That voter ID not so easy after all (Page 4): **************************************** My, oh my, you Democrats do have such a way with words, twisting and massaging them to suit your...

Abel

permafrost wrote:

Easy??? Not in any case for many people.

But the GOP love to push it up the peoples...

Because that’s a damn huge assumption, that’s the problem. Here’s the nasty little secret people who insist state issued voter IDs are so simple to get will never admit to: the voter ID may be free and easy to obtain…if you have the proper documentation to obtain it. This isn’t a non-driver state issued, liquor purchasing, photo ID we’re talking about. This is a totally different critter.

To receive a voter ID, a person must prove they are in fact that voter. This requires OTHER ID. Sometime multiple IDs. Married people, divorced people, adopted people, people who have changed their name for legal or professional reasons, have all reported roadblocks when attempting to acquire a voter ID, because the name on their birth certificate does not match that on their voter registration. Other run into problems obtaining a birth certificate at all. Home births were still a common (albeit declining) situation in America well into the early 1960s, particularly in rural areas. That means a whole swath of people only into their 50s or 60s may not have ever been issued a birth certificate by the town, city, or county clerk’s office of the particular jurisdiction. Add in all the people who haven’t seen a copy of their birth certificate for decades, and may live hundreds or thousands of miles from the hospital or just the town where they were born. Records offices have gotten very tightfisted about sending out certificates of live birth to people who request them online or by phone. Identity fraud is far too easy with an official document. So, if you live in California but were born in Maine, you may have a lengthy trip in your future so the clerk can lay eyes on you and make you sign an official document stating who you are so their asses are legally covered.

Which is a perfect moment to discuss cost. Even if you don’t have to book a costly trip from LA to Bangor, there’s cost involved in obtaining these supporting documents (remember, you still haven’t even BEGUN the process for that oh-so-easy voter ID). A public records office rarely if ever provides services for free. Depending on your town’s budget issues and how bastardly the clerk’s office is about fee structure, an official copy of your birth certificate can run anywhere from a buck or two to 20, even 50 dollars or more. (Official, notarized by the clerk, we’re talking here. That free voter ID, which ironically might be issued by the same clerk, won’t be given to you for just a simple unofficial copy.)

Now let’s talk time. You need to take time to get the supporting docs. Then you need to take time to get the ID. You work at WalMart, Monday to Friday, 9–5. You don’t have personal days, and you can’t afford a sick day. Heck, you’re a retired 80 yr old who can’t drive anymore, your town has no senior shuttle, and you only get out on evenings or weekends when your daughter (who works at WalMart) has time to pick you up. Or you live 1000 miles from your birthplace, and a certified birth certificate requires you to send a notarized request (with copies of supporting ID, no less)… and a check for $100 for the extra service. And it’ll take 6 to 8 weeks. Too bad the election board decided you needed this ID 5 weeks before election day.

By the way, by the transitive power, the charges incurred for the ID to get the voter ID can and should be considered a poll tax, which we supposedly tore down in the era of Jim Crow.

All of these hurdles I’ve presented are based on precedent, actual enfranchised Americans who were kept from acquiring this so called ‘free’ ID obtained through the ‘easy procedure.’ While the process has tripped up people from all corners, it’s easy to see how the system is particularly difficult to navigate for the very poor, which in American translates into a disproportionate number of minority voters, who, along with the poor, are historically known to vote Democratic. Which makes the fact that only Republicans advocate (and loudly) for the need to create voter ID laws, to combat the imaginary crisis of voter fraud, look even more suspicious.

Easy??? Not in any case for many people. br br ... (show quote)

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My, oh my, you Democrats do have such a way with words, twisting and massaging them to suit your agenda. However, I'm a person who believes in this Sovereign Republic, the United States of America (USA), rather than just "America," one of the 34 Americas on our two American continents. There is a great difference between "Made in America" and "Made in USA;" as an example, I have four vehicles, all "Made in America" but only two of them were "Made in USA!" US citizens should know the difference. I am a Natural Born, Constitutional loving, taxpaying citizen of the USA. Taxpaying itself was a Democratic idea, and it still is the principal method of fleecing the sheeple! Nearly all cities that have failed in the USA have been under Democratic (lack of)leadership, which should raise a warning flag to the people. The poor have been voting Democrat for decades, and with the exception of the elites, they are still poor!

I was once a Democrat, and married into a Democrat family, but as I became more educated in the real world of corrupt politics (which comes from "poly" meaning many, and "ticks" meaning blood suckers!) I became a Republican. That lasted only until I discovered that most modern Republicans were just RINOs, Republicans In Name Only, and were little different from the Democrats that followed the Woodrow Wilson regime, and those were Communists. I'm now an Independent conservative, and believe that the Constitution, and the "Right to Vote" are sacred things and they are PRICELESS. If our country is not worth whatever it takes to become a legal citizen who is legally registered to vote with a photo ID to avoid ID theft or misrepresentation, then it is no better than a third-world banana republic and should have remained a colony under the King of England! I believe what you Democrats are striving to do is regress the USA to this status by letting anyone and everyone, legal or illegal, dead or alive, vote, and to Hell with the Constitution.

Most of the reasons you give for some poor soul missing a vote are probably true, in a limited number of cases. However, if you add up all the cases you have listed, and all the people who it applies too, I believe you will find that it will be significantly less than one percent of the population of the USA who would be legally eligible to vote if they could register. That is statistically insignificant. Of course, many of them would vote Democratic, because they are receiving benefits initiated by a Democratic government, when it was in power, and wish to keep them coming, which is why Democrats are so vehemently opposed to a Photo ID voting registration! Allowing the poor, the illegal aliens (migrants, not immigrants), the deceased, and the duplicate Democrat voters increases the Democratic voter base and promotes the Progressives' agenda, along with the New World Order and the United Nations idiotology of a One World (Democratic) Government Utopia of Socialism! No borders, no common language (multilingualism), no more USA culture (multiculturalism), government owning all property, no incentive to improve one's lot in life, a few rebel camps living off the land rather than submitting to your system, and everyone equally poor and sick but high on drugs and happy (except for the ruling elite of course, you know, the bosses under the dictator), similar to Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World." I'm sure you would be elated with all that!

I would like to make it quite clear that I am not taking issue with anyone who is truly poor or disabled and can't help themselves, I will do my best to give a "hand-up" to anyone who is down but trying to get up, but giving a "hand-out" to every lazy bastard in the world is not one of my goals; this includes legal immigrants who have assimilated to our borders, language and culture, thus becoming fine upstanding and even outstanding citizens of the USA. Many people in the USA keep erroneously referring to illegal immigrants instead of illegal migrants who are the actual illegal aliens, but the only illegal immigrants I know of are the Muslims who become citizens but believe they cannot swear allegiance to anything but Allah, which prevents them from swearing allegiance to the USA, so they lie to become a citizen of the USA making themselves illegal. Islam is simply incompatible with US citizenship under those conditions. Again, I'm not a Republican, and although I don't believe fraudulent voting is yet at a crisis level, if we allow the Progressive Communists to continue to promote their agenda of open voting unchecked, the Progressive Democrats will eventually cause it to become a crisis to those of us who care enough for the USA to fight and die for it, and fight we will!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

permafrost wrote:

No end to the way you refuse simple facts.. br b... (show quote)

Supporting illegal votes is an infringement on the rights of honest American voters.

But that's the point, isn't it?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

Supporting illegal votes is an infringement on the rights of honest American voters.

But that's the point, isn't it?

You must be ables brother cain..

Both of you share the same echo chamber..

You can not refute the subject so change to something you both like to talk about..

Only hear the things you wish were true..

So while you both grab each other by the opinion, I will simply let the courts continue to make the decision...

The courts have consistently ruled voter ID laws unconstitutional..

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

permafrost wrote:

You must be ables brother cain..

Both of you share the same echo chamber..

You can not refute the subject so change to something you both like to talk about..

Only hear the things you wish were true..

So while you both grab each other by the opinion, I will simply let the courts continue to make the decision...

The courts have consistently ruled voter ID laws unconstitutional..

Again, you assume as long as Democrats like it then it's a good thing.

The courts are unfortunately places where egoes often change people into self appointed guardians of right and wrong.

The courts have often ruled against the Constitution.

If roles were reversed, I hope I would not sell my soul for partisan gain as you have.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

Again, you assume as long as Democrats like it then it's a good thing.

The courts are unfortunately places where egoes often change people into self appointed guardians of right and wrong.

The courts have often ruled against the Constitution.

If roles were reversed, I hope I would not sell my soul for partisan gain as you have.

I have sold nothing..

We who are real patriots champion the rights of others not only the things that affect ourselves...

when something is not what you want, that does not make it against the Constitution..

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

permafrost wrote:

I have sold nothing..

We who are real patriots champion the rights of others not only the things that affect ourselves...

when something is not what you want, that does not make it against the Constitution..

But I can read it. Several impacting rulings, like Obamacare, Brown v Board, Roe v Wade aren't even close. And I actually do agree with the morality and ethics of the reason behind Brown v Board.

The constitution gave the states the power to hold elections to stop just this type of centralized corruption of the voting process.

A central government that can unilaterally invalidate citizens votes by inserting illegal votes may be your wet dream, but it's an honest man nightmare.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

But I can read it. Several impacting rulings, like Obamacare, Brown v Board, Roe v Wade aren't even close. And I actually do agree with the morality and ethics of the reason behind Brown v Board.

The constitution gave the states the power to hold elections to stop just this type of centralized corruption of the voting process.

A central government that can unilaterally invalidate citizens votes by inserting illegal votes may be your wet dream, but it's an honest man nightmare.

If the voter ID laws were legal they would have passed the test by the law.. They have not..

The court ruling stands. That is the way a lawful nation works..

Now as you keep deflection or trying to do.. if you do not wish to stay on topic..

Start another tread.. Easy to do.. Row vs Wade has not a smidgen to do with Voter ID laws..

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Abel wrote:

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My, oh my, you Democrats do have such a way with words, twisting and massaging them to suit your agenda. However, I'm a person who believes in this Sovereign Republic, the United States of America (USA), rather than just "America," one of the 34 Americas on our two American continents. There is a great difference between "Made in America" and "Made in USA;" as an example, I have four vehicles, all "Made in America" but only two of them were "Made in USA!" US citizens should know the difference. I am a Natural Born, Constitutional loving, taxpaying citizen of the USA. Taxpaying itself was a Democratic idea, and it still is the principal method of fleecing the sheeple! Nearly all cities that have failed in the USA have been under Democratic (lack of)leadership, which should raise a warning flag to the people. The poor have been voting Democrat for decades, and with the exception of the elites, they are still poor!

I was once a Democrat, and married into a Democrat family, but as I became more educated in the real world of corrupt politics (which comes from "poly" meaning many, and "ticks" meaning blood suckers!) I became a Republican. That lasted only until I discovered that most modern Republicans were just RINOs, Republicans In Name Only, and were little different from the Democrats that followed the Woodrow Wilson regime, and those were Communists. I'm now an Independent conservative, and believe that the Constitution, and the "Right to Vote" are sacred things and they are PRICELESS. If our country is not worth whatever it takes to become a legal citizen who is legally registered to vote with a photo ID to avoid ID theft or misrepresentation, then it is no better than a third-world banana republic and should have remained a colony under the King of England! I believe what you Democrats are striving to do is regress the USA to this status by letting anyone and everyone, legal or illegal, dead or alive, vote, and to Hell with the Constitution.

Most of the reasons you give for some poor soul missing a vote are probably true, in a limited number of cases. However, if you add up all the cases you have listed, and all the people who it applies too, I believe you will find that it will be significantly less than one percent of the population of the USA who would be legally eligible to vote if they could register. That is statistically insignificant. Of course, many of them would vote Democratic, because they are receiving benefits initiated by a Democratic government, when it was in power, and wish to keep them coming, which is why Democrats are so vehemently opposed to a Photo ID voting registration! Allowing the poor, the illegal aliens (migrants, not immigrants), the deceased, and the duplicate Democrat voters increases the Democratic voter base and promotes the Progressives' agenda, along with the New World Order and the United Nations idiotology of a One World (Democratic) Government Utopia of Socialism! No borders, no common language (multilingualism), no more USA culture (multiculturalism), government owning all property, no incentive to improve one's lot in life, a few rebel camps living off the land rather than submitting to your system, and everyone equally poor and sick but high on drugs and happy (except for the ruling elite of course, you know, the bosses under the dictator), similar to Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World." I'm sure you would be elated with all that!

I would like to make it quite clear that I am not taking issue with anyone who is truly poor or disabled and can't help themselves, I will do my best to give a "hand-up" to anyone who is down but trying to get up, but giving a "hand-out" to every lazy bastard in the world is not one of my goals; this includes legal immigrants who have assimilated to our borders, language and culture, thus becoming fine upstanding and even outstanding citizens of the USA. Many people in the USA keep erroneously referring to illegal immigrants instead of illegal migrants who are the actual illegal aliens, but the only illegal immigrants I know of are the Muslims who become citizens but believe they cannot swear allegiance to anything but Allah, which prevents them from swearing allegiance to the USA, so they lie to become a citizen of the USA making themselves illegal. Islam is simply incompatible with US citizenship under those conditions. Again, I'm not a Republican, and although I don't believe fraudulent voting is yet at a crisis level, if we allow the Progressive Communists to continue to promote their agenda of open voting unchecked, the Progressive Democrats will eventually cause it to become a crisis to those of us who care enough for the USA to fight and die for it, and fight we will!

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You are born in the USA comes with a birth certificate, you are naturalized you have paperwork.
Both are citizen of the USA.
Show documents and vote.
Stop non US citizens from voting, they have no rights in the USA until they enter legally and become US citizens.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

permafrost wrote:

If the voter ID laws were legal they would have passed the test by the law.. They have not..

The court ruling stands. That is the way a lawful nation works..

Now as you keep deflection or trying to do.. if you do not wish to stay on topic..

Start another tread.. Easy to do.. Row vs Wade has not a smidgen to do with Voter ID laws..

Goodness, boy.. Are you that dense? You brought up the courts and I was giving another example of the courts deviating from the constitution to support the liberal agenda.

The thread is about the false narrative that getting a free ID is somehow a cumbersome burden to 0.0000024% of the population and therefore we have to allow illegal voters to help elect Democrats.

You've failed to make your point, even with your dubious post from an alt-left news source.

ExperienceCounts

Couldn't tell, don't know. Nice enough kid. Polite, well-spoken, neat, clean. Dressed in food service work uniform. I don't know about this but I'll pass one of mom's sayings on...'cause I honestly think that in a time of disaster that I'd take exception to it and I've seen some homeless a time or two, "you can't help being poor, but you can be neat and clean." Guess that was just the folks she knew or our life circumstances. Mom'd just about scrub the hide off if we were dirty, the clothes were clean and neatly patched (even if there weren't that many of them). I know from the cashier side that "food stamps" didn't buy soap, shampoo, toilet paper, etc. So guess what I take when we're taking to a family that needs help? You guessed it, well maybe sort of-- Dawn, All, Baby Wash, razors, paper towels/plates/cups, toothpaste, tooth brushes. Darn it, now I've got to get that child a "friendship basket" with a gift card to Food Lion. Why? Because it'll bother me as a "sin of omission" if I don't.

Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD

ExperienceCounts wrote:

Couldn't tell, don't know. Nice enough kid. Polite... (show quote)

Bless you. Sometimes it seems like I am the only one posting here from the edge of poverty. Yes, IF you are born in a hospital, it is generally reported to the local health department and a birth certificate is issued. There are an awful lot of those who have who appear to assume people who are blessed if they have a pocket can keep hold of pieces of paper when what they really need is a handkerchief!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Quakerwidow wrote:

Bless you. Sometimes it seems like I am the only one posting here from the edge of poverty. Yes, IF you are born in a hospital, it is generally reported to the local health department and a birth certificate is issued. There are an awful lot of those who have who appear to assume people who are blessed if they have a pocket can keep hold of pieces of paper when what they really need is a handkerchief!

After my father died I grew up for time in a single parent home. We were fortunate to have extended family help us.

There was nothing I really needed that I didn't have. Our family accepted used clothing from neighbors and other help. We were very blessed.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

Goodness, boy.. Are you that dense? You brought up the courts and I was giving another example of the courts deviating from the constitution to support the liberal agenda.

The thread is about the false narrative that getting a free ID is somehow a cumbersome burden to 0.0000024% of the population and therefore we have to allow illegal voters to help elect Democrats.

You've failed to make your point, even with your dubious post from an alt-left news source.

No,

This tread is about how that "free" ID card is so hard to get for the targeted group of voters..

The SC has been conservative for about 30 years and is now.. In all probability it will be more so in the near future.

But if they do not find 100% in favor of the things you want then the snit fit will come from you and the normal right wing tantrum when they do not get every little thing they want..

The ideal of America is that all people are given the same rights.

That includes the poor and powerless.

the alt-left does not exist.. ONly the alt-right was created by the hate and lies of trump and his base..

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

permafrost wrote:

No, br br This tread is about how that "free... (show quote)

Hard to get for a "targeted" group of voters?

** DRAMA QUEEN **

You conspiracy nutbags always make me laugh.

Yeah... You caught us. We Republican all sat around one day in a secret meeting and picked out a method of ID cards that are so complicated and expensive the people that manage to get Obamacare, food stamps, Obamaphones, welfare, and housing assistance couldn't figure out and afford them.

Guess what dingleberry. Food is harder for poor people to get. Clothing it's harder for poor people to get. Medical attention is hard for poor people to get. An education is harder for poor people to get.

That's why most working people don't go to work to have less money.

You know the old saying: Money isn't everything, but it beats the hell out of poverty.

I understand that you have to make any excuse possible to justify illegal votes. I get that.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

Hard to get for a "targeted" group of vo... (show quote)

No, you do not seem to get anything.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem??

It is very simple.. The card is not easy for everyone to get. It is meant to keep a group of voter away from the polls.

the courts agree. the voter IDs are not lawful.. End of story..

That is all there is..