I need answers both left and right to engage.
steve66613 wrote:
Oh for God's sake! Will you please, PLEASE, simply Google the definition of "socialism".
Please don't take offense, but, you clearly don't know what socialism is. (You've been called all kinds of names for "pushing" your skewed sense of socialism.)
I suppose you would like to appear patriotic (to the U.S.A); however, this constitution DOES NOT support any of the tenets of socialism. Thus, people, here on OPP think you're some kind of "whack job".
"Collective" plans to accomplish certain "social" tasks ARE IN NO WAY socialism. "Public services" are not socialism!
Keep this in mind: we (including you) do not ever want to live in a socialistic state. Tens of thousands patriots, over the past 100 years, have fought and died to avoid such a fate for this country. It's offensive for you to continue advocating your warped agenda.
Just sayin'........
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You said, "...constitution DOES NOT support any of the tenets of socialism."
See Art. I, Sec. 8: "Congress shall have power...To establish Post Offices and post Roads".
E wrote:
I started out reading this with an open mind. Didn't look at the poster. Somewhat reasonable post listing opinions and trying to be rational. Then I hit one line that started me into thinking beyond, like who wrote this. That comment was, "Under democratic agenda we feel all people should pay there fair share in order to create a democracy." They never define that amount, but it is never enough as they keep thinking of more things to spend your money on without your consent.
But I read on. "So how did republicans form this perception that all socialism is a bad thing. I have not read one post by a democrat that thinks capitalism is a bad thing. So how did we get divided. It's lies, misinformation all for political gain." Ah. Now we start seeing the partisan attack beginning. It is always the Republicans and never the Democrats. The bull shit is starting.
Now he starts in on the Texas members of Congress. Most voted against the funding for the New Jersey, Sandy, relief bill. The bill was loaded with PORK and that is what they voted against.
Then the quote that got to me was, "you're fat disgusting freak of a president". Now I had to go back and look at who wrote it. Yep, tdsrnest. I should have known. He started out a similar post yesterday. Nice at the start and then his partisan hatred finally comes forward to his usual disgusting level and his partisan bias. Kind of sucking in everyone then hitting them half way through with the bull shit. Pity.
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First I appreciate you're response I can respectfully disagree. With Two issues. First the fact checkers went through the Sandy Disaster relief and found the Cruz statement was a lie then and it's a lie now. It's just not true.
Cruz never was able to justify where this so called pork was.
I have known that man for 35 years he is a disgusting SOB that went bankrupt 11 times and you just can't understand the number of small contractors and hard working men he hurt and put out of business.. you fail to do just some simple research but you would call it fake news but I personnely seen what that man did to people. It's a very simple question and reading you're post you are intellectually sound but I want you to sit back and just think if a building manager or developer goes bankrupt it's because of incompetence in running his business or greed by the principals and it only happens once. In the case of Trump when it happens 11 times it's a scam because the guy is a billionaire. But think about who got hurt. I was in business for 25 years I was a design build high Tech facility integrator. I design and built computer rooms I had 165 employees, I had a great deal of sub contractors that worked for me. I never came close to bankruptcy never mind 11 times. But during the good times I saved for the bad times. I paid my sub contractors I paid my employees I paid my Taxes and what ever was left over that mine.
So due to being out of the Northeast I got to know many contractors that worked for Trump and it's a good thing he had a string of lawyers and his body guard.
To correct you I never said that it's all republicans fault. There just to much lying or misinformation did Cris Cristi or Scott Walker ever tell there people that they used stimulus money to balance there budgets and both got overwhelmingly re-Elected. I can't find a democratic governor that used that stimulus for budget reasons. But they all misinform it's just more at this time by Republicans.
Day in day out Trump justifies his lies and when the MSM brings it up it's fake news. He justifies Russia by saying he did nothing it's a Hoaks created by Clinton, Obama and the democrats because they lost.
But thank you for you're post I can respect you're ideology of conservatism.
acknowledgeurma wrote:
You said, "...constitution DOES NOT support any of the tenets of socialism."
See Art. I, Sec. 8: "Congress shall have power...To establish Post Offices and post Roads".
Again......"collective institutions"....not socialism.
saltwind 78 wrote:
tdsrnest, I'm pretty sure that "socialism" was not in the mind of our founding fathers. The two economic theories that existed in the late eighteenth century were mercantilism and the emerging capitalism. Great Britain had a mercantilist economy, which benefited the mother country at the cost of the colonies. Thats why we declared our independence from the British empire. The emerging capitalism took root in America thanks to hamilton and others.
I do think that capitalism is a great motivator for economic growth. The problem is that in today's capitalism, the capital it creates is so powerful that it benefits the wealthy, at the expense of the workers. The banking crisis of the Bush administration was proof of this.
It is in the enlightened self interest of the capitalists to pay the workers well. That creates demand for products that the workers want and the capitalists produce. The myth of market forces determining prices doesn't always work in todays capitalistic system. Socialism isn't the answer, because it is based on the principal that in a socialistic system, workers will do what is best for the society. Good luck with that.
I think that the answer is capitalism that is carefully regulated to give the workers a share in the wealth produced in our economic system. There has to be a balance between the interests of the capitalists, and the workers. Perhaps a board of workers and capitalists could be created to constantly review the rules and regulations that protect the interests of both these economic classes.
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What an outstanding post but the areas of socialism that I mention is Roads, schools, military etc. There theory was an educated society is a strong society
Mercantilism is an economic theory that trade generates wealth which it does. Mercantilism was more policy driven to maximize the accumulation of gold and silver. When this country exported our goods which was Tobacco, rice grain and meat products Europe would pay for these goods with silver or gold or paper notes issued by European banks that were later exchanged for gold or silver. Actually Europe accounted for 50% of our exports I believe China was second. Sorry getting off point when you mentioned Mercantilism as a form I Government it got me thinking.
But when you say capitalism that is carefully regulated Republicans will call that socialism or Marxism. That we are regulating to much. Sometimes I agree because I believe we have good regulation and bad regulation.
I still think to create a democracy everybody has to to have an avenue to succeed. That's why I am liberal on social issues because we have a nation of poor, middle class, and the wealthy. I don't worry about the wealthy but I do worry about the poor so to brake the string of poverty in a family is to feed there kids and educate those kids. I am a conservative on Fiscal issues I still think our government should be required to create a balanced budget. But it appeared that the best way to pay for war was borrow the money.
Is there a certain amount of fraud within our social programs of course there is. Actually two types of Fraud people who actually what a republican will call the takers but the largest fraud on our social programs such as Medicaid Medicare and food stamps is corporate fraud. So my theory is not to cut these programs, or privatize, or voucherize these programs fix them eliminate the fraud. It's the same thing with the ACA
Educating our society is the main reason why capitalist succeed. Socialism feeds, then educates them, police and fire department protect life and property does capitalist succeed without law and order, this is all government funded.
So I respectfully disagree that I believe socialism and capitalism in some form was on there mind. Mercantilism was a means to generate wealth thru trade. But actual democratic socialism did not come along till years later. Damm you got me thinking I am going to do a little reseach.
Thanks now you really got me thinking.
2bltap
Loc: Move to the Mainland
I'll tell you Weaver, it always gauls me when people refer to our type of government as a DEMOCRACY! It was designed to be a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. The founding fathers new that if this country were to be a democracyit mean that the MOB would rule. Simpley amazing that anyone would refer to this country as a democracy. The Democrats always refer to this country as a democracy. They do this in order to make the citizens of this country think that it is because of FEELINGS thats it.
Semper Fi
Weaver wrote:
This country was founded as a republic instead of a democracy. The difference between the two is each individual state has an election and the results gives the winner electoral votes. This is not like a pure democracy where the popular vote of each state would be combined to a national vote total.
Our founding fathers realized that a pure democracy would be bad because those who receive preferential treatment from the gov. would continue to vote for those who would continue to treat them with partiality. This is happening today in our nation. An true example: a daughter (that I know) bought a house, moved her mother into the house and because did not meet income gov guidelines her daughter applied for gov help for rent and received sufficient help from the tax payers, when her and her husband had sufficient means to do it on their own. There are many I have heard on the news but another in our city: A young lady(white) living with a black man has 2 children along with her mother. She has a low paying job of under 20,000 per year. They are receiving over 40,000 per year in gov help. Question is that helping or creating a class on gov dependents. One white women in the state of PA got on TV about a year ago and stated want she was receiving from the state of PA and the fed. Something over 80,000 per year.Of all the years that I worked, my wife and myself never make that much in one year. But you socialist progressives seem to have no problem with taking my tax money and dolling it out to whom will vote for your party.
Some of us out here are neither dem or Repub. you need to get the book " how to take over America without firing a shot" written in about 1931 by the recently retire leader of the "American Communist party". It was revised in the 1960's. In that revision they stated that the name "Communist" was to devises so they chose the name as "Progressive". Read it and be honest, did your boy Obama follow all the suggestion in the book of how to take control of America without firing a shot.
Trump is not the perfect person we need but he was head and shoulders above our other choice if you really love liberty and freedom.
I personally went though hurricane Carla in 1961. The only help that the fed gave us was to be able to claim our losses on our income tax and a free polio shot. The state sent in some policing help
You evidently want a federalist type government but that is not what our founding fathers set up for America and I do not believe that if you received the gov that you desire, that it would please you.
Jesus stated that His father works and that He works. If they work they I believe that all should work. End of story. ( even the old devil works)
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tdsrnest wrote:
I need to start this topic with a few definitions. I want reasonable responses yes I am going to use certain examples don't get mad just an explanation based on you 're ideology.
Our Founding father put together this government based on a democracy. So a democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It's a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Our founding fathers understood that a total socialistic form of government was not good. There is actually 6 different types of socialism and at times OPP bloggers use some far fetched meaning to call democrats Marxist or communist and that is just not true. So as Democrats believe that our form of socialism is where all people put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not for our own benefit. We are sharing the wealth within Society. Not robbing the rich to give to the poor the favorite right wing talking point. Under democratic agenda we feel all people should pay there fair share in order to create a democracy.
Now let's look at capitalism which Republicans advocate and believe me they are not wrong but 100% capitalism is just as bad as 100% socialism. Capitalism an economic system in which means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned there operations are funded by profits and not controlled by the state. Great all good but not 100%.
So I will use the devastation to attempt to show how Democratic Socialism programs and Republican socialism programs interact with capitalism. And it works.
So the hurricanes hit Texas we had a state government and a federal government built on dem/Rep socialism. We were able to mobilize national guard, we were able to mobilize our military this is funded by the tax payer so it's a form of socialism it's using our resources funded by the tax payers both personal and corporate. Because we don't manufactured these vehicles and equipment needed we use socialism to buy from capitalism. So that means American tax payer transferring our resources to the capitalist for profit corporations that create private sector jobs, support the wealthy highly educated wage earners in order to invest in new businesses through our stock markets. It's a revolving chain of cash that started with private investors a government collecting taxes investing in infrastructure, innovation, creating an educational system through socialism to supply the educated people to work for the capitalist.
Next over 30,000 people displaced funds needed to feed and cloth these people all funded by the tax payers of this country which is socialism. These people will be displaced for months or years. These people worked for businesses that are now destroyed long term unemployment benefits will be needed, our food stamp program will explode again, our Medicaid program will be needed. Home low interest loans will be needed to rebuild all funds created thru socialism it's all tax payer funded that's Rep/Dem socialism it's not Hitler socialism or Mussolini socialism bordering on Marxism which republicans constantly use as a talking point.
I could list all the specific agencies but you can just imagine which agencies.
So without socialism what corporation in this country could even come close to mobilizing what is needed in a very small area of this country that got effected nor would they care.
Every thing going on in Texas right now is 100% funded by republican and democratic socialism. There is no form of any capitalism at this point. All socialism.
Now capitalism will now kick in when the rebuilding process begins capitalism will manufactured all the materials needed and private contractors will build. Creates jobs create profits for the capitalist and more investment into this country.
So to create a democracy how do we accomplish this without both. I am sure if all bloggers democrats and republicans can give great examples of how socialism and capitalism working together to create a democracy.
So how did republicans form this perception that all socialism is a bad thing. I have not read one post by a democrat that thinks capitalism is a bad thing. So how did we get divided. It's lies, misinformation all for political gain.
It's actions and comments by legislators that create a divided country and I don't believe this country has ever been more divided since the civil war. But left and right both blame each other that's why this disaster in Texas is a good example.
Now the lies, misinformation, hypocrites are all there and it's just a matter of looking. We have two Senators from Texas and I believe it's 36 representatives from Texas which is a good example only due in part because of numbers and a disaster to compare. I am using Texas and this hurricane only as an example because of this unfortunate event.
Now during the super storm Sandy that hit NJ both Senators from Texas and 20 out of the 36 legislators voted no to disaster relief. (WHY) in time of need that's when this nation shows there compassion and we rise above politics but not Texas. Oklahoma republicans voted no also. But this is where the line should be drawn I want all Texas bloggers to put the shoe on the other foot and tell this country why we should vote yes to disaster relief for you. It's socialism which you hate, its hypicracy which you have shown with you're vote, you're fat disgusting freak of a president is telling the nation its good this happened in Texas because you can handle it. Could you handle or any other state handle it it without socialist money, could you or any state handle it without the national guard and the military, could you get by without food stamps, unemployment compensation, Medicaid which will kick in will you're governor refuse Medicaid now.
Let's use Texas again only because of the magnitude of disasters on a yearly basis. The Texans hated Obama and I mean hate. But what you're government did not tell you is Obama on a yearly basis approved disaster relief funds on average for his 8 years of $6.5 billion. But yet you hate Obama. This creates a divided country all states are guilty not just Texas. But if you're legislators lie and denigrate the opposition for political gain hate comes to the surface.
Now you hate Obamas stimulus program with lies and misinformation as to how the funds were spent. But let's use Texas again they were running a budget deficit of about $6.9 billion and they had a balance of about $7.8 billion in there emergency fund. Rick Perry was coming up for re-election and he was going to have to justify using Texas emergency funds to balance his budget. But Obama at the time gave Block grants to every state out of the stimulus package between $4 and $9 billion. These funds were to be used to create Shovel ready jobs Texans love using Shovel ready. But Rick Perry took that grantand balanced his budget and never created a job. Then told Texans that the stimulus drsbeme mtsmoid nothing for Texas. It was explained by Obama but the Texans were having none of tof hat from the Black guy. Believe a black guy over lily white Rick Perry.
But Texas was not the only state to pull off this dirty little trick with stimulus money there were 8 others.
But this just the Kind of BS that divides this country so I need feed back not insults as to examples of Rep/Dem socialism and how to stop dividing this countr
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You sound as if all the benevolent that Texas is receiving comes from a socialist gov. Most of the help that they are receiving is coming from individuals, companies, corporations Samaratians purse, Baptist men,Red Cross, City municipalities, counties and churches. See any socialist organization in that list.
Probably the truth be known FEMA probably has not got it's act together yet. Why, the dem and the Repub have sat on their can and never approved the nomination for that department. You want to look at gov not working, look no further than the resistance of the US Senators. Besides, you hate President Trump as much or more than anybody in Texas hated Obama. While I disliked his actions, I prayed for him, his wife and especially his two daughters everyday. So my question to you "have you ever prayed for President Trump".
tdsrnest wrote:
I need to start this topic with a few definitions. I want reasonable responses yes I am going to use certain examples don't get mad just an explanation based on you 're ideology.
Our Founding father put together this government based on a democracy. So a democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It's a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Our founding fathers understood that a total socialistic form of government was not good. There is actually 6 different types of socialism and at times OPP bloggers use some far fetched meaning to call democrats Marxist or communist and that is just not true. So as Democrats believe that our form of socialism is where all people put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not for our own benefit. We are sharing the wealth within Society. Not robbing the rich to give to the poor the favorite right wing talking point. Under democratic agenda we feel all people should pay there fair share in order to create a democracy.
Now let's look at capitalism which Republicans advocate and believe me they are not wrong but 100% capitalism is just as bad as 100% socialism. Capitalism an economic system in which means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned there operations are funded by profits and not controlled by the state. Great all good but not 100%.
So I will use the devastation to attempt to show how Democratic Socialism programs and Republican socialism programs interact with capitalism. And it works.
So the hurricanes hit Texas we had a state government and a federal government built on dem/Rep socialism. We were able to mobilize national guard, we were able to mobilize our military this is funded by the tax payer so it's a form of socialism it's using our resources funded by the tax payers both personal and corporate. Because we don't manufactured these vehicles and equipment needed we use socialism to buy from capitalism. So that means American tax payer transferring our resources to the capitalist for profit corporations that create private sector jobs, support the wealthy highly educated wage earners in order to invest in new businesses through our stock markets. It's a revolving chain of cash that started with private investors a government collecting taxes investing in infrastructure, innovation, creating an educational system through socialism to supply the educated people to work for the capitalist.
Next over 30,000 people displaced funds needed to feed and cloth these people all funded by the tax payers of this country which is socialism. These people will be displaced for months or years. These people worked for businesses that are now destroyed long term unemployment benefits will be needed, our food stamp program will explode again, our Medicaid program will be needed. Home low interest loans will be needed to rebuild all funds created thru socialism it's all tax payer funded that's Rep/Dem socialism it's not Hitler socialism or Mussolini socialism bordering on Marxism which republicans constantly use as a talking point.
I could list all the specific agencies but you can just imagine which agencies.
So without socialism what corporation in this country could even come close to mobilizing what is needed in a very small area of this country that got effected nor would they care.
Every thing going on in Texas right now is 100% funded by republican and democratic socialism. There is no form of any capitalism at this point. All socialism.
Now capitalism will now kick in when the rebuilding process begins capitalism will manufactured all the materials needed and private contractors will build. Creates jobs create profits for the capitalist and more investment into this country.
So to create a democracy how do we accomplish this without both. I am sure if all bloggers democrats and republicans can give great examples of how socialism and capitalism working together to create a democracy.
So how did republicans form this perception that all socialism is a bad thing. I have not read one post by a democrat that thinks capitalism is a bad thing. So how did we get divided. It's lies, misinformation all for political gain.
It's actions and comments by legislators that create a divided country and I don't believe this country has ever been more divided since the civil war. But left and right both blame each other that's why this disaster in Texas is a good example.
Now the lies, misinformation, hypocrites are all there and it's just a matter of looking. We have two Senators from Texas and I believe it's 36 representatives from Texas which is a good example only due in part because of numbers and a disaster to compare. I am using Texas and this hurricane only as an example because of this unfortunate event.
Now during the super storm Sandy that hit NJ both Senators from Texas and 20 out of the 36 legislators voted no to disaster relief. (WHY) in time of need that's when this nation shows there compassion and we rise above politics but not Texas. Oklahoma republicans voted no also. But this is where the line should be drawn I want all Texas bloggers to put the shoe on the other foot and tell this country why we should vote yes to disaster relief for you. It's socialism which you hate, its hypicracy which you have shown with you're vote, you're fat disgusting freak of a president is telling the nation its good this happened in Texas because you can handle it. Could you handle or any other state handle it it without socialist money, could you or any state handle it without the national guard and the military, could you get by without food stamps, unemployment compensation, Medicaid which will kick in will you're governor refuse Medicaid now.
Let's use Texas again only because of the magnitude of disasters on a yearly basis. The Texans hated Obama and I mean hate. But what you're government did not tell you is Obama on a yearly basis approved disaster relief funds on average for his 8 years of $6.5 billion. But yet you hate Obama. This creates a divided country all states are guilty not just Texas. But if you're legislators lie and denigrate the opposition for political gain hate comes to the surface.
Now you hate Obamas stimulus program with lies and misinformation as to how the funds were spent. But let's use Texas again they were running a budget deficit of about $6.9 billion and they had a balance of about $7.8 billion in there emergency fund. Rick Perry was coming up for re-election and he was going to have to justify using Texas emergency funds to balance his budget. But Obama at the time gave Block grants to every state out of the stimulus package between $4 and $9 billion. These funds were to be used to create Shovel ready jobs Texans love using Shovel ready. But Rick Perry took that grant and balanced his budget and never created a job. Then told Texans that the stimulus did nothing for Texas. It was explained by Obama but the Texans were having none of that from the Black guy. Believe a black guy over lily white Rick Perry.
But Texas was not the only state to pull off this dirty little trick with stimulus money there were 8 others.
But this just the Kind of BS that divides this country so I need feed back not insults as to examples of Rep/Dem socialism and how to stop dividing this countr
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Your initial premise is flawed. The USA was formed as a constitutional republic.
Mr Bombastic, In this blessed land, we elect our leaders. This makes us a democratic republic.
Mr Bombastic wrote:
And the idiot still thinks we're a democracy. Even after being told, repeatedly, that we are a Constitutional republic. He just doesn't listen.
saltwind 78 wrote:
Mr Bombastic, In this blessed land, we elect our leaders. This makes us a democratic republic.
So, you want to throw out the Constitution. Got it.
Quakerwidow wrote:
This Democrat thanks you for posting.
"Our Founding father put together this government based on a democracy. So a democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It's a government of the people, by the people and for the people." - Ignoramous Turd
Turd; You started with ignorant BS. I couldn't go any further.
You don't even know this country was formed and designed as a Constitutional Republic in 1787?
We declared out independence in 1776. It to 11 years to complete and radify our constitution.
Idiots like you want it called a Democracy, and are determinned to tutn america into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda.
Wake up!
BTW; you are an example of what our public education educators have been teaching for way too long.
eagleye13 wrote:
"Our Founding father put together this government based on a democracy. So a democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It's a government of the people, by the people and for the people." - Ignoramous Turd
Turd; You started with ignorant BS. I couldn't go any further.
You don't even know this country was formed and designed as a Constitutional Republic in 1787?
We declared out independence in 1776. It to 11 years to complete and radify our constitution.
Idiots like you want it called a Democracy, and are determinned to tutn america into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda.
Wake up!
BTW; you are an example of what our public education educators have been teaching for way too long.
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What???
You wrote, "Idiots like you want it called a Democracy, and are determinned to tutn america into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda."
Could you explain, how giving everyone equal voting power is "Elitist", and giving some more voting power than others, is not "Elitist"?
tdsrnest wrote:
I need to start this topic with a few definitions. I want reasonable responses yes I am going to use certain examples don't get mad just an explanation based on you 're ideology.
Our Founding father put together this government based on a democracy. So a democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It's a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Our founding fathers understood that a total socialistic form of government was not good. There is actually 6 different types of socialism and at times OPP bloggers use some far fetched meaning to call democrats Marxist or communist and that is just not true. So as Democrats believe that our form of socialism is where all people put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not for our own benefit. We are sharing the wealth within Society. Not robbing the rich to give to the poor the favorite right wing talking point. Under democratic agenda we feel all people should pay there fair share in order to create a democracy.
Now let's look at capitalism which Republicans advocate and believe me they are not wrong but 100% capitalism is just as bad as 100% socialism. Capitalism an economic system in which means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned there operations are funded by profits and not controlled by the state. Great all good but not 100%.
So I will use the devastation to attempt to show how Democratic Socialism programs and Republican socialism programs interact with capitalism. And it works.
So the hurricanes hit Texas we had a state government and a federal government built on dem/Rep socialism. We were able to mobilize national guard, we were able to mobilize our military this is funded by the tax payer so it's a form of socialism it's using our resources funded by the tax payers both personal and corporate. Because we don't manufactured these vehicles and equipment needed we use socialism to buy from capitalism. So that means American tax payer transferring our resources to the capitalist for profit corporations that create private sector jobs, support the wealthy highly educated wage earners in order to invest in new businesses through our stock markets. It's a revolving chain of cash that started with private investors a government collecting taxes investing in infrastructure, innovation, creating an educational system through socialism to supply the educated people to work for the capitalist.
Next over 30,000 people displaced funds needed to feed and cloth these people all funded by the tax payers of this country which is socialism. These people will be displaced for months or years. These people worked for businesses that are now destroyed long term unemployment benefits will be needed, our food stamp program will explode again, our Medicaid program will be needed. Home low interest loans will be needed to rebuild all funds created thru socialism it's all tax payer funded that's Rep/Dem socialism it's not Hitler socialism or Mussolini socialism bordering on Marxism which republicans constantly use as a talking point.
I could list all the specific agencies but you can just imagine which agencies.
So without socialism what corporation in this country could even come close to mobilizing what is needed in a very small area of this country that got effected nor would they care.
Every thing going on in Texas right now is 100% funded by republican and democratic socialism. There is no form of any capitalism at this point. All socialism.
Now capitalism will now kick in when the rebuilding process begins capitalism will manufactured all the materials needed and private contractors will build. Creates jobs create profits for the capitalist and more investment into this country.
So to create a democracy how do we accomplish this without both. I am sure if all bloggers democrats and republicans can give great examples of how socialism and capitalism working together to create a democracy.
So how did republicans form this perception that all socialism is a bad thing. I have not read one post by a democrat that thinks capitalism is a bad thing. So how did we get divided. It's lies, misinformation all for political gain.
It's actions and comments by legislators that create a divided country and I don't believe this country has ever been more divided since the civil war. But left and right both blame each other that's why this disaster in Texas is a good example.
Now the lies, misinformation, hypocrites are all there and it's just a matter of looking. We have two Senators from Texas and I believe it's 36 representatives from Texas which is a good example only due in part because of numbers and a disaster to compare. I am using Texas and this hurricane only as an example because of this unfortunate event.
Now during the super storm Sandy that hit NJ both Senators from Texas and 20 out of the 36 legislators voted no to disaster relief. (WHY) in time of need that's when this nation shows there compassion and we rise above politics but not Texas. Oklahoma republicans voted no also. But this is where the line should be drawn I want all Texas bloggers to put the shoe on the other foot and tell this country why we should vote yes to disaster relief for you. It's socialism which you hate, its hypicracy which you have shown with you're vote, you're fat disgusting freak of a president is telling the nation its good this happened in Texas because you can handle it. Could you handle or any other state handle it it without socialist money, could you or any state handle it without the national guard and the military, could you get by without food stamps, unemployment compensation, Medicaid which will kick in will you're governor refuse Medicaid now.
Let's use Texas again only because of the magnitude of disasters on a yearly basis. The Texans hated Obama and I mean hate. But what you're government did not tell you is Obama on a yearly basis approved disaster relief funds on average for his 8 years of $6.5 billion. But yet you hate Obama. This creates a divided country all states are guilty not just Texas. But if you're legislators lie and denigrate the opposition for political gain hate comes to the surface.
Now you hate Obamas stimulus program with lies and misinformation as to how the funds were spent. But let's use Texas again they were running a budget deficit of about $6.9 billion and they had a balance of about $7.8 billion in there emergency fund. Rick Perry was coming up for re-election and he was going to have to justify using Texas emergency funds to balance his budget. But Obama at the time gave Block grants to every state out of the stimulus package between $4 and $9 billion. These funds were to be used to create Shovel ready jobs Texans love using Shovel ready. But Rick Perry took that grant and balanced his budget and never created a job. Then told Texans that the stimulus did nothing for Texas. It was explained by Obama but the Texans were having none of that from the Black guy. Believe a black guy over lily white Rick Perry.
But Texas was not the only state to pull off this dirty little trick with stimulus money there were 8 others.
But this just the Kind of BS that divides this country so I need feed back not insults as to examples of Rep/Dem socialism and how to stop dividing this countr
I need to start this topic with a few definitions.... (
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I think there are a lot of oversimplifications here. In one instance it is said that giving to the people hurt by the disaster is not capitalism. I understand where you are coming from on that. But it is not that simple. It would not be possible for people to give to the charities if it were not for a form of private enterprise, where people can earn enough money to give. (Notice I did not say capitalism, as that is a concept that is not readily definable at means different things to different people).
Our country was not built on Capitalism per se so much as free enterprise. In order for people to have anything to give, there must be free trade. Now I don't mean absolute 100% free trade but as a general rule free trade. At least as far as it is fair to all. Generally speaking socialism refers to a society in which the government takes the earnings of the wage earner and the entrepreneur and redistributes it as it sees fit. It is another thing when people freely and willingly give to those who are in need. The latter is much, much superior because the money does not go through a third party but directly to the people in need. As such it is much, much, less costly to proceed. Also, the recipient gets everything that was intended for him or her. Charity should be on the local level. It is much more efficient, and results in much less possibility of fraud or people 'living off the system."
And here is the rub. Free enterprise is not necessarily exactly the same as capitalism. Capitalism is a term that I don't remember being used so much before the rise of the corporation. When I was young there was a grocery store in every neighborhood. Then when corporations came around they would select areas, greatly reduce pricing, making up the costs in other areas, and thereby drive individual proprietors out of business. Once they had accomplished it they targeted a different area. As such, now, instead of lots of competition we have in many cases only a few large corporations, that while they do compete, they do not compete to nearly the level we had before the corporate takeover. We can see this as a problem.
Socialism, however, works only when it is administered on the local level. And that is more accurately called charity, not socialism. And it is not socialism to give to others in desperate need even if it is done by mandate by a central government. It becomes socialism when the government takes most of what you earn and redistributes it according to what they feel is best. And usually best for the government, not the people. Food stamps may be a mild form of socialism, and if necessary, it is perfectly acceptable. But there is a better way, and that is to allow the local people to determine the need. The local people know who is scamming the situation and who is not. You can call that socialism but it is a very mild form of it. It is not the same as when all wage earners have their wages taken from them and redistributed as the government sees fit.
So there is a little bit of misdefinition here, and superficial labeling. When people are free to make as much money as their talents allow them, they are more likely to be 'willingly' give to those in need.
acknowledgeurma wrote:
What???
You wrote, "Idiots like you want it called a Democracy, and are determined to turn America into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda."
Could you explain, how giving everyone equal voting power is "Elitist", and giving some more voting power than others, is not "Elitist"?
"Could you explain, how giving everyone equal voting power is "Elitist", and giving some more voting power than others, is not "Elitist"?" - acknowledgeurma
I am not going to write a book here.
Plain and simple.
Democracy is mob rule!!!!
Who do you think intends to rule the mob????
The Elitist's/Big Money have been using their owned MSM as a very effective tool.
AGAIN!!!
"Idiots like you want it called a Democracy, and are determined to turn America into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda."
This was not to be turned into a mob ruled Democracy.
As always; follow the Big Money.
eagleye13 wrote:
"Could you explain, how giving everyone equal voting power is "Elitist", and giving some more voting power than others, is not "Elitist"?" - acknowledgeurma
I am not going to write a book here.
Plain and simple.
Democracy is mob rule!!!!
Who do you think intends to rule the mob????
The Elitist's/Big Money have been using their owned MSM as a very effective tool.
AGAIN!!!
"Idiots like you want it called a Democracy, and are determined to turn America into a democracy.
That is the Elitist agenda."
This was not to be turned into a mob ruled Democracy.
As always; follow the Big Money.
"Could you explain, how giving everyone equal... (
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I agree.
Our form of government is more accurately called a Republic. The difference is that while people still elect their representatives, the representatives really make the laws. Often the people disagree, but do little or nothing about it. The danger of a true democracy is just that. Mob rule. And if we look at how uninformed the general population is, and how prone to taking the law into their own hands, one can readily see how dangerous that is. Our founding fathers formed a republic which gave us as much freedom as is realistically possible knowing full well that the general public, was, is, and always will be ill informed. Even after first creating the Republic they soon realized that the people had too much freedom, and made the government a little more centralized taking power away from the states, only as much as was needed though. The people are easily deceived. And the founding fathers were very aware of the very organizations that today people laugh at as conspiracy theory, and that those organizations would always, always, scheme to destroy any true freedom. They are doing that today. One way they do it is by funding both the Neo Nazis and Antifa and watch them fight, hoping to weaken and destroy the nation. This is not conspiracy theory, I am very aware of the existence of these groups. One can look into the writings of Aleister Crowley (possibly not spelled correctly) to get at least a glimpse of how secret societies work. These secret societies were behind the rise of power of Hitler in Nazi Germany. They never stop. If they die they reincarnate and start the same process, as do their children for the most part.
The general public does not know this, even though Woodrow Wilson mentioned it, and it is useless, most of the time, to try to tell them. It is always emotion with the general public, and they are not aware of the consequence of their actions nor how easily they are deceived and manipulated. Therefore we have a Republic and not a true democracy. We have as much freedom as the fathers could safely give us, no more. No one on this planet is truly free.
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