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Sep 24, 2017 16:08:30   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Fahrenheit2017 wrote:
Believing someone had to die, so that YOU could get into heaven, shows not only selfishness, but lack of maturity.

You don't have the SLIGHTEST clue about what you're talking about. "For the heart of this people has become dull, With their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes, Otherwise they would see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them." Matthew 13:15

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

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Sep 24, 2017 16:26:00   #
Faye-C
 
Just the opposite. True adherents of Christianity, of which I consider myself one, is based on following Jesus doing things His way.

Matt. 10:38; Matt. 16:24; Matt. 10:38; Luke 9:23.

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Sep 24, 2017 16:41:20   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"I'm all for our youth - those who can think for themselves in spite of parents who condemn them..." - Alicia

Like Berkley?
Like Black Lives Matter?
Like the "burn baby burn" crowd?

So much to respond to, but not taking the time.


Or the pathetic display and embarrassment of women carrying their vagina around their necks Or swearing worse than a man as if that's all they are about.. Gosh dang it they were and are a mother.of complete disgrace!!Can you just imagine their home life???

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Sep 24, 2017 16:51:29   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
TexaCan wrote:
I suppose you have proof that all conservatives that are in your 'locating abilities' are on the take?

Was one of the leaders of the 'era' that you trusted Lyndon B Johnson? I do agree that some of the citizens made their voices heard by voting for the one that was said to 'not have a chance' to win. I pray that our country never comes to the point that we actually go to war with each other, however there comes a time that each of us must defend what we hold dear to our hearts! Some of your younger generation have destroyed city blocks, attacked our police and totally disrupted the lives of many, just because they didn't get their way! When is Enough-Enough?

What exactly is this New Age that we've entered into? I suppose it is more of the Robin Hood theology, take from those who work and give to them that don't? God must not be spoken of in public? No guns owned by any individuals? Is this your New Age?

Who is 'your' useless trash? Could it be anyone that doesn't agree with you and your New Age? Who in the world are all these parents that condemn and don't want their children, just clones?????!!!!!!!

I don't know where you come up with all this DRIVEL, but I'm afraid you're in for a RUDE awakening!!!!! There is a time in the future that the whole world will be under the control of one very evil person, but I don't think it's what you're expecting and I don't plan on being here!!!!!
I suppose you have proof that all conservatives th... (show quote)


Well said!! I hope that time you refer to is some far away time period too!!!

Most here deny any such thing in motion Tex.. They buy into global warning and yet do not buy what they can sit right here watching and expierencing if they just paid attention.. So damn superficial they truly are!!!

I don't plan on being here either when the sh**!hits the fan!! Not at all along with many generations to come..

I truly see this next millennial group lost. Not only lost, not having absolutely any idea what needs to be done. We think we're in trouble now, wait to the next generation moves in to take over.

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Sep 24, 2017 17:22:54   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:
If we are to be judged by the law and only be considered righteous by not breaking the law, NOT ONE OF US will get to heaven! To transgress one part of the law is to break the WHOLE law. Additionally, for a man to look at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart or to for a man to call someone a fool is as good as murdering them. THAT'S why we need Jesus and what He did for us on the cross and not a false prophet like you with a Messiah complex. You are NOT the Messiah you poor misguided woman!
If we are to be judged by the law and only be cons... (show quote)


Out of the seven billion people alive on earth today, 97% will be cut off by fire, spontaneous combustion, on Judgment Day. This will be the morning after the Messiah's trial. Of the 210 million people who escape this, roughly half, or 100 million will live to see the resurrection. Daniel 7:10. All remaining idolaters will be cut off and salvation will come down to belief. Zechariah 14:12. The Book of Life will contain the names of those who love God, who fear God and who have forgiven God, for some bad behavior and things said. Malachi 3:16. I know Christians believe in God and they fear death. It's really not that hard to get into Heaven, all you have to do is repent.

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Sep 24, 2017 18:37:04   #
Nickolai
 
lindajoy wrote:
Love your drawing, papa!! I relate to your words of wisdom too.. Organized religion is to me the false prophet that has turned so many away..





The construct of Christianity did not begin until after the first quarter of the fourth century, and that is why Pope Leo X (d. 1521) called Christ a “fable” and later Pope Paul III expressed similar sentiments, saying that there was no valid document to demonstrate the existence of Christ.  He confessed that Jesus never existed, adding that he was no other than the sun, adored in its Mithraic sect…” It has often been emphasized that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities.

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Sep 24, 2017 18:46:11   #
Nickolai
 
Fahrenheit2017 wrote:
I prefer to take responsibility for my own sins. I am an adult. You are a child, in need of a father, a daddy. Maybe even a Mommy.






Hey man right on the money The needy Christians who find comfort believing in magical beings

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Sep 24, 2017 18:57:11   #
Nickolai
 
out of the woods wrote:
Well good luck with that. More of a man to admit our need in the face of eternity.
My guess is, your young, not yet humbled by your own failures. I'll pray that God humbles you before it is too late. Your welcome.







I'm not young but am old --and humbled by my failures. If given another shot would change many mistakes I've made in my life but am greatful for the things I have accomplished. Time is slipping away for me but I do not fear burning in a lake of fire for eternity. I strive every day to learn something new. My wife has been with me for 64 years on Oct 24 coming up

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Sep 24, 2017 19:13:01   #
JW
 
Nickolai wrote:
The construct of Christianity did not begin until after the first quarter of the fourth century, and that is why Pope Leo X (d. 1521) called Christ a “fable” and later Pope Paul III expressed similar sentiments, saying that there was no valid document to demonstrate the existence of Christ.  He confessed that Jesus never existed, adding that he was no other than the sun, adored in its Mithraic sect…” It has often been emphasized that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities.
The construct of Christianity did not begin until ... (show quote)


Sorry Nicky, you got your facts wrong again. Christianity started before the crucifixion of Jesus. The Catholic Church started when you note but Christianity was well established by then. The new evidence is showing the opposite of what you claim. Ruins of first century churches have been uncovered with Christian symbols inlaid in mosaics in tiled floors.

Here's a brief description of part of early Christianity... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christian

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Sep 24, 2017 19:20:23   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
JW wrote:
Sorry Nicky, you got your facts wrong again. Christianity started before the crucifixion of Jesus. The Catholic Church started when you note but Christianity was well established by then. The new evidence is showing the opposite of what you claim. Ruins of first century churches have been uncovered with Christian symbols inlaid in mosaics in tiled floors.

Here's a brief description of part of early Christianity... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christian
Your post should close the subject. Well done!!

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Sep 24, 2017 19:45:08   #
Abel
 
JW wrote:
As a young man, I was an ardent Christian. At age fourteen, I was leading Sunday evening services in our fundamentalist church, appointed to do so by our pastor and approved by the church board. The Bible was always at my right hand and I could provide a ready verse to answer most any question.

Then one day, I was summoned to the church in the middle of the week. I was pleased to be regarded in such manner that my presence was requested at a special meeting. Beaming with pride, I entered the sanctuary and took a seat as I was directed.

It was only moments before it became clear that my presence there had an ominous tone to it. I had been summoned, not as a valued member of the congregation but as the accused at an inquisition. I had no idea why I was there and no one was explaining anything. I had arrived in time for the sentencing.

I was summarily expelled from the church along with the entire family of a friend. The pastor's parting words to us were that God grants the power to his ministers to pray for the removal of 'thorns in his side'. I was sixteen at that time, a dedicated Christian, and I had just been threatened with Heavenly retribution for a crime I was still ignorant of having committed.

It was several days later when I finally learned of the terrible deeds I had reportedly taken part in.

My friend and another boy, also a friend, had collected several empty liquor bottles and, as a prank had placed them on the parsonage outside front stairs. When the pastor awoke in the morning and found the collection in his doorway, he was furious. He established an investigation, uncovered the part played by my co-ejectee and under pressure to disclose his partner in this crime, my friend named me.

If I was truly innocent, why was I named? Because the actual perpetrator of the crime, the coconspirator in the dastardly deed was the steady boyfriend of the minister's oldest daughter. Had my friend named him, the repercussions on that relationship would have been devastating and he didn't want that responsibility.

I eventually was allowed to rejoin the church but the experience broke my hold on religious devotion. I was then free to consider issues my previous mindset would not allow.

The general behavior of professing Christians, like too many of those posting here, was remarkably un-Christlike. They demonstrated a cavalier disregard for the admonitions of Christ to humility, temperance in all things and service to God and fellow man. They were arrogant, abrasive and discourteous to the point of being ready and willing to cast the first stone and relishing the act with a viciousness that has also become far too common here. Too many of them seem to view Christ's sacrifice as nothing more than a 'get out of Hell free card'. As long as their prayers include a mandatory mea culpa each night, they can continue their selfish and abusive behavior with abandon.

I have abandoned Christianity because it has become a jealous hag where once it was a powerful warrior of the Word. The Shepard's flock is now mostly ravenous wolves in sheep's garb, pretenders whose aim is no longer to serve God and fellow man but to chastise, abuse and belittle. They personify the Pharisee's prayer...

No, not all Christians behave poorly. The church's foundation is still solid but the structure is in serious need of renovation. Meanwhile, I continue to look for substance in this universe but find very little.
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Your story reminds me of an incident in my youth that I have never forgotten. I believe I was in the third or fourth grade when a friend and playmate invited me to attend his church with him because they were having a chicken dinner and thought I would enjoy it. I did, in fact, attend church with him the following Sunday. I listened to the preacher for about an hour and a half, trying not to fall asleep from boredom, and eventually the sermon ended.

The preacher then announced that "I know we promised you a chicken dinner, but all we have left are the bones." He then had the ushers hand out a candy bar called "Chicken Bones" and I departed rather disappointed. The thought came to me that if this preacher would lie about a nonexistent chicken dinner, he would likely lie about most anything else. I still believe he was a liar to this day.

My attitude toward churches and preachers changed markedly that day. As I grew up and later married, my wife was concerned that I didn't attend church, so I related my story to her. She, being a very determined person that came from a staunch Democratic family, began looking for a church that I might consider going to, as she wanted me to take her and our children to church. Well, she found one, and with some apprehension I agreed to take the family there.

The preacher was a younger man, played a nice guitar, sang well, spoke well, was somewhat interesting, and good with children. After a couple of months, I decided to take the family there again, but my wife informed me that the preacher I had seen before was no longer there. I asked what happened to him. She told me he had been fired because he was caught having an affair with the organist. We didn't attend there again, and later on she began taking the children to another church, without me, which was fine since I believed my children should at least be exposed to some form of religion.

As I got older, I rarely attended any organized religious productions, and still believe they are just "shows" to promote money to support the preacher and some of the elders. I was never able to change her politics either, and she remained a Democrat until the day she died. In the beginning I claimed to be a Democrat to appease her side of the family, but as I became more educated I changed to a registered Republican. Further education, two degrees later, and serious thought caused me to become an Independent because of the gross similarity between Democrats and Republicans, and as I learned to follow the money I found that both parties were as crooked as a dogs' hind leg. Having listened to the "Big Boys" tell me that if I voted for Goldwater the USA would go to Hell and take me with it; I balked. I voted for Goldwater! Unfortunately the "Big Boys" were right - - I voted for Goldwater and the USA has been getting worse ever since!

I still believe in a Supreme Being, a split between creation and evolution, and there are now three parties; the Democrats, the Republicans, and the RINOs. RINOs, of course, are simply Democrats who have wormed their way into the Republican Party to weaken it by their Socialist/Progressive obstructionism. Until we rid ourselves of the "Establishment" by draining the swamp, killing the alligators and piranhas, revive the Patriotism and Love of Country, and the limited Constitutional Republic, we are going to continue to fight until we either die or become enslaved by Communism.

As to President Trumps' statement about the unpatriotic BLM type ball player who won't stand up for his country during the playing of the National Anthem, he is correct - - although this putz has a cherished Constitutional right to disrespect the flag of our country, and all who have fought and died for it and his "right" to exercise his freedom of speech regardless of the poorly chosen timing of the event, "the Son-Of-A-Bitch should be fired!" He can do as he damned well pleases on his own time, but not while he is supposed to be representing an "example" to the youth of our country nationwide! I have boycotted National Sports for over 50 years, and this act was just another additional reason to continue to do so! These damned ball players are not gods, they are no better than anyone else, they are excessively pampered and over privileged, and they are grossly overpaid! If their owners and managers allow this type of action to continue, they are no better! Being wealthy is no excuse for their lack of common sense! Go President Trump!!!

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Sep 24, 2017 19:47:29   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well said!! I hope that time you refer to is some far away time period too!!!

Most here deny any such thing in motion Tex.. They buy into global warning and yet do not buy what they can sit right here watching and expierencing if they just paid attention.. So damn superficial they truly are!!!

I don't plan on being here either when the sh**!hits the fan!! Not at all along with many generations to come..

I truly see this next millennial group lost. Not only lost, not having absolutely any idea what needs to be done. We think we're in trouble now, wait to the next generation moves in to take over.
Well said!! I hope that time you refer to is some ... (show quote)


Absolutely!!!!!!

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Sep 24, 2017 19:55:02   #
Nickolai
 
susanblange wrote:
Out of the seven billion people alive on earth today, 97% will be cut off by fire, spontaneous combustion, on Judgment Day. This will be the morning after the Messiah's trial. Of the 210 million people who escape this, roughly half, or 100 million will live to see the resurrection. Daniel 7:10. All remaining idolaters will be cut off and salvation will come down to belief. Zechariah 14:12. The Book of Life will contain the names of those who love God, who fear God and who have forgiven God, for some bad behavior and things said. Malachi 3:16. I know Christians believe in God and they fear death. It's really not that hard to get into Heaven, all you have to do is repent.
Out of the seven billion people alive on earth tod... (show quote)






The oldest Homo Sapiens fossil ever found was 190,000 years old. So we know our species has been on this planet that long having emerged from an earlier bi pedal hominids species. Evidence is that they only lived 25-30 years at the most dying from rotten teeth or terrible disease of one kind or other. Suffering from misery, mal- nutrition, and fear-where does the earthquake's come from? Why is there an eclipse ? Why are the stars shooting ? And awful cults of sacrifice to try and ward off what are in fact natural events. And war and rape and kidnap of other peoples and the enslavement of them. All of this goes on and on century after century gradually inching up to where you can brew beer the big break through. Domesticate animals, separate one kind of corn from another. Minimal progress, struggle pain and above all fear and ignorance and you have to believe this if you believe in monotheism. First the first time 185-90 thousands of this heaven watches this with indifference saying oh- there they go again, that whole civilization just died out--what you going to do? They are raping people again, one tribe thinks the other has poisoned their well so they are going to kill all their children. Then three thousand years ago said no-- we've got to intervene. You have to believe it !! And the revelation must be personal so we'll pick the most backward, the most barbaric, the most illiterate, the most superstitious, most savage people we can find, in the most stony area of the world. We won't appear to the Chinese who can allready read or in the Indus Valley where they know a thing or two, we'll appear to this brutal enslaved superstitious crowed and we'll force them to cut their way through all their neighbors with slaughter, genocide, and racism, and settle the only part of the middle east where there is no oil. If you believe in monotheism you have to believe it in the absence of all evidence on faith alone

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Sep 24, 2017 20:00:14   #
Betta
 
susanblange wrote:
Nobody will die for your sin except yourself. We have to repent of our sin. This is a four step process. Remorse, confession, restitution, and most importantly change. God does not despise a broken and contrite heart. Since we have all sinned, and nobody is perfect, we can only hope in God's mercy. The guilty will not be forgiven. They are those who have committed a deadly sin, and those who refuse to repent. There are seven deadly sins and they are as follows: 1) Any sin against God's person. This includes blasphemy, hatred of God, and ticking him off. 2) Any type of abuse or neglect of a child. 3) Murder. 4) Rape. 5) Kidnapping. 6) Paying or taking a bribe (to do something illegal). 7) False witness or swearing falsely by the name of God. There is a difference between simple lying and false witness. Everybody lies. False witness is always a lie but a lie isn't always false witness.
Nobody will die for your sin except yourself. We h... (show quote)


You, as always, deny what God says and intentionally demonically twist His Word. Christ willingly laid down His life to reconcile us back to God and save us from our sins, believers and non believers alike. You prefer instead to lean unto your own poor understanding and do not accept His gift. Even the vilest offender is forgiven when he confesses his sin to God and repents from it. The ONLY unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

A lie, is a lie, is a lie. Sin is sin no matter the degree. You try to justify a lie depending on its intent. A lie is and always will be FALSE WITNESS. God says do NOT bear false witness. One who denies God's Truths is none of His.

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Sep 24, 2017 20:07:57   #
Abel
 
PeterS wrote:
The problem with Christianity is that there is no requirement to follow Christ to be considered a Christian--one simply has to ask for his forgiveness and you are in. I don't say that because I'm arrogant, I say that because it's true.


In your opinion, of course!

Follow the money and see where it leads; churches are about as plentiful as gasoline stations and banks! Organized religion is simply a means to control masses of sheeple and promote a path to greater wealth for the promoter(s) through strength in numbers. Those religions that think they are the only way to glory, and it's their way or the highway, are likely in for a rude awakening. Logic shows that there can only be one solution to which religion is correct, and nobody, not even you or I, know which one will finally make the cut, if one does. Whenever a few people decide they don't happen to like the way their current religion is going, they splinter into a new religion. Nearly every war throughout history has been fought over someones' disagreement over some religious philosophical difference. I doubt if humankind will ever learn to get along because we just aren't wired that way.

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