Conservatives claim America founded on God, history says. .... (Page 3): How can they use "separation of church and state " to ban prayer, yet the founders and framers prayed in...

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Mr Bombastic wrote:

When someone mentions separation of church and state, what they really want is to ban Christians from everything and everyplace. In fact, most of them wouldn't mind if the practice of throwing us to the lions was revived. Many of them would even cheer.

How can they use "separation of church and state " to ban prayer, yet the founders and framers prayed in public, before each session in Congress and the Senate.
Only a brain dead idiot could , but then I believe they know the truth and play stupid because of their own rejection of God.

Mr Bombastic

jack sequim wa wrote:

How can they use "separation of church and state " to ban prayer, yet the founders and framers prayed in public, before each session in Congress and the Senate.
Only a brain dead idiot could , but then I believe they know the truth and play stupid because of their own rejection of God.

Such people follow the devil, the author of confusion. Is it any wonder they are f'ed up?

Rainrider Loc: Lovington NM

jack sequim wa wrote:

Your a liar and thief of truth. br br Only you an... (show quote)

Sad when one uses any part of the Constitution so wrongly. The 1st Amendment does not remove religion from government. It simply prohibits government from passing any laws that may restrict religious freedom.

Rainrider Loc: Lovington NM

jack sequim wa wrote:

False and you known it's lie!
I have proven it to you before, and as soon as proof was posted, you fleed. And on other occasions when proven, you pull the leftist lying move of simply ignoring the evidence, then later in time when the same or similar topic is posted, you repeat the behavior.

You are dishonest and a filthy liar.

Topical cowardly behavior.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Mr Bombastic wrote:

Still stuck on stupid, Rayfag? No surprise. There are no official documents that mention separation of Church and State. It's not in the Constitution. It's not anywhere except the diseased, America-hating minds like yours. Still sucks to be you.

So you are calling Reagan a liar!

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Then why cannot children pray in public schools!

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/06/25/today-marks-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-prayer-ban-in-public-schools-heres-the-history/

Rainrider wrote:

Sad when one uses any part of the Constitution so wrongly. The 1st Amendment does not remove religion from government. It simply prohibits government from passing any laws that may restrict religious freedom.

Mr Bombastic

Raylan Wolfe wrote:

So you are calling Reagan a liar!

No. I'm simply stating that you do not possess the wit to understand what he said. And regardless of what he said, it's not in the Constitution.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

jack sequim wa wrote:

Your a sorry excuse of a human. Amazing that I hit... (show quote)

Wolfe is terrified of the truth about our founding fathers and the fact that their Faith in God and our Savior Jesus Christ was the guiding light in their struggle to establish a new and unique nation. Every time someone brings up this fundamental truth about America's founding, Wolfe gets nervous and launches his meaningless attacks.

Wolfe is a reprobate, an atheist without a moral reference, without virtue, without principles, who cannot comprehend that our founders did not establish a Christian nation, but framed our founding documents upon the Christian principles of love, morality, and free will.

Wolfe cannot process this profound statement: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Wolfe will try anything to deny the truth, even to the point of ignoring context to cherry pick quotes of great men that he thinks support his attack on America.

Wolfe is a hypocrite.

Rainrider Loc: Lovington NM

Raylan Wolfe wrote:

Then why cannot children pray in public schools!

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/06/25/today-marks-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-prayer-ban-in-public-schools-heres-the-history/

Mostly because the church does nothing. The idea of a law being passed the forbids it, is and always will be unconstitutional.
Before you ask, Yes I did file suit on that grounds. That is why in some schools, pray is and will remain excepted.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Rainrider wrote:

Sad when one uses any part of the Constitution so wrongly. The 1st Amendment does not remove religion from government. It simply prohibits government from passing any laws that may restrict religious freedom.

Cults will take the simplest scripture , of few words and twist it to fit their doctrine. They completely ignore cross reference of other scripture and when called on the carpet will use the lie of "Scripture is subject to interpretation " and even re-write having their own version keeping their members in the dark from the truth.
Doesn't this sound like liberals, history, and the intention of our founder's? Liberals will take a simple sentence and twist it into a pretzel like nobody else can "to fit their agenda (doctrine )", ignoring supporting documents (scripture )" such as recorded speeches, and/or letters written by the founders. They even re-write history (over the last generation) in literature and text books to advance their agenda (doctrine ) keeping their followers (political party) in the dark to the truth.

The definition of a cult is "A group of people's polarized around one man's opinion of the bible.

Leftist /Marxist /Liberal "A group of people's polarized around one man's (Saul Alinsky) opinion of politics.

The same darkness in power, the liar of lies, that leads a cult, is the same darkness that leads the left.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Raylan Wolfe wrote:

Then why cannot children pray in public schools!

Who says they can't? It may come as a shock to you, but Supreme Court’s 1963 school-prayer decision didn’t ban school prayer

The Bible and public schools

In early American public schools, one of the first things children were taught was reading. Why? So they could read the BIBLE.

It is a shame that you received a secular brainwashing, Wolfe. You missed out on an extraordinary education.

In the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries, it was common practice for public schools to open with an oral prayer or Bible reading.

An important yet little known fact about public school education in our country is that the primary purpose for establishing schools in America was to teach everyone to be able to read and understand the Holy Bible. Our first college, Harvard, in its original rules charged “every student” “to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning.” and that “Every one shall so exercise himselfe in reading the Scriptures twice a day,”(A History of Harvard University, Benjamin Peirce, 1833, Appendix, p. 5). In fact, of the first one-hundred and eight colleges in America, one-hundred and six were founded by and for the Christian faith. “In founding Harvard, Yale, and other American colleges, the propagation of Christianity as a leading purpose of higher, as well as of popular education, was avowed by their founders, and by all provisions and grants of government.”

The following books were used extensively in America's public schools throughout the United States. These books contained numerous scriptures from the Holy Bible and many references to God, Jesus Christ, sin and salvation. These public school textbooks plainly show that generation after generation of American children were educated in Biblical morals and the Christian religion was at the foundation of their learning. Other early school books with Biblical Christian contents were also used in America from the 1600's well into the 1900's, a period of more than 300 years. Read these early public school textbooks and you will have a better understanding of why the America of today is so morally corrupt compared to the America of the first Christian European settlers of the 1600's (settlers who's Christian beliefs influenced America's education system for nearly 300 years).

Dilworth's Spelling-Book, 1796

The New Instructor, 1803

Beauties Of The Bible, 1806

The American Spelling Book, 1809

The American Preceptor, 1811

The New-York Reader, 1815

The American Spelling Book, 1816

The Columbian Orator, 1816

Instructions for the Better Government & Organization of Common Schools, 1819

A New Guide To The English Tongue, 1820

The North American Spelling-Book, 1821

The American Spelling Book, 1822

The Universal Preceptor, 1822

The American First Class Book, 1823

The Only Sure Guide To The English Tongue, 1823

The Critical Pronouncing Spelling Book, 1825

The English Reader, 1825

The National Reader, 1828

The Young Scholar's Manual, 1830

The Western Spelling Book, 1831

History of the United States, 1832

A History of the United States, 1833

The United States Spelling Book, 1835

The Elementary Spelling Book, 1842

Cobb's New Spelling Book, 1842

The School Reader, 1842

The American Common-School Reader, 1844

The Child's History of The United States, 1849

The Elementary Spelling Book, 1857

The National Spelling-Book, 1858

Right of the Bible in Our Public Schools, 1859

The Second Reader of The School and Family, 1860

The Little Orator, Or, Primary School Speaker, 1865

The Bible in Schools, 1870

National Elementary Speller, 1870

A Common-School Grammar of The English Language, 1871

Bible Readings For Schools, 1897

The Elementary Spelling Book, 1908

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Blade_Runner wrote:

Wolfe is terrified of the truth about our founding... (show quote)

I believe most Christians understate the "power" of demonic Supernatural power. That which has a deep stronghold on leftist liberals. Some can argue that if it be by God or by Satan , that one supernatural power has blinded liberals from the ability to see the truth.
I would say it is by their rejection of God (God knows when a person rejects him, will never change) it is by this, God supernaturally blinds them from truth.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Blade_Runner wrote:

Who says they can't? It may come as a shock to you, but Supreme Court’s 1963 school-prayer decision didn’t ban school prayer

The Bible and public schools

In early American public schools, one of the first things children were taught was reading. Why? So they could read the BIBLE.

It is a shame that you received a secular brainwashing, Wolfe. You missed out on an extraordinary education.

In the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries, it was common practice for public schools to open with an oral prayer or Bible reading.

An important yet little known fact about public school education in our country is that the primary purpose for establishing schools in America was to teach everyone to be able to read and understand the Holy Bible. Our first college, Harvard, in its original rules charged “every student” “to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning.” and that “Every one shall so exercise himselfe in reading the Scriptures twice a day,”(A History of Harvard University, Benjamin Peirce, 1833, Appendix, p. 5). In fact, of the first one-hundred and eight colleges in America, one-hundred and six were founded by and for the Christian faith. “In founding Harvard, Yale, and other American colleges, the propagation of Christianity as a leading purpose of higher, as well as of popular education, was avowed by their founders, and by all provisions and grants of government.”

The following books were used extensively in America's public schools throughout the United States. These books contained numerous scriptures from the Holy Bible and many references to God, Jesus Christ, sin and salvation. These public school textbooks plainly show that generation after generation of American children were educated in Biblical morals and the Christian religion was at the foundation of their learning. Other early school books with Biblical Christian contents were also used in America from the 1600's well into the 1900's, a period of more than 300 years. Read these early public school textbooks and you will have a better understanding of why the America of today is so morally corrupt compared to the America of the first Christian European settlers of the 1600's (settlers who's Christian beliefs influenced America's education system for nearly 300 years).

Dilworth's Spelling-Book, 1796

The New Instructor, 1803

Beauties Of The Bible, 1806

The American Spelling Book, 1809

The American Preceptor, 1811

The New-York Reader, 1815

The American Spelling Book, 1816

The Columbian Orator, 1816

Instructions for the Better Government & Organization of Common Schools, 1819

A New Guide To The English Tongue, 1820

The North American Spelling-Book, 1821

The American Spelling Book, 1822

The Universal Preceptor, 1822

The American First Class Book, 1823

The Only Sure Guide To The English Tongue, 1823

The Critical Pronouncing Spelling Book, 1825

The English Reader, 1825

The National Reader, 1828

The Young Scholar's Manual, 1830

The Western Spelling Book, 1831

History of the United States, 1832

A History of the United States, 1833

The United States Spelling Book, 1835

The Elementary Spelling Book, 1842

Cobb's New Spelling Book, 1842

The School Reader, 1842

The American Common-School Reader, 1844

The Child's History of The United States, 1849

The Elementary Spelling Book, 1857

The National Spelling-Book, 1858

Right of the Bible in Our Public Schools, 1859

The Second Reader of The School and Family, 1860

The Little Orator, Or, Primary School Speaker, 1865

The Bible in Schools, 1870

National Elementary Speller, 1870

A Common-School Grammar of The English Language, 1871

Bible Readings For Schools, 1897

The Elementary Spelling Book, 1908

Who says they can't? It may come as a shock to you... (show quote)

Bravo, what excellent reference. I'll be borrowing your post in the future. Thanks for that....
There are also direct evidence that the first text book in our very first schools was in fact the Holy Bible.

Rylan will be on another post, just as this one, ignoring the evidence and posting the same out of context quotes.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Mr Bombastic wrote:

No. I'm simply stating that you do not possess the wit to understand what he said. And regardless of what he said, it's not in the Constitution.

He said "Church and state are and must remain separate." Per the US Constitution

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

jack sequim wa wrote:

I believe most Christians understate the "power" of demonic Supernatural power. That which has a deep stronghold on leftist liberals. Some can argue that if it be by God or by Satan , that one supernatural power has blinded liberals from the ability to see the truth.
I would say it is by their rejection of God (God knows when a person rejects him, will never change) it is by this, God supernaturally blinds them from truth.