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Sep 7, 2017 18:30:49   #
Nickolai
 
Nickolai wrote:
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The current research into the effects of climate change on tropical storms demonstrates not only the virtues and transparency of the scientific method at work, but rebuts the frequent suggestion that scientists fit their findings to a pre-determined agenda in support of climate change. In the case of storm frequency, there is no consensus and reputable scientists have two diametrically opposed theories about increasing frequencies of such events.
The background to these enquiries stems from a simple observation: extra heat in the air or the oceans is a form of energy, and storms are driven by such energy. What we do not know is whether we might see more storms as a result of extra energy or, as other researchers believe, the storms may grow more intense, but the number might actually diminish.
What do the records show? According to the Pew Centre, “Globally, there is an average of about 90 tropical storms a year”. The IPCC AR4 report (2007) says regarding global tropical storms: "There is no clear trend in the annual numbers [i.e. frequency] of tropical cyclones."
But this graph, also from the Pew Centre, shows a 40% increase in North Atlantic tropical storms over the historic maximum of the mid-1950, which at the time was considered extreme:

But while the numbers are not contested, their significance most certainly is. Another study considered how this information was being collected, and research suggested that the increase in reported storms was due to improved monitoring rather than more storms actually taking place.
And to cap it off, two recent peer-reviewed studies completely contradict each other. One paper predicts considerably more storms due to global warming. Another paper suggests the exact opposite – that there will be fewer storms in the future.
What can we conclude from these studies? About hurricane frequency – not much; the jury is out, as they say. About climate change, we can say that these differing approaches are the very stuff of good science, and the science clearly isn’t settled! It is also obvious that researchers are not shying away from refuting associations with climate change, so we can assume they don’t think their funding or salaries are jeopardised by research they believe fails to support the case for AGW. The scientific method is alive and well.
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So far, all we’ve managed is to document here is what we don’t know for sure yet. But we do know there is extra energy in the system now, so could it have any other effects on tropical storms? Here, the science is far less equivocal, and there is a broad consensus that storms are increasing in strength, or severity. This attribute, called the Power Dissipation Index, measures the duration and intensity (wind speed) of storms, and research has found that since the mid-1970s, there has been an increase in the energy of storms.
Recent research has shown that we are experiencing more storms with higher wind speeds, and these storms will be more destructive, last longer and make landfall more frequently than in the past. Because this phenomenon is strongly associated with sea surface temperatures, it is reasonable to suggest a strong probability that the increase in storm intensity and climate change are linked.
Basic rebuttal written by GPWayne

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Sep 7, 2017 19:11:56   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Nickolai wrote:
While most of what Paul Driessen says about the need for Co2 for plant life is true never the less his views are biased He is from Heartland Institute whisn is a propaganda outlet for fossil fuel companies such as ExxonMobil and Koch Brothers who are primary funders for Heartland Institute anything from that outfit is biased. Co2 is necessary for life to exist and life is carbon based. To little and we freeze too much and life roasts. The Temperature on Venus is around 950 degrees F. and the atmosphere on Venus is comprised of green house gasses 90 % of which is Co2
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Is Al Gore yo Daddy?

His Chicken Little impression is getting old
His Chicken Little impression is getting old...

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Sep 7, 2017 19:16:24   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
bdamage wrote:
Is Al Gore yo Daddy?


Awesome, a game of truth..🏊👌👍💪👏👏👏

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Sep 7, 2017 19:20:06   #
son of witless
 
eagleye13 wrote:
We could solve the "CO2 problem"; if Liberals quit breathing.


Sources say that there is a measurable decrease in CO2 levels in America since Donald J. Trump was inaugurated. 97 % of polled scientists agree that the likely cause is the lack of Obama speeches emitting hot air now that he has left office.

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Sep 7, 2017 19:49:44   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Nickolai wrote:
https://skepticalscience.com/pics/NATS_frequency.gif

The current research into the effects of climate change on tropical storms demonstrates not only the virtues and transparency of the scientific method at work, but rebuts the frequent suggestion that scientists fit their findings to a pre-determined agenda in support of climate change. In the case of storm frequency, there is no consensus and reputable scientists have two diametrically opposed theories about increasing frequencies of such events.
The background to these enquiries stems from a simple observation: extra heat in the air or the oceans is a form of energy, and storms are driven by such energy. What we do not know is whether we might see more storms as a result of extra energy or, as other researchers believe, the storms may grow more intense, but the number might actually diminish.
What do the records show? According to the Pew Centre, “Globally, there is an average of about 90 tropical storms a year”. The IPCC AR4 report (2007) says regarding global tropical storms: "There is no clear trend in the annual numbers [i.e. frequency] of tropical cyclones."
But this graph, also from the Pew Centre, shows a 40% increase in North Atlantic tropical storms over the historic maximum of the mid-1950, which at the time was considered extreme:

But while the numbers are not contested, their significance most certainly is. Another study considered how this information was being collected, and research suggested that the increase in reported storms was due to improved monitoring rather than more storms actually taking place.
And to cap it off, two recent peer-reviewed studies completely contradict each other. One paper predicts considerably more storms due to global warming. Another paper suggests the exact opposite – that there will be fewer storms in the future.
What can we conclude from these studies? About hurricane frequency – not much; the jury is out, as they say. About climate change, we can say that these differing approaches are the very stuff of good science, and the science clearly isn’t settled! It is also obvious that researchers are not shying away from refuting associations with climate change, so we can assume they don’t think their funding or salaries are jeopardised by research they believe fails to support the case for AGW. The scientific method is alive and well.
https://skepticalscience.com/pics/NATS_frequency.g... (show quote)
Right after Katrina, "The Climatic Wizards of Smart" specifically said Global Warming would cause more Gulf Coast hurricanes.

They were wrong again.

The GWAs are a lot better at making up what happened in the past than they are at prediction what actually will happen in the future.

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Sep 7, 2017 19:55:27   #
Big Bass
 
byronglimish wrote:
Awesome, a game of truth..🏊👌👍💪👏👏👏

I heard this huge shout from the communists, "What does truth mean???"

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Sep 7, 2017 20:31:41   #
Nickolai
 
son of witless wrote:
Sources say that there is a measurable decrease in CO2 levels in America since Donald J. Trump was inaugurated. 97 % of polled scientists agree that the likely cause is the lack of Obama speeches emitting hot air now that he has left office.







If I have ever see a bag of hot air its Donald Trump he is a gas bag supreme

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Sep 7, 2017 20:33:21   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Is that raw data or "adjusted" data? GWAs have been caught adjusting data and deleting the raw data.

We didn't have any Gulf Hurricanes for 12 years. The GWAs said after Katrina that it was proven settled science that global warming would cause more high catagory Gulf Hurricanes.

Either it wasn't warmer, or the "Lords of Climate Knowledge" were all wrong.

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Sep 7, 2017 20:35:54   #
Nickolai
 
Super Dave wrote:
Right after Katrina, "The Climatic Wizards of Smart" specifically said Global Warming would cause more Gulf Coast hurricanes.

They were wrong again.

The GWAs are a lot better at making up what happened in the past than they are at prediction what actually will happen in the future.






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Hurricane scientist have never seen an image like this. The National Hurricane Center (NHC) had issued advisories on Hurricane Irma (currently located north of the Dominican Republic), Hurricane Jose (700 miles east of the Lesser Antilles), and Hurricane Katia (over the southwestern Gulf of Mexico).
The Atlantic experienced three simultaneous hurricanes in 2010, with Igor, Julia, and Karl all swirling in the basin at the same time. Julia never threatened land, so the NHC didn’t issue a warning for North America. This is the first time that three hurricanes have the potential to make landfall at the same time.

The rising strength and potential impact of the hurricanes in the Atlantic basin has weather experts concerned, as global temperatures continuing to hit record highs. Global warming, which isn’t necessarily causing the formation of hurricanes, is almost certainly magnifying their intensity and potential for destruction.
Climate change is making hurricanes more powerful for longer periods of time. They need the energy from the warm, humid air above tropical oceans to keep up their strength. A hurricane begins as a tropical storm, when winds coming from different directions converge. Warm air rises around the storm’s center and cools, and the moisture condenses to form clouds and rain. Condensation releases latent heat, which powers hurricanes. If the layer of warm water isn’t at least 200 feet deep, a tropical storm could die before gaining hurricane strength.
The potential for destruction is also greater because warmer temperatures mean the air can hold more moisture, so hurricanes produce more rain, causing more floods. Rising sea levels also lead to greater and greater surges after a storm.

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Sep 7, 2017 20:35:56   #
Big Bass
 
Nickolai wrote:
If I have ever see a bag of hot air its Donald Trump he is a gas bag supreme


And you are as substantial as a cow-fart.

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Sep 7, 2017 21:02:04   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Is that raw data or "adjusted" data? GWAs have been caught adjusting data and deleting the raw data.

We didn't have any Gulf Hurricanes for 12 years. The GWAs said after Katrina that it was proven settled science that global warming would cause more high catagory Gulf Hurricanes.

Either it wasn't warmer, or the "Lords of Climate Knowledge" were all wrong.


Ah yes the old "adjusted data", comment in order to discredit any findings at all, all coming from the right propaganda engine. The hurricanes come from Africa whether they split to the Gulf or up the coast is insignificant, that depends on pressure zones(fronts), winds, currents (north Atlantic conveyor) all these things having an impact on steering a hurricane. But you are talking about the weather, which is difficult to predict on a daily level, on the other-hand climate increase is easy to record and track, and with a steady course easy to predict. You didn't read the baseball synopsis from a poster here, it was very well done and easy to understand.

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Sep 7, 2017 21:38:07   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
Ah yes the old "adjusted data", comment in order to discredit any findings at all, all coming from the right propaganda engine. The hurricanes come from Africa whether they split to the Gulf or up the coast is insignificant, that depends on pressure zones(fronts), winds, currents (north Atlantic conveyor) all these things having an impact on steering a hurricane. But you are talking about the weather, which is difficult to predict on a daily level, on the other-hand climate increase is easy to record and track, and with a steady course easy to predict. You didn't read the baseball synopsis from a poster here, it was very well done and easy to understand.
Ah yes the old "adjusted data", comment ... (show quote)

You deflected the question about altered data. It's an important question if accuracy matters.

Here's 3 more questions that are important regarding this data and conclusions:

1. How much did the temperature rise per year before alleged MMGW?
2. How much did the temperature rise per year after alleged MMGW?
3. What was the margin of error in these studies?

One reason you know these questions are important it's because all the global warming alarmists failed to mention them.

Think about it.

Of all the times you hear these alarmist holler about how hot the planet is getting how often do they tell you exactly how much hotter is getting? How often do they tell you the margin of error on the studies they're basing conclusions on?

You know the Ice Age ended a long time before the SUVs were made. The planet has been getting warmer ever since then.

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Sep 7, 2017 21:43:51   #
son of witless
 
Nickolai wrote:
If I have ever see a bag of hot air its Donald Trump he is a gas bag supreme


You mean like " If you like your doctor and you like your health care plan you can keep them ." Wait wait you mean that wasn't Trump. Uhhhhh never mind.



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Sep 7, 2017 22:12:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
""The President of Finland says to Trump, if we lose the tundra the human race is finished. ""

I'd like to know how losing the tundra will cause the extinction of the human race. LOL!

Look, most scientists will admit that the climate is changing for the warmer although a few still don't think so. What is becoming more and more accepted is that increased CO2 levels is not contributing to the warming. I've looked at so much data regarding climate change and the one thing which keeps popping up , or I should say the two things that keep popping up are:

1. In all of the core samples predating us by hundreds of thousands of years, there have been many warming a cooling periods and many rises and falls in CO2 levels but, the rises in CO2 are always subsequent to the temperature rises, not preceding it. In other words rises in CO2 levels is caused by warming, not the reverse. Just as medicine is now, for the most part, admitting that increased cholesterol levels is subsequent to heart disease and not the cause, CO2 is not the cause of global warming. One might note that as the number of fires increases so too does the number of firemen, but we know that firemen tend not to cause fires.

2. The green house effect of CO2 is being over estimated. Bring down that estimate in the computer models and there is NO global warming. And it is ONLY computer models which predict global warming based upon CO2 levels. One could postulate that CO2 is having "some" effect on climate, but it is minuscule.

Certainly there is not enough evidence of anything pointing to the extinction of man or supportive enough of man's contributions to over turn economies.
""The President of Finland says to Trump... (show quote)


Hello nwtk...

Rather precise in your explanation, as well as the examples you use to orchestrate your collusion..

Ironically, my sister who is a Nurse Practitioner just sent me an article from the medical journal studies suggesting the very same about cholesteral levels before and after a heart attack..

Likewise your computer model association of what results are measured by and by what percentage is the common sense of the truth or fabrication of the supposed dangers of CO2.. That minuscule percentage is absolutely correct....

Always nice to see you..

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Sep 7, 2017 22:16:59   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lindajoy wrote:
Hello nwtk...

Rather precise in your explanation, as well as the examples you use to orchestrate your collusion..

Ironically, my sister who is a Nurse Practitioner just sent me an article from the medical journal studies suggesting the very same about cholesteral levels before and after a heart attack..

Likewise your computer model association of what results are measured by and by what percentage is the common sense of the truth or fabrication of the supposed dangers of CO2.. That minuscule percentage is absolutely correct....

Always nice to see you..
Hello nwtk... br br Rather precise in your expla... (show quote)

I couldn't have said it better and I couldn't have been better looking when I said it

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