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Feb 1, 2014 13:59:26   #
szalman60
 
Exactly,,,, corporate profits,,,, corporations as a matter of their charter are beholden to profits,,,,, and what is a corporation,,,, An entity without a soul,,,,, good luck with your religious conscience

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Feb 1, 2014 14:02:18   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
The Dutchman wrote:
BJ & emarine, Yoouse guys both are so right, the bureaucratic morons and the commie unions don't think that the person that works hard and invests a lot of money is entitled to a profit. & the epa crap & union demands have gotten way out of hand.......


Have you taken a close look at the profit levels of corporations lately.

Just how do you justify the wealth gap getting wider while all of the things you are stating that are so bad for corporations

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Feb 1, 2014 14:03:27   #
szalman60
 
fact remains ,,, this recession is a direct result of Bushys spending money like a drunkin sailor policies, the bubble burst in 06,, stimulis started in 08 under his watch not Obamas,,,, like I said facts are facts

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Feb 1, 2014 14:06:16   #
The Dutchman
 
bahmer wrote:
In IL when I started working for a living I could quit a jab at ten in the morning and by the afternoon I had another job and was ready to go to work the following day. When I retired you could look for months and not find work. The politicians and the unions both have driven most of the industry out of IL and into either other states or other countries. The politicians and their free trade agreements along with unions and their closed shops have driven businesses away from IL and into the arms of other states and countries who want them. Its sort of like marriage really and that is if you constantly take advantage of your wife and never reward her you will probably see her some other day in another mans arms wnd you will wonder what happened.
In IL when I started working for a living I could ... (show quote)


I have a brother that manages a manufacturing and machine tool company in a major metro area in the mid West and just can't find any younger workers that have the basic skills to even try training.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:12:58   #
bahmer
 
The Dutchman wrote:
I have a brother that manages a manufacturing and machine tool company in a major metro area in the mid West and just can't find any younger workers that have the basic skills to even try training.


Very few want to "lower" themselves to work on machines as they all want to be high paid executives or so they think. Most of them can't stand the work in the office because it is dull and boring and they don't teach our kids in school anymore about being proud of your work and job no matter what. A good machinist is worth his weight in gold to a good company. I know a lot of the machines are NC controlled nowadays but you still need skilled help to program and maintain the machines. These kids could earn a very good living by working on these machines and a lot of these machinists are the ones that come up with new inventions that make the machines that much better and allow them to progress up the ladder of success.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:13:26   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
banjojack wrote:
We have the highest corporate taxes in the world, already. Coupled with mountains of useless, nitpicky regulations that make this a very expensive country to do business in. If I was a corporation, I would move offshore also, to a more business friendly climate. This is not all about cheap foreign labor, it is about a climate in which you are not penalized for every dime of profit you make. Foreign labor has always been cheaper. Corporations managed to stay here and do business until the bureaucracy spawned by the politicians we elected made it prohibitively expensive. Corporations do not answer to you, but to their stockholders.
We have the highest corporate taxes in the world, ... (show quote)



Just where does the money come from to buy the output of corporations. Perhaps it comes from wages paid to workers so that they can buy that which is produced.

If the products are not sold there isn't much profit.

In this country now moving money around creates wealth for the few. Wealth that has no real value. Playing with the money creates bubbles that collapse & the general public is ask to pick up the bill.

The public that pays going in & on the way out.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:36:12   #
The Dutchman
 
bahmer wrote:
Very few want to "lower" themselves to work on machines as they all want to be high paid executives or so they think. Most of them can't stand the work in the office because it is dull and boring and they don't teach our kids in school anymore about being proud of your work and job no matter what. A good machinist is worth his weight in gold to a good company. I know a lot of the machines are NC controlled nowadays but you still need skilled help to program and maintain the machines. These kids could earn a very good living by working on these machines and a lot of these machinists are the ones that come up with new inventions that make the machines that much better and allow them to progress up the ladder of success.
Very few want to "lower" themselves to w... (show quote)


The place my brother is at starts apprentice machinists at $16.00 an hour and they are evaluated every 3 months.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:49:35   #
Hungry Freaks
 
You've obviously never ben to a vo-tech school or, as they call them today, technical education schools. Class after class of kids (and older students) learning welding, pipe-fitting welding, electrics, auto mechanics, airframe and power plant repair (the gold standard of tech ed with 100% job placement year after year) culinary arts, plumbing. And the kids or older students seem to have plenty of healthy work ethic and feel no shame about their career choices. The two the-ed schools I covered regularly had a higher job placement percentage than any college or university. They're damn proud of their choice and don't look back.

Yes, there's no enough emphasis on tech ed. Not everybody wants to, or should go to college. There are some who look down on these kids, but not these kids themselves. They look at someone with a BA, a hundred thousand in college loans and no job-and these tec-ed kids smile.






bahmer wrote:
Very few want to "lower" themselves to work on machines as they all want to be high paid executives or so they think. Most of them can't stand the work in the office because it is dull and boring and they don't teach our kids in school anymore about being proud of your work and job no matter what. A good machinist is worth his weight in gold to a good company. I know a lot of the machines are NC controlled nowadays but you still need skilled help to program and maintain the machines. These kids could earn a very good living by working on these machines and a lot of these machinists are the ones that come up with new inventions that make the machines that much better and allow them to progress up the ladder of success.
Very few want to "lower" themselves to w... (show quote)

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Feb 1, 2014 17:12:21   #
bahmer
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
You've obviously never ben to a vo-tech school or, as they call them today, technical education schools. Class after class of kids (and older students) learning welding, pipe-fitting welding, electrics, auto mechanics, airframe and power plant repair (the gold standard of tech ed with 100% job placement year after year) culinary arts, plumbing. And the kids or older students seem to have plenty of healthy work ethic and feel no shame about their career choices. The two the-ed schools I covered regularly had a higher job placement percentage than any college or university. They're damn proud of their choice and don't look back.

Yes, there's no enough emphasis on tech ed. Not everybody wants to, or should go to college. There are some who look down on these kids, but not these kids themselves. They look at someone with a BA, a hundred thousand in college loans and no job-and these tec-ed kids smile.
You've obviously never ben to a vo-tech school or,... (show quote)


These are the kids that have a good work ethic and aren't afraid of getting their hands dirty. These kids are going to make something for themselves in the future I'm sure of it. Every area that you mentioned and probably some that you didn't are all great areas to go into. Some of the best restaurants around started with a chef having an idea and a certain flair for food that the others didn't have and a certain way of making something. The best Bar-B-Que place in our city is no longer because the chef kept the secret to himself and wouldn't even share it with his brothers. Oh well someone else will come along someday. We just have to get our kids of off the street and teach them a good career where they can make good honest money and not have to fear for there lives like they do in the drug racket.

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Feb 1, 2014 22:09:03   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
emarine wrote:
Rich man makes 1000 dollars a day. Goes off shore to china and now makes 4000 dollars a day...The American worker makes nothing. Income ineqality


if the idiot politician had kept his nose out the factory would still be here and the man would still have his but liberal jealousy and greed wouldn't allow this to happen

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Feb 1, 2014 22:46:36   #
The Dutchman
 
alex wrote:
if the idiot politician had kept his nose out the factory would still be here and the man would still have his but liberal jealousy and greed wouldn't allow this to happen



if the idiotic dumbohcrap politician Eh?
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 1, 2014 22:58:28   #
The Dutchman
 
bahmer wrote:
The best Bar-B-Que place in our city is no longer because the chef kept the secret to himself and wouldn't even share it with his brothers. Oh well someone else will come along someday.


Just FYI, when I was on Recruiting duty there was an old Black Gentleman that made the best Bar-B-Que I had ever run across and when he passed on it went with him also. I had the pleasure of recruiting his grandson who wanted to be a cook into the Navy's Nuclear power program. He was one sharp young man. Anyway I ran across a sauce called "Stubbs" and it is some great stuff. I'm really fond of his "Smokey Mesquite"

http://www.stubbsbbq.com/

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Feb 1, 2014 23:52:00   #
bahmer
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Just FYI, when I was on Recruiting duty there was an old Black Gentleman that made the best Bar-B-Que I had ever run across and when he passed on it went with him also. I had the pleasure of recruiting his grandson who wanted to be a cook into the Navy's Nuclear power program. He was one sharp young man. Anyway I ran across a sauce called "Stubbs" and it is some great stuff. I'm really fond of his "Smokey Mesquite"

http://www.stubbsbbq.com/


Thanks I'll have to try it as soon as the weather warms up here. I don't do bar-b-que in the snow and I sure don't do it at 20 below zero. I guess I'll have to wait until that global warming takes place or it turns to summer here.

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Feb 2, 2014 00:55:39   #
The Dutchman
 
bahmer wrote:
Thanks I'll have to try it as soon as the weather warms up here. I don't do bar-b-que in the snow and I sure don't do it at 20 below zero. I guess I'll have to wait until that global warming takes place or it turns to summer here.



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Feb 2, 2014 07:59:21   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Why not barbecue in the snow? It's warm by the grill.

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