acknowledgeurma

lindajoy wrote, "Now they want to imply we are or even have always been a democracy .. They interchange the two to gain momentum of such assinine thinking and spreading the falsehood to change what was intended by the forefathers and what this country was truly founded on...That simple tap, exactly what they are trying to do!!"

[Irony warning] Indeed, how dare they seek to change what the forefathers intended. How dare they seek to expand suffrage to anyone but white male property owners?

acknowledgeurma

lindajoy wrote, "Why do you attempt to convolute the very real facts of this country being a Republic to insert democracy or a democratic society? Why does it offend you that we are a Republic?"

Perhaps because it is reasonable for someone who wants equal voting power given to all people, to want a democracy (where all people have an equal say) rather than a republic (where some people have more say than others).

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Republic Vs Democracy:

Weaver wrote, "This country was founded as a republic instead of a democracy."

Weaver also wrote, "Our founding fathers realized that a pure democracy would be bad because those who receive preferential treatment from the gov. would continue to vote for those who would continue to treat them with partiality."

Mr Bombastic wrote, "And the idiot still thinks we're a democracy. Even after being told, repeatedly, that we are a Constitutional republic."

debeda wrote, "The USA was formed as a constitutional republic."

eagleye13 wrote, "You don't even know this country was formed and designed as a Constitutional Republic in 1787?
We declared out independence in 1776. It to 11 years to complete and ratify our constitution.
Idiots like you want it called a Democracy, and are determined to turn America into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda."

eagleye13 also wrote, "Democracy is mob rule!!!!
Who do you think intends to rule the mob????"

Gener wrote, "Our form of government is more accurately called a Republic. The difference is that while people still elect their representatives, the representatives really make the laws. Often the people disagree, but do little or nothing about it. The danger of a true democracy is just that. Mob rule. And if we look at how uninformed the general population is, and how prone to taking the law into their own hands, one can readily see how dangerous that is. Our founding fathers formed a republic which gave us as much freedom as is realistically possible knowing full well that the general public, was, is, and always will be ill informed."

In another thread, CounterRevolutionary wrote, "James Madison. who penned the Constitution with its attached 1787 Northwest Ordinance, creating all new free states, ending slavery west of the Ohio River, warned the public in the federalist Papers that the tyranny of the mob was equally as dangerous as the tyranny of one despot."
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So what is the message these posters are trying to convey?

The USA constitution (the basis of all USA law) created a republican government. By inversion, republican government is based on the rule of law.
Since we (speaking of citizens of USA) recognize the infinite wisdom of the Founding Fathers, we love our constitution (the rule of law), and the republic it created.
Therefore, republic is good.
Therefore, being republican is good.
Therefore, being Republican is good.

Mob rule is bad.
Since, democracy is mob rule, a democracy is bad.
Therefore, being a democrat is bad.
Therefore, being a Democrat is bad.

I hope this clarifies the message these posters are trying to convey.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

The NWO perps depended on turning America into a Democracy. They came close.

acknowledgeurma

Dang it, I should always remember Poe's Law, and never forget to give Irony warnings. :(

For the record:
I think democracy is good.
I think we should all have equal say in our governments.
I think achieving equal say is exceedingly difficult, but no reason to stop trying.
I think any tyranny is bad, whether by majority or minority or single.
I think a constitution that favors some over others is flawed.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Yes, how dare they.. Now, please define your " they"...

So now we are a nation of citizens wrought in suffrage ?? By whom??

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Yes, well perhaps I am missing your point as we all do have equal voting power with the majority vote the deciding factor??
How would you suggest we do it ??? Everyone votes but nothing decides the vote???

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Yes they did but when they pushed it out of context to the Constitution in their liberal held views of enforcement of the few against the majority they quickly found out it would not be tolerated..

The NWO perps thought they had invested enough time, money and propaganda to swing the bought votes.. Rude awakening it was ... !

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Acknowledgeurma; how is it you and others do not know that the Constitution protects the minorities, from being abused by the majority?
Two wolves, can't vote to have a sheep for dinner.

BTW; The reason for your misunderstanding, is probably your schooling.

Loki Loc: Georgia

There are numerous versions of this adage, attributed to Ben Franklin:
"A Democracy is two wolves and a rabbit voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is two wolves and a rabbit with a gun voting on the same thing."

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"A Democracy is two wolves and a rabbit voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is two wolves and a rabbit with a gun voting on the same thing."

Good one Loki.
Why is it that Democrats can't figure that out?
Liberal schooling?
Poor parenting/lack of guidance?

acknowledgeurma

In my attempted irony, my "they" was the same "they" you used. Following the trail of words to the previous noun that might be the subject "they", we come to "the majority". Even though it seems obvious that the majority would "want to imply we are or even have always been a democracy", I somehow doubt this was your intended "they". The next previous noun is "the progressive left", and I agree that "they" do want us to think we are living in a democracy where all have an equal say in our government, and thereby become closer to one.

lindajoy wrote, "So now we are a nation of citizens wrought in suffrage ?? By whom??"

I'm not sure I understand your question. Could you, please rephrase it?

acknowledgeurma

In the US Federal government we do NOT all have equal voting power. Just look at the Senate. Voters in less populated states have much greater voting power per person. Even in the House, a voter in Montana has more power than a voter in California. For the Presidency, voters in less populated states have much greater voting power per person.

And in some states (maybe most?), gerrymandering gives voters in some districts more power than voters in other districts.

acknowledgeurma

eagleye13 wrote, "BTW; The reason for your misunderstanding, is probably your schooling."

Hmm...you may be on to something, seeing as how all my formal schooling took place in Texas. ;)

The Constitution protects certain rights of ALL citizens, including some minorities (hopefully). People argue over what the protected rights are and whether they extend to all.

acknowledgeurma

To paraphrase:
A Democracy is two wolves and a rabbit voting on what to have for dinner.
A Republic is two wolves and a rabbit (with a gun) voting on whose hide to skin.

In both cases, what is described is tyranny. In any system, unless both wolves and rabbits agree, that none be eaten and none be skinned, only tyranny will result.