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Aug 20, 2017 13:49:58   #
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straightUp wrote:
I want to take a moment to issue my opinion about the role the Antifa takes in what appears to be a rise in violent confrontations between Americans. I don't personally know anyone who is associated with Antifa and to be honest, I don't know much about the organization, other than the fact that they consider themselves anti-fascist, which I am too but are they really helping the current resistance to fascism?

I have two separate reactions to the recent fuss over Antifa depending on the argument I am responding too.

To those on the right, who seem to jump at the chance to make Antifa the centerpeice of blame or a distraction from the antics of white supremacy groups. I say this... If you're going to promote bigotry and hatred, don't be surprised if you get some backsplash.

To those on the left, who support Antifa, I say this... Chill out.

As frustrating as the current government might be, it is still bound by a functioning framework of laws so it's not too late to leverage that constitutional system. In fact it's this system of laws that has so far stopped every white nationalist aspect of Trump's agenda in it's tracks. What the resistance needs is more emphasis on laws and local politics. A good example of resistance is the ACLU, an organization viciously hated by the right *because* they are so effective. And the ACLU is effective because they focus on our system of laws. Whenever you hear someone on the right saying "the liberals are destroying America", they are almost always describing their frustration (whether they know it or not) over ACLU victories within the context of our constitutional framework.

In contrast, Antifa is totally counterproductive. I *do* understand the frustration young Americans are feeling toward Trump and the white nationalists and the attraction of confronting them. I understand the feeling that you just want to beat the living shit out them. But this is the sentiment we hear being expressed by right-wing extremists about liberals, Jews, blacks and... well anyone who isn't a white nationalist. Do we really want to stoop to the same level? ...it's not a winning strategy.

Noam Chomsky recently described Antifa as a "major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant." Indeed they are because every time we accuse right-wing extremism of violence or intolerance, they have the ability to accuse the left-wing of the same thing and in the tiny minds that seem to gravitate to the extremes, one sin is a good excuse for another. So why give them such an easy pitch?

I'm not saying there will never be a point where violence *IS* the answer and I will admit that Antifa is a nice reminder that plenty of Americans are willing to confront the fascism of the white national movement but I don't think we've reached a point yet where we've run out of better alternatives. I think we need to give the constitutional system a little more faith because so far it's proving to be the better strategy.

Leave the violence to the fascists on the right and let the law handle it. Recognize the self-defeating nature of their violence. Look at Ruby Ridge, Waco and any of their idiot "stand-offs" did they win ANY of them? Look where their violence got them in Charlottesville... They went in with the intention of preserving one statue of Robert E. Lee and because of their violence (specifically, the murder of an American citizen) they came out loosing something like 19 different Confederate monuments throughout the country. That's what you call a backfire.

This is why the alt-right is loosing the America they want, because groups like the ACLU keep winning legal battles in the system, where the less-capable alt-right depends on public outrage to drive the battle which often results in violations of the legal system and guaranteed defeat.

We should try to keep it that way, at least while we still have a functioning constitutional system.
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We are a nation of laws, at least we used to be, and still should be. Antifa recently said they are going to have to resort to arms to stop Neo Nazis. Neo Naziism is certainly an afront to the nation. But it is stupid and futile to attempt to destroy the enemy except as a means to defend liberty. Attacking is vain. We fight to protect and defend the good, not out of hatred and anger. Fighting hatred by using hatred is ludicrous. It will not work. And even if they win their cause, they will not release their own anger. We fight to protect people, not to destroy people. We fight because we love our own, not because we hate the enemy. There is a big difference. So here we have a bunch of haters, fighting haters. How much sense does that make? None, none whatsoever.

You don't think these people have hatred? Look what they did to some of the statues they tore down without waiting for the law to declare they needed to be taken down. People are taking the law into their own hands now days, and it doesn't matter which side they are on. We are headed for civil war, and there are those, those who hate democracy, that are purposely fanning the flames in order to destroy the freedoms we enjoy. This is a fact, and anyone who is aware of the situation now knows this. The sad thing about it is these people are purposely trying to tie anyone with conservative values to Neo Naziism. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is not speculation. And we ARE headed for civil war, unless we get back to principle and law. Which isn't likely.

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Aug 20, 2017 13:50:05   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Randy131 wrote:
Bobby, the "whole truth" is in all the facts, ingested with common sense, and not with prejudice.

How come the Charlottesville violence occurred exactly how the Berkley campus violence did.

Why were the protesters (those who were supposedly peacefully protesting against the rally march of and for supporting the preservation of our historical statues and monuments, that was planned far in advance and had to apply twice to get a permit to march) masked-up to hide their identities, and armed themselves to go to what they claim was going to be a peaceful protest, the exact same modus operandi of those who had protested at the Berkley campus in California, which consisted of the same protest groups, the BLM and AntiFa, which was also turned into a riot where property was destroyed and people physically harmed?

Were some of the same BLM and AntiFa members attending the Charlottesville protest march, also attend the Berkley campus protest march, because both protest marches ended up in riots, by masked and armed people attacking and assaulting other people, that were there for a different reason than protesting, but for rallying people to support the preservation of our historic statues and monuments instead of protesting anything?

The BLM and Antifa said that the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right were protesting the destruction of those historic statues and monuments, but that is a lie, because those historic statues and monuments had not been taking down and destroyed by the authorities yet, because a judge halted them from doing so, because of a federal lawsuit that was filed to stop it from happening days before the rally march was scheduled, and whatever actions that had been planned had to wait until after this lawsuit was settled.

Another fact that is not being reported on is that the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right groups could not muster-up as many people that were attending that rally march, which was being done peacefully when it first started, and the extra people had to be regular citizens, like myself who wanted those historic statues and monuments preserved.

So who instigated the violence, with attacks and assaults on the people that they hate, because the reason for the rally march had no hate for anyone involved in it, but only the hope to rally enough people to speak up and get their politicians to take action to preserve those historic statues and monuments, while the protesters came to confront those rally marchers, who set up their rally march long before the event, and took all legal actions to get a permit to proceed with their planned rally march. Is this the modus operandi of those who plan violence on the people of that city?

This violence creating a riot out of a protest march is the proven modus operandi of the two groups, BLM and AntiFa, that came to confront the rally marchers in Charlottesville, as they had also done at their Berkley campus protest march, and also turned it into a riot where public and private property was destroyed, and people that didn't agree with BLM and AntiFa were physically attacked and assaulted. So if you were not involving yourself in the riot, that proved to the BLM and AntiFa that you didn't agree with them, so you were then pointed out to become, and were made, a victim of the attacks and assaults. Then they also denied everyone their constituional rights of free speech and peaceful assembly, by not allowing anyone to speak up that didn't agree with them, using violence to prevent such opposing speech, as the planned speakers on the Berkley campus were not allowed to give their far in advance planned speeches.

Now when the attacks and assaults were instigated by some of the groups against the other groups, the other groups started fighting back, not only defending themselves, but they also agressively went after the original attackers, and they are the ones that are getting blamed for the violence, because of their agressive defense against those who provoked them with the original attacks and assaults, while the people who didn't want to be part of the violence started clearing out, but was then attacked and assaulted by both sides of these warring groups.

Therefore both sides share some guilt, but to be honest, the instigators who came to start a riot by attacking and assaulting those that they came to confront, should bear the lions share of the guilt, but are being held innocent by the liberal biased media because they are advocates of the liberal, progressive, and Democratic causes, as the Democratic Party has embraced them, despite the fact that they have called for the murder of our police officers, and all white people.

If that isn't exactly how the Charlottesville incident, that was turned into a riot, occurred, it's pretty damn close, and common sense would dictate who the real guilty groups are, by the facts that brought all this, and these groups, together, and what they had supposedly planned to do, rally or confront, you choose the guilty party.

I personally detest and abhor both sets of groups, because I'm against what both sets of groups stand for, because both sets of groups are racist bigots, but one set proclaims to be conservative and Christian, while the other set are advocates for the liberals, progressives, and Democratic Party which has embraced them both, despite their call for murder of our police officers and white people, and is why you'll never hear anything bad or against the BLM and Antifa from the liberal biased mainstream media, who keep the facts hidden from you that they don't want you to see or learn about, so when an atrocious incident of violence occurs, you'll take the side of their advocates, because you won't have all the facts to make an intelligent and correct decision as to who is to blame, you won't have the "whole truth".
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Aug 20, 2017 14:10:43   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
I assume your comment has been directed at me, since you must have hit the 'REPLY' button, instead of the 'QUOTE REPLY' button, that automatically sends your comment to the person you have responded to.

Reading your comment, I find what you say to be very truthful and accurate, except with the ACLU always winning their lawsuits, which in the last 10 years they have been getting their asses kicked in court by these free Christian law firms that help those that the ACLU attacks that can't afford defending themselves, and that includes many cities, counties, churches, and even aiding some states, as well as just individuals, all across the USA, and I'm sorry that I can't come up with their names right off the top of my head, but I know there are at least three major ones and many others, and I don't believe they have lost to the ACLU yet.

I too detest what the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right stand for, but I also detest just as much, and maybe a little bit more, because I am white and don't want to be murdered because of their racism and bigotry, the BLM and Antifa, and the 1%er group is just as bad.

I have to agree with you, those so called 'Far Right Groups' are too well organized to start an incident, but they have a chip on their shoulder, and want others to knock it off in order for them to take actions to release all their frustrations of constantly being called haters, which many are not, but just hold to the principle of seperation of the races, not necesarily hating the other races, but want the purity of thier race to be kept, as GOD warned in the Bible about keeping the purity of the ten tribes of Israel, by His warning to the Israelites not to marry foreigners.

Think about this for a minute. If everyone kept calling you a hater, and constantly accused you of being full of hatred, when you only want to live by your beliefs, and really would like everyone else to just accept those beliefs do the same, wouldn't that cause a self-prophetic-incident in your psychic, making you to actually become what you're constantly accused of being?

Back in the 1950s and before, they did attack first, but since the 1960s, when the 'Civil Right Act' became law, that tactic was curtailed, because too many of them were spending too much time in prison. Today they are much more disciplined, restrained, and much more well organized, and are constantly ordered and warned not to throw the first punch, through their well organized groups. That's why it has been many decades since any of these far right groups have been accused of starting anything by throwing the first punch.

Haven't you noticed in this Charlottesville incident that they have not been accused of starting the incident by harming anyone first, but of only being haters, and because of their hate they automatically instigate violence, which means they didn't start it, but just by being who and what they are, and by just being there, they caused the violence in others to occur. If you listen carefully to everything that is said, you'll find this to be true of all their accusers, not one being able to claim truthfully that they started any violence, but they instigated it by just being there, because of who and what they are, which most of them are not haters, but have a cause that they deeply believe in, and are willing to fight for it if they are attacked or assaulted first.

But now lets talk about the 'Far Left Groups'. They are not nearly as well organized, and consist of real rabid haters, for who else would call for the murder of police officers and white people (which many of them have done through horrible assasinations of our police officers, that weren't expecting someone to sneak up on them and kill them while nothing was going on), and they are individual cowboys and loose cannons, and do whatever they feel is right at the time that they get an itch to do it. When they're wearing masks to hide their identities, and are armed with a weapon, the itch grows great in them, and they go off without anyone giving them the order to do so, and that is why both the BLM and Antifa have never participated in any event that didn't turn into a riot where many people got hurt and much property was destroyed or stolen.

So those are the groups that came together in Charlottesville, one lawfully permitted for a rally march, while the other coming, reportedly without a permit, to protest and confront the rally marchers, many of the rally marchers really not being members of the groups who organized the rally march, but wanted to stand-up to support the preservation of our historical statues and monuments, and got caught in the middle of one far out group attacking the other far out group, which then agressively defended itself, with all those innocents being in the middle of both far out groups.

So the important questions that need to be asked to determine who actaully started the violence are these:

1.) Why would one set of groups go out of their way to make sure a rally, not a protest, was set up far in advance and completely legal, having to apply twice for a permit before one was issued, and in doing all this, just break the law and incite violence in a peaceful town. For if their goal was to do that, they would need not pay all that money, and take up all their time to do what they did legally, but only would need to just show up at a designated time, and start the violence that would be illegal and get them thrown into jail?

2.) Why would another set of groups, who claimed they were just having a protest march, show up at a designated time, wearing masks and armed with weapons, and was reported not to have obtained a permit to have a protest march, do all this to confront rally marchers that proclaimed they only were there to rally support for the preservation of our historical statues and monuments, and not to confront anyone about anything.

3.) So which ever set of groups started the violence, the other set of groups defended themselves, and progressed into defending themselves agressively. So which set of groups should be blamed and be held responsible for all this violence, which President Trump proclaimed both set of groups were guilty of the violence perpetrated on the other set of groups, which to me was very astute and precise, without having to mentioned who started it all, the one set of groups for just showing up, of the other set of groups for confronting them for showing up?

I'm sorry Huck, you'll have to make that decission for yourself, but the liberal biased mainstream media have already made that decision for you, and they are supporting and promoting the innocence of their liberal progressive, and Democratic Party advocates, and you know who that is by just listening to or watching the news, the ones that wore the masks to hide their identities and came to their wanted confrontation armed.


Huck wrote:
StraightUp –
I want to start by telling you that you have written a very accurate and comprehensive piece that I agree with totally. Now comes the However part: What you don’t say is that the ACLU always wins because they take cases that are constitutionally right, but always favors the left. Oh yes, they have their token right wing cases to claim impartiality, but they are basically considered a left wing organization and I believe rightly so.

In order to ask you the next question I have to express my despicable hatred For the KKK and all White Supremacy organizations in order not to be accused of supporting them and hopefully you’ll believe me. However, I need to ask if you can document a time in recent history when either these two or any other rightwing organization that were marching and demonstrating legally wherever - threw the first punch? I’ve watched many of these protests that have erupted into violence and yet to see the radical, so-called rightwing group, start the fight. As hated as they are they had every right to protest legally whatever without hindrance from radical leftwing groups, but for reasons you should know well, they are always given the blame.

Regardless of how we feel personally about these groups, right or left, the blame has to be honestly placed where it belongs. The stupid sap that ran over and killed a lady happened after a long day of rioting and did not cause the initial eruption. Do you know who started it?
Overall StraightUp, your post appears to have an overall slightly blue haze surrounding it. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Huck
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Aug 20, 2017 14:37:49   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Huck, right after I posted a comment in response to your comment in this post, I came across a more recent news article that may help you decide who the guilty party was in the Charlottesville riot and violence, so I think this may help you some in that decision:

Antifa Protesters Arrested in Chicago After They Attack Cops Outside Courthouse!

Black-clad "anti-Fascists" got rowdy while "opposing white supremacy"!

By Emily Zanotti - August 17, 2017

Three members of Antifa were arrested Wednesday night after they tangled with Chicago police outside of a courthouse on the city's northwest side.

The "protesters" were clad all in black with black bandanas covering their faces. They claimed to be there to demonstrate against a man facing arraignment inside the courtroom, who they said had ties to "white supremacist" and "right wing" groups.

But what started out as a run-of-the-mill leftist rally featuring the same, old, tired, scripted chants ("Racist, sexist, anti-gay, Neo-Nazis go away!"), ended in a melee after Chicago police showed up to try to contain the demonstration. Protesters had wandered away from public property and blocked an intersection, making notoriously terrible Chicago traffic even worse for innocent bystanders, and causing havoc for local residents.

When law enforcement showed up, they found themselves in a tussle with the "anti-fascist" protesters, who used epithets like "pig" to entice Chicago police into a brawl. After police easily subdued their leftist attackers, three were led away in handcuffs.

Charges have yet to be issued against the protesters; police say they are still investigating what prompted the incident — because while the identity of the offending "white supremacist" they were protesting is unknown, lawyers for several defendants arraigned yesterday say none of their clients have ties to neo-Nazi groups or the alt-right, and that no one hauled into court yesterday is being charged with a crime related in any way to a racist, sexist, or anti-gay incident. So pretty much everyone remains confused.

Antifa did come prepared for their arrest, though, and while their colleagues were being shoved to the ground and handcuffed, they chanted "cops and Klan go hand-in-hand" and unfurled a crudely-painted banner likening Chicago police to the KKK.

If they did get it wrong, this is the second major mistake Antifa has made in the past 48 hours. First, they managed to vandalize a statue in Atlanta that they thought was a monument to the Confederacy, but was actually a "peace statue" designed to promote a sense of healing in post-Civil War Georgia. Now, it seems they probably got their dates or details wrong, and attacked a bunch of cops — something law enforcement doesn't exactly appreciate — over an imaginary neo-Nazi offender.

If we were betting people, we might just say that these so-called "anti-Fascist protesters" don't exactly have a top notch operation or, for that matter, a firm grasp on the Internet.

Ridiculous as they are, the trouble with Antifa is that they're not only persistent in their attacks — and have no qualms about using violence, fomenting disorder, and attacking law enforcement — but that these sort of incidents go completely unnoticed by mainstream media. While CNN, NBC, and others focus on the dastardly threat around 200 alt-right figures and neo-Nazi marchers pose to the very fabric of our country, Antifa is racking up quite the rap sheet.

That's not to say the alt-right or others should get a pass — after all, their "peaceful" rally in Charlottesville became a melee that ended up with a murder committed by one of their own. But its becoming impossible to ignore that the "anti-fascists" that the left has beatified over the past several days is no benevolent force, that will contain their violence to Richard Spencer-led rallies.




Huck wrote:
StraightUp –
I want to start by telling you that you have written a very accurate and comprehensive piece that I agree with totally. Now comes the However part: What you don’t say is that the ACLU always wins because they take cases that are constitutionally right, but always favors the left. Oh yes, they have their token right wing cases to claim impartiality, but they are basically considered a left wing organization and I believe rightly so.

In order to ask you the next question I have to express my despicable hatred For the KKK and all White Supremacy organizations in order not to be accused of supporting them and hopefully you’ll believe me. However, I need to ask if you can document a time in recent history when either these two or any other rightwing organization that were marching and demonstrating legally wherever - threw the first punch? I’ve watched many of these protests that have erupted into violence and yet to see the radical, so-called rightwing group, start the fight. As hated as they are they had every right to protest legally whatever without hindrance from radical leftwing groups, but for reasons you should know well, they are always given the blame.

Regardless of how we feel personally about these groups, right or left, the blame has to be honestly placed where it belongs. The stupid sap that ran over and killed a lady happened after a long day of rioting and did not cause the initial eruption. Do you know who started it?
Overall StraightUp, your post appears to have an overall slightly blue haze surrounding it. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Huck
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Aug 20, 2017 17:04:14   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Manning345 wrote:
Seems that both sides in C'ville came ready to rumble, and both sides seem to represent the far sides of their respective ideologies. We have a serious debate going on now regarding Confederate Statues, which does rile up people, but the issue should be debated peacefully and respectfully. I live three blocks away from Monument Avenue here in Richmond, VA, and very near the statue of J.E.B. Stuart. For me, it would be a shame to tear down the Monument Avenue statues of Lee, Jackson, and Stuart, as they represent historical truths about their devotion to Virginia, and they do serve as a reminder that they fought for Virginia, not slavery, yet they also serve very cogently as a reminder that slavery is over and has been over with for 152 years. Looked at that way, it seems senseless to tear them down. One might ask "why now?" after all this time, must they be subjected to hate?
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Thank you for posting that Mann.

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Aug 20, 2017 21:43:47   #
Huck Loc: The Midwest
 
Randy131, Then I take it you agree with me. Huck

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Aug 20, 2017 21:58:37   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Randy131 wrote:
I assume your comment has been directed at me, since you must have hit the 'REPLY' button, instead of the 'QUOTE REPLY' button, that automatically sends your comment to the person you have responded to.

Reading your comment, I find what you say to be very truthful and accurate, except with the ACLU always winning their lawsuits, which in the last 10 years they have been getting their asses kicked in court by these free Christian law firms that help those that the ACLU attacks that can't afford defending themselves, and that includes many cities, counties, churches, and even aiding some states, as well as just individuals, all across the USA, and I'm sorry that I can't come up with their names right off the top of my head, but I know there are at least three major ones and many others, and I don't believe they have lost to the ACLU yet.

I too detest what the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right stand for, but I also detest just as much, and maybe a little bit more, because I am white and don't want to be murdered because of their racism and bigotry, the BLM and Antifa, and the 1%er group is just as bad.

I have to agree with you, those so called 'Far Right Groups' are too well organized to start an incident, but they have a chip on their shoulder, and want others to knock it off in order for them to take actions to release all their frustrations of constantly being called haters, which many are not, but just hold to the principle of seperation of the races, not necesarily hating the other races, but want the purity of thier race to be kept, as GOD warned in the Bible about keeping the purity of the ten tribes of Israel, by His warning to the Israelites not to marry foreigners.

Think about this for a minute. If everyone kept calling you a hater, and constantly accused you of being full of hatred, when you only want to live by your beliefs, and really would like everyone else to just accept those beliefs do the same, wouldn't that cause a self-prophetic-incident in your psychic, making you to actually become what you're constantly accused of being?

Back in the 1950s and before, they did attack first, but since the 1960s, when the 'Civil Right Act' became law, that tactic was curtailed, because too many of them were spending too much time in prison. Today they are much more disciplined, restrained, and much more well organized, and are constantly ordered and warned not to throw the first punch, through their well organized groups. That's why it has been many decades since any of these far right groups have been accused of starting anything by throwing the first punch.

Haven't you noticed in this Charlottesville incident that they have not been accused of starting the incident by harming anyone first, but of only being haters, and because of their hate they automatically instigate violence, which means they didn't start it, but just by being who and what they are, and by just being there, they caused the violence in others to occur. If you listen carefully to everything that is said, you'll find this to be true of all their accusers, not one being able to claim truthfully that they started any violence, but they instigated it by just being there, because of who and what they are, which most of them are not haters, but have a cause that they deeply believe in, and are willing to fight for it if they are attacked or assaulted first.

But now lets talk about the 'Far Left Groups'. They are not nearly as well organized, and consist of real rabid haters, for who else would call for the murder of police officers and white people (which many of them have done through horrible assasinations of our police officers, that weren't expecting someone to sneak up on them and kill them while nothing was going on), and they are individual cowboys and loose cannons, and do whatever they feel is right at the time that they get an itch to do it. When they're wearing masks to hide their identities, and are armed with a weapon, the itch grows great in them, and they go off without anyone giving them the order to do so, and that is why both the BLM and Antifa have never participated in any event that didn't turn into a riot where many people got hurt and much property was destroyed or stolen.

So those are the groups that came together in Charlottesville, one lawfully permitted for a rally march, while the other coming, reportedly without a permit, to protest and confront the rally marchers, many of the rally marchers really not being members of the groups who organized the rally march, but wanted to stand-up to support the preservation of our historical statues and monuments, and got caught in the middle of one far out group attacking the other far out group, which then agressively defended itself, with all those innocents being in the middle of both far out groups.

So the important questions that need to be asked to determine who actaully started the violence are these:

1.) Why would one set of groups go out of their way to make sure a rally, not a protest, was set up far in advance and completely legal, having to apply twice for a permit before one was issued, and in doing all this, just break the law and incite violence in a peaceful town. For if their goal was to do that, they would need not pay all that money, and take up all their time to do what they did legally, but only would need to just show up at a designated time, and start the violence that would be illegal and get them thrown into jail?

2.) Why would another set of groups, who claimed they were just having a protest march, show up at a designated time, wearing masks and armed with weapons, and was reported not to have obtained a permit to have a protest march, do all this to confront rally marchers that proclaimed they only were there to rally support for the preservation of our historical statues and monuments, and not to confront anyone about anything.

3.) So which ever set of groups started the violence, the other set of groups defended themselves, and progressed into defending themselves agressively. So which set of groups should be blamed and be held responsible for all this violence, which President Trump proclaimed both set of groups were guilty of the violence perpetrated on the other set of groups, which to me was very astute and precise, without having to mentioned who started it all, the one set of groups for just showing up, of the other set of groups for confronting them for showing up?

I'm sorry Huck, you'll have to make that decission for yourself, but the liberal biased mainstream media have already made that decision for you, and they are supporting and promoting the innocence of their liberal progressive, and Democratic Party advocates, and you know who that is by just listening to or watching the news, the ones that wore the masks to hide their identities and came to their wanted confrontation armed.
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I love the learning curve you present when posting and I admire your writing skills in keeping it factual with emotion contained..

Yet another outstanding recitation of the truth in what all of us are seeing whether we will admit it or not...

Having lived in Chicago and assisting the League of Cities whom represent the numerous police depts I became aware of ANTIFA when they were involved in the many sqirmishs they brought about... Not having the facts when set out on their mission is because Soros doesn't give them much to work with, just go start trouble..

I learned of his direct involvement with them when studying them to get a better handle when dealing with a member.. You know when arrested some will gladly try to put it on someone else especially when they have no alligence to those they may be paired up with when sent out to "protest" an event or group etc..Then others will not tell you a thing but sit there calling you vulgar names just to insult... If you are affiliated with the cops then you are a pig as well...

They are by far some of the most radicalized group of no care, no concern, they are "number one and no one else compares.." Their words not mine... ANTIFA is actually a radical communist group, make no mistake my Dear friend.. Their funding comes mainly from George Soros, and thus, they get paid to be a “fly in the ointment.” They claim lofty ideals, but all they really stand for is radical communism and rioting to upset the cart... In doing some research, I watched several videos on ANTIFA, the Berkeley riots, and other ANTIFA related groups around the world. ANTIFA’s main tactic is chaos, shouting down anyone with whom they disagree with calls of fascist, racist, bigot, etc.... They know the hot buttons before going out because that information is provided to the "leaders charged with getting it done"...

As far as I'm concerned ANTIFA is, by and large, representing the new face of the Democratic Party... To the T I might add!! There is no longer disagreement on issues...You are allowed to agree with the left, or you are immediately shouted down as a racist, bigot, or the like and they will take matters into their hands like tearing down statues or defacing them all because they are paid to do so... Soros the leader although you will never be able to pin it on him as those involved are the low level slaves someone hired for him and if you know those names and Soros then the link becomes obvious..There is no middle ground. They are totalitarian in their efforts. It’s victory or death with them because outside of their organization they are nothing..They commit to a life of brutality or be the brutalized outside of their group...Again, their words, not mine..

Freedom of Speech is guaranteed but when involving these militant groups that is not their mission .. Anyone who has any working knowledge of the two primary parties in Va, know this.. The peaceful protest escalated with the assistance of Soros who played them against each other...His mission accomplished.. Although I suspect rather than neutralizing Trump he fed the people that support Trump once again... Déjà vu to these incidences involved when President Trump was campaigning... The signature sign is clearly visible..

Our lying media used it as a deflection to the additional lost emails of hillary that were coming out at the same time.. Coincidental?? I think not....

The aggression displayed was the mission and anytime ANTIFA is involved you can expect it... They live for it as it establishes their worth with their fellow criminals...Some life....

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Aug 20, 2017 22:59:14   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Randy131 wrote:
Linda my Joy, you are just too astute for me to be able to give you anything new, in facts or occurences, you are always right on top of everything, and have a very intelligent mind to use those facts to figure out what is really going on, which means you possess tons of 'Common Sense'. That's why I'm glad to see you on OPP, to help disseminate truthfulness of facts honestly, to help those who are uninformed, and who need to know the "real and whole truth", which you seem to be able to carry around in your pocket, and disburse it whenever needed, you are truly a GODsend. These people don't know how lucky they are to have you on this site, which makes me think that I am not needed here, but enjoy what you have to say too much to leave from here. You are always so complete in what you have to offer, that there is nothing that I need to, or can give, to add to what you have always already said. You humble me, for which GOD knows that I need, and I suspect that may have something to do with our meeting and our sharing of thoughts and feelings. Hope to talk with you again later, but also very soon.
Linda my Joy, you are just too astute for me to be... (show quote)


Randy, How do I even reply to such a heart felt array of beautiful compliments ... You render me speechless other than to say Thank You ever so much for your vote of confidence...

I must as well point out I am not able to add to your magnificent writings ever so thoughtfully filled with the topic strongly analyzed and done ever so respectfully..

You are an excellent writer no doubt.. Have you written books, Randy?? If not you should and if you have please give me the title(s)..

You are likewise my joy as I ever so much love reading your thoughts and always look forward to your posts..

Please let me make clear the need for your presence here as you share your position ever so clearly and those posts could very well be manuscript quality.. Your generosity does not go unnoticed and your level of respectful posts is something we all need to focus on in trying to curtail the passion that drives us in politics.. You are a perfect candidate to show how we can converse without the need of attack...I find that most appealing..

Sharing our thoughts and feelings seem to follow zinc in meeting and the like parallel of our earlier lives as well.. A small world we truly live in..

Isn't it a good thing we are not purists, Lololol...

Thank You, Randy... Seems small in comparison but it is heart felt ...

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Aug 20, 2017 23:01:16   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Yes I do Huck, but still do as I suggested, to give yourself actual knowledge of the truth that you can refer to, instead of the correct speculatons you have made through intelligently adding up the facts, for your opponents will call out your speculation as simply unproven thought patterns. If you have references, then they have to challenge someone else, as well as you.



Huck wrote:
Randy131, Then I take it you agree with me. Huck

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Aug 20, 2017 23:41:09   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
WOW, another Lindajoy very knowledgable essay on who and what the AntiFa really are, and who supports and runs them.

I can't beat that, even I didn't know some of those facts, but am glad I do now, thank you so very much Linda, and I mean that sincerely. If more people knew of these facts, then they'd know who were the real instigators of the violence in Charlottesville, as they were also the same who are guilty of doing the same at the Berkley campus in California.

But don't forget AntiFa's twin sister fascist group, also supported and run by George Soros, the BLM, for whenever their is a public event or incident, they both make their presence known, and whereever they go, riots and violence persists, as were in Berkley and Charlottesville, and in a new report today involving the Chicago police department, at a court house in Chicago.

If they'll actually attack the Chicago police, who won't they attack, as those far right groups in Charlottesville must have seemed like incompetent lackeys when they attacked them, compared to attacking big city police departments. And as it was reported in Chicago today, and as it also was in Charlottesville and Berkley, they wore black bandanas over their faces as masks, to hide their identities, again a sign of their modus operandi, as well as being armed at all their protests, that they turn into violent riots, and this time only with the Chicago police no less.

Just wish you had posted this information earlier, as it would have saved an argument with two commenters on this blog site, one pretending to be a conservative and fellow Marine, but always argues in favor of the leftists, and of course another far left idiot who never knows what he's talking about, and a favorite to be picked on by the many intelligent conservatives that visit the OPP sites to make comments on daily events.

I also read another report today that said the number of people that the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right brought to the Charlottesville rally march was just less than 200 people, while the rest of the people who participated in the rally march were innocent concerned citizens, who were rallying in support for the preservation of those historical statues and monuments, and were incidentally caught in the attacks and assaults by the AntiFa and BLM members, and they were definately not the haters that the liberal biased mainstream media, and the Democratic Party and their members, blamed the violence for, their advocacy groups (AntiFa & BLM) rights to attack people that they deem as haters, as is what they call the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right. Good thing that there were no mirrors anywhere around the violence that was being perpetrated on peaceful rally marchers, otherwise the AntiFa and BLM would have gotten a good look at who the haters really were.

Very good and timely comment Linda, you have done it again, bested all of us making comments on this subject.



lindajoy wrote:
I love the learning curve you present when posting and I admire your writing skills in keeping it factual with emotion contained..

Yet another outstanding recitation of the truth in what all of us are seeing whether we will admit it or not...

Having lived in Chicago and assisting the League of Cities whom represent the numerous police depts I became aware of ANTIFA when they were involved in the many sqirmishs they brought about... Not having the facts when set out on their mission is because Soros doesn't give them much to work with, just go start trouble..

I learned of his direct involvement with them when studying them to get a better handle when dealing with a member.. You know when arrested some will gladly try to put it on someone else especially when they have no alligence to those they may be paired up with when sent out to "protest" an event or group etc..Then others will not tell you a thing but sit there calling you vulgar names just to insult... If you are affiliated with the cops then you are a pig as well...

They are by far some of the most radicalized group of no care, no concern, they are "number one and no one else compares.." Their words not mine... ANTIFA is actually a radical communist group, make no mistake my Dear friend.. Their funding comes mainly from George Soros, and thus, they get paid to be a “fly in the ointment.” They claim lofty ideals, but all they really stand for is radical communism and rioting to upset the cart... In doing some research, I watched several videos on ANTIFA, the Berkeley riots, and other ANTIFA related groups around the world. ANTIFA’s main tactic is chaos, shouting down anyone with whom they disagree with calls of fascist, racist, bigot, etc.... They know the hot buttons before going out because that information is provided to the "leaders charged with getting it done"...

As far as I'm concerned ANTIFA is, by and large, representing the new face of the Democratic Party... To the T I might add!! There is no longer disagreement on issues...You are allowed to agree with the left, or you are immediately shouted down as a racist, bigot, or the like and they will take matters into their hands like tearing down statues or defacing them all because they are paid to do so... Soros the leader although you will never be able to pin it on him as those involved are the low level slaves someone hired for him and if you know those names and Soros then the link becomes obvious..There is no middle ground. They are totalitarian in their efforts. It’s victory or death with them because outside of their organization they are nothing..They commit to a life of brutality or be the brutalized outside of their group...Again, their words, not mine..

Freedom of Speech is guaranteed but when involving these militant groups that is not their mission .. Anyone who has any working knowledge of the two primary parties in Va, know this.. The peaceful protest escalated with the assistance of Soros who played them against each other...His mission accomplished.. Although I suspect rather than neutralizing Trump he fed the people that support Trump once again... Déjà vu to these incidences involved when President Trump was campaigning... The signature sign is clearly visible..

Our lying media used it as a deflection to the additional lost emails of hillary that were coming out at the same time.. Coincidental?? I think not....

The aggression displayed was the mission and anytime ANTIFA is involved you can expect it... They live for it as it establishes their worth with their fellow criminals...Some life....
I love the learning curve you present when posting... (show quote)

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Aug 20, 2017 23:49:53   #
samtheyank
 
lindajoy wrote:
I love the learning curve you present when posting and I admire your writing skills in keeping it factual with emotion contained..

Yet another outstanding recitation of the truth in what all of us are seeing whether we will admit it or not...

Having lived in Chicago and assisting the League of Cities whom represent the numerous police depts I became aware of ANTIFA when they were involved in the many sqirmishs they brought about... Not having the facts when set out on their mission is because Soros doesn't give them much to work with, just go start trouble..

I learned of his direct involvement with them when studying them to get a better handle when dealing with a member.. You know when arrested some will gladly try to put it on someone else especially when they have no alligence to those they may be paired up with when sent out to "protest" an event or group etc..Then others will not tell you a thing but sit there calling you vulgar names just to insult... If you are affiliated with the cops then you are a pig as well...

They are by far some of the most radicalized group of no care, no concern, they are "number one and no one else compares.." Their words not mine... ANTIFA is actually a radical communist group, make no mistake my Dear friend.. Their funding comes mainly from George Soros, and thus, they get paid to be a “fly in the ointment.” They claim lofty ideals, but all they really stand for is radical communism and rioting to upset the cart... In doing some research, I watched several videos on ANTIFA, the Berkeley riots, and other ANTIFA related groups around the world. ANTIFA’s main tactic is chaos, shouting down anyone with whom they disagree with calls of fascist, racist, bigot, etc.... They know the hot buttons before going out because that information is provided to the "leaders charged with getting it done"...

As far as I'm concerned ANTIFA is, by and large, representing the new face of the Democratic Party... To the T I might add!! There is no longer disagreement on issues...You are allowed to agree with the left, or you are immediately shouted down as a racist, bigot, or the like and they will take matters into their hands like tearing down statues or defacing them all because they are paid to do so... Soros the leader although you will never be able to pin it on him as those involved are the low level slaves someone hired for him and if you know those names and Soros then the link becomes obvious..There is no middle ground. They are totalitarian in their efforts. It’s victory or death with them because outside of their organization they are nothing..They commit to a life of brutality or be the brutalized outside of their group...Again, their words, not mine..

Freedom of Speech is guaranteed but when involving these militant groups that is not their mission .. Anyone who has any working knowledge of the two primary parties in Va, know this.. The peaceful protest escalated with the assistance of Soros who played them against each other...His mission accomplished.. Although I suspect rather than neutralizing Trump he fed the people that support Trump once again... Déjà vu to these incidences involved when President Trump was campaigning... The signature sign is clearly visible..

Our lying media used it as a deflection to the additional lost emails of hillary that were coming out at the same time.. Coincidental?? I think not....

The aggression displayed was the mission and anytime ANTIFA is involved you can expect it... They live for it as it establishes their worth with their fellow criminals...Some life....
I love the learning curve you present when posting... (show quote)


I can't understand why someone hasn't shot that SOB. He made profit off his own people by turning them into the Nazis. I think he should have been tried as a war criminal. He is evil and has no respect for America and the things she represents. He benefits from our way of life by making profit, etc.

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Aug 20, 2017 23:52:48   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Louie27 wrote:
If that is so, then they should attack one another.


Lololololooolol, that's some common sense amplify right there and I love it!!!!

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Aug 21, 2017 00:08:40   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
samtheyank wrote:
I can't understand why someone hasn't shot that SOB. He made profit off his own people by turning them into the Nazis. I think he should have been tried as a war criminal. He is evil and has no respect for America and the things she represents. He benefits from our way of life by making profit, etc.


I believe he is a threat to this country just as well and should be arrested, tried and shot in the public square for all to get the message treasonous acts against our country and president deserve the death penalty!!!

A menace to the world and should pay dearly for all the mayhem he has caused in any number of other countries as wel! !!!!!!

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Aug 21, 2017 00:13:02   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Compliments that are well deserved, and I wish I had as much confidence in myself, as I have in you, who have proven many times over deserving of that confidence too.

Would you believe that I plagerize, but will never give out my source?

Ironic, you wouldn't know that you're actually the second person in my life who has gotten to know me, who suggested that I might write books, and that first person was my senior 'Literature Class' teacher, who failed me because I skipped too many days to pass her course, and wasn't allowed to graduate, but to get my diploma I would have to attend summer school, not doing anything but showing up and playing basketball in the gym all day, because my grades were all straight 'Bs', for even though I always aced all my class tests in all my subjects, which were all advanced classes, they cut them one grade for my refusal to do any homework. So my entry into the USMC was delayed until the 28th of August , when I had enough days attended to receive my diploma. But I told that literature teacher that I couldn't do any writing, because I needed to attain life experiences to write about, and as just a high school student, I had none. So the writing career never materialized, because my interests were always in too many other things.

But as for me being needed on this blog site, with you here I'd never be missed, but then again I would miss you, and heaven forbid that to ever happen.

"Sharing our thoughts and feelings seem to follow zinc in meeting..." - Sorry, I'm missing, and don't understand, the meaning of this phrase, what am I obviously missing here? Being a pragmatist, zinc to me is a metal, used in coating for the galvanizing process, and also in car battery plates, with acid added and additional lead plates, to cause electrical flow.

But thank you for the compliments Linda, coming from you, they are most endearing to me. May GOD bless and watch over a 'Great Lady', as yourself.



lindajoy wrote:
Randy, How do I even reply to such a heart felt array of beautiful compliments ... You render me speechless other than to say Thank You ever so much for your vote of confidence...

I must as well point out I am not able to add to your magnificent writings ever so thoughtfully filled with the topic strongly analyzed and done ever so respectfully..

You are an excellent writer no doubt.. Have you written books, Randy?? If not you should and if you have please give me the title(s)..

You are likewise my joy as I ever so much love reading your thoughts and always look forward to your posts..

Please let me make clear the need for your presence here as you share your position ever so clearly and those posts could very well be manuscript quality.. Your generosity does not go unnoticed and your level of respectful posts is something we all need to focus on in trying to curtail the passion that drives us in politics.. You are a perfect candidate to show how we can converse without the need of attack...I find that most appealing..

Sharing our thoughts and feelings seem to follow zinc in meeting and the like parallel of our earlier lives as well.. A small world we truly live in..

Isn't it a good thing we are not purists, Lololol...

Thank You, Randy... Seems small in comparison but it is heart felt ...
Randy, How do I even reply to such a heart felt a... (show quote)

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Aug 21, 2017 06:41:41   #
Huck Loc: The Midwest
 
Randy131, Thanks and I understand, but I just don't have time for it. At 88, I've been around the block a couple times and my instincts and memory have served me well over the years. Also I'm very involved with book writing and my time on OPP is limited, but thanks. You are right on. Huck.

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