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Sep 12, 2017 13:04:36   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
kemmer wrote:
Yeah. Trump really cleaned up healthcare, unlike Obama who was saddled with fixing Bush's catastrophic disasters wherein millions lost their jobs, homes, and savings.


Drama Queen.

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Sep 12, 2017 13:07:03   #
kemmer
 
Super Dave wrote:
Drama Queen.


Were you head of your reform school debating team?

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Sep 12, 2017 23:11:00   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
kemmer wrote:
Were you head of your reform school debating team?


Why do you ask, look familiar to you??

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Sep 12, 2017 23:18:24   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
My point in suggesting the reading in totality instead of just some..All examples of the SCOTUS to uphold our " right and priveldge of voting.."

We did not grant our forming Federalist the right to abrogate our vote and although not specifically granted in the Constitution it is not denied in it either.. Pain staking measures have always been to protect the right of vote, not deny it..

There is not a politician around that would move to strip that right unless they wanted immediate ousting...

Suffice it to say the Twenty-third, Twenty-fourth, and Twenty-sixth amendments gave representation to the District of Columbia, forbid poll taxes, and lowered the voting age to 18, respectively. The passage of each of these Amendments reflected a shift towards making voting a right of all citizens, and indeed a fundamental part of citizenship....

Four of the fifteen post-Civil War constitutional amendments were ratified to extend voting rights to different groups of citizens. These extensions state that voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on the following: "Race, color, or previous condition of servitude"..

Ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution granted American women the right to vote—a right known as woman suffrage...

The US Constitution stated in Amendment XV, which was ratified by the states in 1870: "Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color Etccc..

Let's not forget the Bil of Rights either..
Much has changed since the original writing.. Almost a third of the amendments added to the Constitution after the Bill of Rights was ratified concern the ability to vote...
My point in suggesting the reading in totality ins... (show quote)


You assume what I read and didn't read, I selected a piece I found interesting and pertinent. I read it all and your points address other issues on how we can vote, why we vote, what our vote means, how the government enables us to vote freely, but all these things still do not address my point, which is we as citizens get to choose who represents us in government and that in turn represents everything that a democracy aspires to be. Yet these ideals are NOT reflected in the Constitution by an absolute right to vote.

Instead, state governments can enact their own voting laws which can vary drastically, as they have in the past trying to prevent people from voting and the federal government had to step in and supersede them by creating new amendments.

The will of the people is not a mob rule it is the majority voice.

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Sep 12, 2017 23:30:45   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
You assume what I read and didn't read, I selected a piece I found interesting and pertinent. I read it all and your points address other issues on how we can vote, why we vote, what our vote means, how the government enables us to vote freely, but all these things still do not address my point, which is we as citizens get to choose who represents us in government and that in turn represents everything that a democracy aspires to be. Yet these ideals are NOT reflected in the Constitution by an absolute right to vote.

Instead, state governments can enact their own voting laws which can vary drastically, as they have in the past trying to prevent people from voting and the federal government had to step in and supersede them by creating new amendments.

The will of the people is not a mob rule it is the majority voice.
You assume what I read and didn't read, I selected... (show quote)


We wil agree to disagree.. Your arguements are moot and incorrect.. Be that as it may you certainly have your right to believe anything you want..

Who said the will of the people is a mob other than you right here.??. Although it's nice to see you give concession to the majority voice.. And how is that majority voice heard ??

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Sep 13, 2017 00:39:32   #
kemmer
 
Morgan wrote:
You assume what I read and didn't read, I selected a piece I found interesting and pertinent. I read it all and your points address other issues on how we can vote, why we vote, what our vote means, how the government enables us to vote freely, but all these things still do not address my point, which is we as citizens get to choose who represents us in government and that in turn represents everything that a democracy aspires to be. Yet these ideals are NOT reflected in the Constitution by an absolute right to vote.

Instead, state governments can enact their own voting laws which can vary drastically, as they have in the past trying to prevent people from voting and the federal government had to step in and supersede them by creating new amendments.

The will of the people is not a mob rule it is the majority voice.
You assume what I read and didn't read, I selected... (show quote)


Quite correct.

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Sep 13, 2017 07:21:19   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
kankune wrote:
And you believe Politifact? .....tooooooo funny!.......
No, He Believes A Quip By Corey Booker
Then Posts A Pie Chart (In This Case Same As A Meme)
With The Word 'Lies' On It
So It's No More Valid Than The Article He Posts As A 'Source'
Because Fraud Is Committed At Time Of Registration, Not At The Polls

And The DOJ KNOWS It Too
Hence Holder Threatening Lawsuits On States Reviewing Their Rosters

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Sep 13, 2017 07:31:14   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
karpenter wrote:
No, He Believes A Quip By Corey Booker
Then Posts A Pie Chart (In This Case Same As A Meme)
With The Word 'Lies' On It
So It's No More Valid Than The Article He Posts As A 'Source'
Because Fraud Is Committed At Time Of Registration, Not At The Polls

And The DOJ KNOWS It Too
Hence Holder Threatening Lawsuits On States Reviewing Their Rosters


There is fraud at both ends, but I agree with the sentiment, that registration is where the 'Community Organizers' best commit their fraud.

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Sep 13, 2017 07:38:44   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
You assume what I read and didn't read, I selected a piece I found interesting and pertinent. I read it all and your points address other issues on how we can vote, why we vote, what our vote means, how the government enables us to vote freely, but all these things still do not address my point, which is we as citizens get to choose who represents us in government and that in turn represents everything that a democracy aspires to be. Yet these ideals are NOT reflected in the Constitution by an absolute right to vote.

Instead, state governments can enact their own voting laws which can vary drastically, as they have in the past trying to prevent people from voting and the federal government had to step in and supersede them by creating new amendments.

The will of the people is not a mob rule it is the majority voice.
You assume what I read and didn't read, I selected... (show quote)


If the right to vote was in the Bill of Rights, what good would it do us if it was given the same lack of respect that Democrats and RINOs give the current Bill of Rights?

If the right to vote was equal to the right to the right to petition the government, the right to bear arms, the right to exercise one's religion, the right to due process, and the right of the states and the people to hold all power not specifically given to the feds, what freaking good would that do?

There is no documented rights that can overcome corrupt leaders.

The best way to make rights more available is to limit the power of the only force that can take them away. The government.

How about if we put the right to vote and the right to life both in the constitution. Would you go along with that?

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Sep 13, 2017 07:47:53   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
Super Dave wrote:
'Community Organizers' best commit their fraud.
Or:
'Commit Their Fraud The Best'
Activist Clip-Board Street Registrations

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Sep 13, 2017 08:30:14   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
We wil agree to disagree.. Your arguements are moot and incorrect.. Be that as it may you certainly have your right to believe anything you want..

Who said the will of the people is a mob other than you right here.??. Although it's nice to see you give concession to the majority voice.. And how is that majority voice heard ??



How kind of you...thank you, me being correct or incorrect is a matter of opinion isn't it. If my comment to mob rule is unfamiliar to you, may I suggest some reading back to the time of the creation of electoral college vote and still used as an argument today. The majority voice for our POTUS was and is not being presently heard, and the majority voice didn't win in our last election or in 2000.

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Sep 13, 2017 08:37:28   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
How kind of you...thank you, me being correct or incorrect is a matter of opinion isn't it. If my comment to mob rule is unfamiliar to you, may I suggest some reading back to the time of the creation of electoral college vote and still used as an argument today. The majority voice for our POTUS was and is not being presently heard, and the majority voice didn't win in our last election or in 2000.


Part of the purpose of forming America as a Republic was to insure a diversity of people are empowered, not just the majority.

This is a principal Democrats used to stand for. Now, there is no diversity allowed.

Democrats now have to fall completely in line with socialized medicine, GWA, abortion, gay rights, and now Transgendering, in order to remain a part of the party.

Do you really think this is a healthy change?

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Sep 13, 2017 08:44:46   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
If the right to vote was in the Bill of Rights, what good would it do us if it was given the same lack of respect that Democrats and RINOs give the current Bill of Rights?

If the right to vote was equal to the right to the right to petition the government, the right to bear arms, the right to exercise one's religion, the right to due process, and the right of the states and the people to hold all power not specifically given to the feds, what freaking good would that do?

There is no documented rights that can overcome corrupt leaders.

The best way to make rights more available is to limit the power of the only force that can take them away. The government.

How about if we put the right to vote and the right to life both in the Constitution. Would you go along with that?
If the right to vote was in the Bill of Rights, wh... (show quote)




Looks like I'm more of constitutionist than you are Dave, as I still believe in our Constitution and Bill of Rights and our governing process, which "is" our government. What I see as the problem is not enforcing some of our laws, especially in fraud. When did lying become so acceptable and allowable? If Journalist and representatives had a consequence to lying we wouldn't be in this muck we are in now, which has undermined all the trust of the people and in our own capability to make a good critical judgment/decision on issues and our representatives.

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Sep 13, 2017 08:54:18   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
Looks like I'm more of constitutionist than you are Dave, as I still believe in our Constitution and Bill of Rights and our governing process, which "is" our government. What I see as the problem is not enforcing some of our laws, especially in fraud. When did lying become so acceptable and allowable? If Journalist and representatives had a consequence to lying we wouldn't be in this muck we are in now, which has undermined all the trust of the people and in our own capability to make a good critical judgment/decision on issues and our representatives.
Looks like I'm more of constitutionist than you ar... (show quote)
How can you seriously say that you're more of a constitutionalist than I am?

I've never heard you come out and opposed any of the left's attacks on the Constitution.

Obamacare was an attack on the Constitution. Shame on SCOTUS for allowing with it.

DACA was an attack on the Constitution.

Progressivism is an attack on the Constitution.

The Constitution is conservative. The Constitution is about individual liberties. The Constitution is about limited government.

The entire Bill of Rights is a limit on federal government and empowerment of state governments and individual liberties.

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Sep 13, 2017 09:02:03   #
kemmer
 
Super Dave wrote:
Part of the purpose of forming America as a Republic was to insure a diversity of people are empowered, not just the majority.

This is a principal Democrats used to stand for. Now, there is no diversity allowed.

Democrats now have to fall completely in line with socialized medicine, GWA, abortion, gay rights, and now Transgendering, in order to remain a part of the party.

Do you really think this is a healthy change?


Welcome to the 21st century!

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