G1ReconBravo Loc: Sonoran Desert

Oh come on man! You're making me gag. This reads like a transcript straight from AM Joy or Democracy! or any of the bullshit MSM. If I believed a word of any of the manufactured "facts" they/you offer I would probably be zombiecucked and should hope that someone who knows and loves me would put me out of my misery. Burn the body. Its a terrible disease.
And I'd say there's enough there to warrant a lot of hourmorous dialogue from a lot of people and I would hope to see some.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

oui oui mon cher ami~~~

S. Maturin

Smoothest sarcasm- 'she knows nothing'- we've seen for some time.

DeVos is just not ignorant enough, stupid enough, to warrant approval from the true anti-American progressives among us.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

Kemmer doesn't have the intelligence to find links for his so called proofs because there are none.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

The only reason you are tired of debating is because you can't show any proof to your accusations and innuendo's which I believe are false. It seems that you are the one full of it.

cold iron Loc: White House

As a totally unqualified jerk you can not statements in regard to DeVos. She has more intellect in her toes then all your body. sic

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Nor is she an incompetent or a progressive leftist who wants to dumb down our children marking them wards of government slavery!!!

Thank You as well, S..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

S. Maturin

Nailed it.

G1ReconBravo Loc: Sonoran Desert

I am always happy to talk. I don't hate people. I hate certain ideologies. And I put more thought into breathing than most libs put into their ideology. They put more emotion into flipping a light switch than I do writing a love letter. I'm really trying to prevent this conflict of ideology from going hot. It shows all the signs.

S. Maturin

All the 'heat' seems to be coming from one side-- the side that shows up with masked faces, helmets, and pepper spray, clubs, fire, the normal brownshirt stuff.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"ll the 'heat' seems to be coming from one side-- the side that shows up with masked faces, helmets, and pepper spray, clubs, fire, the normal brownshirt stuff."

Yep; they be hiding for a reason.

S. Maturin

Cowards with a bloody agenda, I'm thinking.

straightUp Loc: California

As I said earlier, I've had a busy schedule this week but I managed to find some time to respond...


So when I say "the people on the alt-right are racists" You come back at me with "you're over generalizing... Not all Trump supports are alt-right"... You wanna think that one over? Hint: I didn't say all Trump supporters are racists, I said those on the alt-right are racists.


Is that supposed to be surprising?


And you're banking on your false premise.


LOL - I just pointed out a glaring failure in your reading comprehension and then I read this... LOL. You're good for a laugh G1.


Because the conversation I was having with Emily was about the people who support him. Remember, you were the one that jumped into the middle of the conversation and that's fine but if you're going to do that at least have the decency to understand it's context... or does this fall under the scope of your insufficient reading comprehension?


I hope so.


Maybe YOU haven't but I have...
Maybe YOU'RE the one that's overgeneralizing here by assuming that I am talking to about the right in general rather than the alt-right that I actually said I'm talking about. I know lot's of conservatives who are decent people but I'm not talking about them... they aren't alt-right. I even know some conservatives that voted for Trump because they didn't think they had any choice, but I've noticed they don't rush to his defense with the same ferocity that I see on the alt-right. So, we could be talking about different people altogether.

Or, it's possible that you aren't quite understanding what I was saying about the conflicts in their mindset, where they try to hide their true feelings. I mean I just got done explaining that and you come back with "I for one have never met ANYONE on the right who feels that way." Well, they're not going to admit to something they're trying to hide G1.


It comes from observation... and logical deduction (for instance, the strong reactions without logical explanation).
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-112099



OK, now you're just bullshitting.


I don't talk shit about people's mothers so I'm just going to skip this one.


Yes I would and why not?


None of that changes what I said. I wasn't actually referring to Christianity as a problem. The problem I was referring to specifically, is the internal conflict between Christian upbringing and right-wing bigotry that compels a so-called "Christian" bigot to fabricate excuses for his behavior.



That seems like a superficial splitting of hairs. I was brought up by conservative Christian parents and I remember that golden rule... "Treat other's as you would treat yourself" That's not about self-absorption, it's about how you treat others. "Love all as you would your brother" is essentially the same message.


Who are you to say I can't?


If you remember, I was responding to Emily. I wasn't trying to win the hearts and minds of anyone on the right. When I DO try to win the hearts and minds of people on the right, I limit my efforts to the moderate conservatives that I have more in common with. I've been doing this for 30 years... In that time I've learned that the more extreme right (or the "alt-right" as we are calling them now) is entrenched. It wouldn't matter how convincing, careful or fact-laden my argument is they will refuse it based on it's source. I'm a liberal so it's a lie. I know this about the extremists both on the right AND the left. As far as I am concerned the true divide between political culture isn't between left and right... it's between the moderates that discuss and the extremists that scream.


Then you don't understand what liberty is. First of all, it's not a proper noun, so you don't capitalize it. Secondly, it's relative. You SAY the Trump supporters love freedom because you're only referring to freedom related to yourself and your kind... You don't think about the freedoms that Trump is obstructing, such as the freedom for a dreamer to become an American. I'm sorry but you're going to have to come up with a miracle argument to convince me that liberty is the center of the "Tootsie Pop" for a political faction supporting mass incarceration, wars on drugs, prohibition of a woman's right to choose, travel bans, prohibition of gay marriage etc, etc...


So instead of presenting an actual argument, statistics, evidence, examples... LOGIC... all you have is what appears to be a baseless but emotionally driven opinion. All your tough talk about how you're going to "dissect this fools brain" and this is all you got?



It's a matter of degree, G1... Yes, we can say that the police state has existed for at least 30 years... probably much, much longer than that. But it's extent varies. I don't think you will find many Americans that will say our police state is as extensive as what the Soviet Union had for instance. The U.S. population has the largest ratio of prisoners per capita in the world... Not even China, not even North Korea comes close to that ratio. And we are a developed nation... what does that tell you?

The PTB know that America is in decline and they know that despite the promises made by populists like Trump, there isn't much any government can really do about it, so long as private industry continues to trade on the global market. As we decline, people will become more frustrated, more desperate and possibly more violent. So for them, the PTB, or what I call the plutocracy, the police state becomes increasingly important. Yes, I think Obama did contribute to some extent, but not like Bush did when he signed the U.S.A. PATRIOT Act. There is NOTHING more significant in the building of a police state than an open designation that can be assigned to anyone and used to remove said person entirely from the justice system provisioned in the U.S. Constitution. If you rolled up ALL of Obama's contributions to the police state and said $5... The U.S.A. PATRIOT Act alone would be $500. And I'm not forgetting the fact that Obama put limits on the militarization of the police or that Sessions removed those limitations.

Don't just sit there suggesting that liberals and/or Democrats are as responsible for the police state as the Republicans are. I know better. I've been studying this crap since the 80's. Come back when you have something more than just your personal feelings.



Did you forget the 70,000 civilians he killed in Cambodia? ...the reason why Nixon is the ONLY U.S. president who's name appears on the genocide lists? Ordering the around the clock carpet bombing of the farmlands so that no one in the country can eat is pretty fucking bad if you ask me. But let's see how fast you can detract from that by mentioning the horrible things Pot Pol did, as if his actions somehow erase the sins of what Nixon did. LOL, Like I said, I've been arguing with right-wingers for a long, long time. Half the time, I already know what their responses will be before they even make them.


What chance does he need?


Yeah, no shit Sherlock... But that doesn't mean it can't get more extreme. When you have a Attorney General, known for being a racist, promoting the militarization of the law enforcement while telling them to make more use of civil forfeiture, there is NO WAY in HELL anyone can NOT see the escalation of the police state. You are either ignoring this intentionally, or you really are stupid.


I'm glad you wrote this in the end, because I think we do have a common enemy. But I'm not so sure YOU can see it. Let me just say that the entity I am calling our common enemy is neither left, nor right and the whole left/right circus is just that... A circus.

I hope we get a chance to talk about that sometime.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL... I feel sorry for your lover.


Well, you say you "hate certain ideologies" so I'm not sure how you're going to prevent a conflict of ideologies from going hot.

I guess I'm the opposite - I don't hate any ideology. I view them as ideas. How can you hate an idea? I'm more concerned about actions. I think if people focused more on the actions people take, instead of blaming everything on ideology we would have a much clearer idea of what's actually going on. To put this in terms I find most conservatives seem to understand... the fear or loathing of any ideology makes as much sense as the fear or loathing of a gun. I'm sure you realize that guns don't run around shooting people on their own. People are the one's that kill, guns are just the tools they use. I think the same thing can be said about ideologies. It takes a Stalin to really make communism bad, just like it takes a Greenspan to make capitalism bad. Either of those ideologies can be much more beneficial if the actions taken by the implementors aren't malicious.

If you really do value freedom like you say you do, ideologies need to be allowed. Teachers need to be able to teach their students the ideas that are out there so they can make their own informed decisions about what will work for them and people need to judge the actions we take instead of the labels we wear.