] who had been taken by his owners to free states and territories, attempted to sue for his freedom. In a 7–2 decision written by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, the court denied Scott's request. The decision was only the second time that the Supreme Court had ruled an Act of Congress to be unconstitutional.[6]

Are we to rely on the Constitution and Supreme Court for doing what is right? Or a common sense response to what is our daily, present day reality?

The 2nd Amendment was approved in 1791. Its wording is highly controversial. Death by gun violence is not. We have an outdated Amendment. Our weapons are no longer single shot. We have no militia, well-regulated or not (accept for Right Wing domestic terrorist groups). The obstinate refusal to do anything against the frequent assault by guns on our citizens is madness or criminal.
SCOTUS made this decision: "a negro, whose an... (show quote)

******************************************
Yes, we must rely on the US Supreme Court to determine Constitutionality of various laws, ideas, and opinions here in the USA, and that's their only job. Sometimes they seem to get more than a little disturbed, emotional, and carried away with themselves and begin legislating from the bench, but that's not their job nor is it Constitutional, and that's when "We the People" get punished for not doing our due diligence when electing our so-called leaders and not adequately monitoring their selection and approval of some weak-kneed overly-liberal SC Justice. We then end up having to live with that lackadaisical error until (s)he dies or resigns and the error can be corrected. It is somewhat insane that we continue to repeat this cycle over and over again expecting different results, but that is just socialist democracy (Communism) and an abundance of complacency at work and why such a dangerous word, "democracy," was never allowed by our Founders to appear in the Founding Documents of the USA. Law creation in the USA is the job of the Legislative Branch, not the Judicial Branch, of the government even though they haven't been doing very well at it for several decades now, beginning around the time of our first, but not only, Communist president, Woodrow Wilson.

As for common sense, if it were all that common, you and the other Progressives and RINOs would have some of it.

The Second Amendment is quite clear when it states the "right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." "Arms" is a term that is a bit vague, and can include ANY weapon, modern or ancient, including most common tools. Tools include guns, knives, sling-shots, axes, shovels, hammers, tire-irons, motor vehicles, or even your bare hands, which are all tools that can be, and have been, used as weapons; if these tools happen to be used to assault someone they become "assault weapons." Tools are not the problem since they have no brain, people and their mental attitudes are the problem! None of my tools have ever left their storage area and hurt anyone or anything on their own! So, should we cut off our hands or ban common tools such as guns? I think not.

Preparing for Nuclear and Biological attacks, and stopping the Illegal Migration overrun make better sense, attack these problems instead of our Constitution. Stopping the hemorrhage of money to every upstart country around the world who rattles a sabre to wake up the "sleeping giant" would also help. I really wish President Trump had chosen "USA" instead of "America" for his slogan; 'Make The USA Great Again!' would have been better, IMHO, since there are 34 different "Americas" on these two American Continents, and the USA is just one of them! Only about one-third of all Americans live within the borders of the USA, and most of them don't particularly like us unless we're giving them money.

The USA does have domestic terrorist groups, but you are looking at the wrong wing! And yes, gun violence causes some deaths in the USA, but there are so many other causes of death here in the USA that cause a great many more deaths, violent and otherwise, that it makes gun violence statistically insignificant; try Big Pharma (documented drug pushers), Illegal Drug pushers (undocumented pharmacists), Big Medicine (Cancer with its Radiation, Chemo, Surgery), Motor Vehicles, and the Industrial War Machine (world wide arms suppliers that support and supply both sides of a war they stirred up using religious cults in the first place). Try the Religious cults, they start most of the wars because of their petty differences, encouraged by the war mongers.

Stop trying to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of the worlds greatest document, the US Constitution with it's Bill of Rights, which is honestly quite pointless and ineffective, and work on the real problems, people with mental problems and Progressives with Utopian illusions of grandeur and world domination!

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 17:19:11   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
SCOTUS made this decision: "a negro, whose ancestors were imported into [the U.S.], and sold as slaves",[2][3] whether enslaved or free, could not be an American citizen and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court,[4][5] and that the federal government had no power to regulate slavery in the federal territories acquired after the creation of the United States. Dred Scott, an enslaved man of "the negro African race"[3] who had been taken by his owners to free states and territories, attempted to sue for his freedom. In a 7–2 decision written by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, the court denied Scott's request. The decision was only the second time that the Supreme Court had ruled an Act of Congress to be unconstitutional.[6]

Are we to rely on the Constitution and Supreme Court for doing what is right? Or a common sense response to what is our daily, present day reality?

The 2nd Amendment was approved in 1791. Its wording is highly controversial. Death by gun violence is not. We have an outdated Amendment. Our weapons are no longer single shot. We have no militia, well-regulated or not (accept for Right Wing domestic terrorist groups). The obstinate refusal to do anything against the frequent assault by guns on our citizens is madness or criminal.
SCOTUS made this decision: "a negro, whose an... (show quote)


I promise I will never use any of my firearms to defend you against anyone who is attempting to harm you, whether they have a firearm or not. Happy now?
Why do you Liberals insist that "the people" refers to individuals everywhere else in the Bill of Rights? You have no idea what "well-regulated" meant in 1791; you have no idea what US law says about militias; you have no idea what the Founders who wrote the Amendment said about it. You have no idea about much of anything, come to think of it.

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 17:22:35   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
No one said anything about disarming. Reasonable controls is the point.


One more time; what do you mean by "reasonable controls;" why would they work, and how would you go about implementing them? I have yet to hear a Liberal answer any of these questions.

Reply
 
 
Oct 16, 2017 17:24:00   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Docadhoc wrote:
If they are laughing at all, they are laughing at every person who wants guns out of the hands to law abiding people here. What better way to remove the threat of the American population's ability to fight against those who are laughing?

It is amazing that anyone thinks that clamping down on law abiding people could have an impact against the criminal sector.

Talk about stinkin thinkin.

I have an idea; let's revoke the drivers licenses of all non-drinkers so we can stop drunk driving.

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 17:29:16   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
The 13, 14, and 15 Amendment were ignored by the South for a Century, just FYI. We no longer have a militia, or the need for one. And this non-existent entity of "militia" you name "armed citizens" is not "well trained, self-regulated and disciplined." Your entire argument is absurd from start to finish.

Yet championing the possible "well-regulated militia," that phrase implicitly means rules of control.

You are a liar. We still have a militia. There is still a need for one. Well-regulated had a different meaning in 1791.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 17:41:33   #
Terry Hamblin
 
Yeah, but no. You can add Paco Franco to the list of dictators!

Reply
Oct 16, 2017 18:04:40   #
Big Bass
 
Loki wrote:
I promise I will never use any of my firearms to defend you against anyone who is attempting to harm you, whether they have a firearm or not. Happy now?
Why do you Liberals insist that "the people" refers to individuals everywhere else in the Bill of Rights? You have no idea what "well-regulated" meant in 1791; you have no idea what US law says about militias; you have no idea what the Founders who wrote the Amendment said about it. You have no idea about much of anything, come to think of it.
I promise I will never use any of my firearms to d... (show quote)


No need to waste valuable ammo on an A.H.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 5 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.