BoJester

Gasp!!!! you mean the 3 republican senators are NOT conservative?

Amazing how they missed the simple solution of your post

dbleach3

Politicians are politicians and if they repealed the 16th amendment (Income Tax) they would not have power to reward and punish us poor souls.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Your just mad because it gives equally to all citizens and not just the disenfranchised.

Gives all citizens the right to make their own decisions.

Allows for long term transferable coverage to all family members.

Cares about doctor patient privacy rights.

Doesn't give the gov the right to steal everything from your family when you pass away.

Doesn't have death panels.

I've listen to him describe it. And yes it does involve the gov without it taking control of your healthcare.

Anything else you want to stick your warted troll nose upto ?

BoJester

If you remove your big ugly beak from carson's arse, you may want to revisit several of the claims.

Besides, when carson actually WRITES his plan down, and has it scored, it will be far easier to point out the conceptual flaws of his plan

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Bo, why are you so angry?

I'm sincere in asking, what would make you print something like republicans only want rich people to have healthcare?

We're not the ones who have placed so little value on human life, we charish it and want all people to succeed. It is up to the individual's choices and effort that determines ones success. But you know as well as I do that money isn't the deciding factor or "score" to finding beauty, kindness and value in a persons life.

And if you have actually read or listened to Ben you would know that it treats all people with the respect that they deserve.

LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota

more left wing tripe from a communist

BoJester

I respectfully doubt that you have much knowledge about carsoncare. He speaks in glowingly simplistic terms of what he 'envisions' healthcare should be.

The issues are not about 'respect', but reality and practicality.
Like ALL plans, they sound good until it comes time to implement them, and then the inner workings, the legalities, the ramifications, the exclusions, the inclusions, the consequences, intended and unintended, are revealed and suddenly, the plan looks much different than it sounded.

Let's just take one of carson's ideas.
He claims that EVERY child born WOULD have a "personal health savings account", set up at the time of birth.

carson dances around the initial amount, so let's just say the opening contribution is $2k, and EACH year, that individual account would get another $2k
Sounds good, right? If a person doesn't use it, they could pass it on to their surviving family. carson really looks like bojangles when he asked about funding said plan.

Seems like suddenly the government mandate is OK to ensure participation in carsoncare. And if a family cannot fund the indiviual accout, then the government would do that. Sounds good so far, right?

So let's look at this fantasy in a hypothetical way. Suppose a person funds his account at $2k for 40 years.

Never touched it during all that time, now has a balance of $80k, plus a low rate of interest. Suddenly, cancer strikes.
How far will that $80k go?

So, an individual will still need to have additional insurance coverage, or go bankrupt.

Just a simple reason why to participate in carsoncare, one would need to be wealthy as well as extraordinarily healthy.

Ask carson for written specifics, and see what response you get.

Next time we will talk about carsoncare and EMR

BoJester

Your fellow wackos' must be unaware that these 3 senators are commies. But you have such brilliant insight into their policies, maybe you should start calling yourself revere, and be like the fat limblow cartoon character

pana Loc: are we there yet?

:thumbup:

pana Loc: are we there yet?

Take note folks. This is a fine example of a liberal white flag surrender. The only thing missing is "Its Bush's fault and we are all "bigots" They really are becoming more transparent.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Do you have a reasonable investment portfolio or a healthcare savings account through an employer? Do you understand how they work?

If you put $2000 (yes this is the amount Ben suggested) into a semi investment semi care account and let's give it a modest 6-8% per year increase do you know how much money you would have in 20,30 or 40 years?

Let's just say its going to have atleast 6 zeros behind it, every man woman and child in America.

Your initial point was republicans don't have any valid ideas other than different variations on the Romney/Hillary/Obama care plans. Would something like Ben's idea still have lots of work to get passed, boat loads but I bet you just about anything that if given a choice a majority of demographics would choose it over Obama care. I say most because there are certain groups that this type of plan would have limited value, like those currently on Medicare. But who says you can't at a now very reasonable rate purchase suplimental insurance.

You did make one interesting statement though that all plans look good until implimented, I can only assume by all you are including obamacare in that assessment.

But you never answered the question why are you sooOoo angry?

And one more thing that little additional 2% tax increase at the beginning of last year would be all that it would take to fund it.

pana Loc: are we there yet?

:thumbup:
They also don't like Carsons idea because it is transferable to your kids.

BoJester

6-8% return? Try 1-2% at current rates

And you fail to acknowledge that some people, such as infants,children,young adults, have accidents, or disease long before long before they ever reach Medicare age.
That is where the money from the carsoncare program would go, eroding possible savings aspects for many.

Now consider that if an individual can't fund for himself or his family, using the trypical family of four, that is 8 grand annually. It is a safe bet that the government will be funding carsoncare, since employer provided insurance will have long since disappeared.

And your point about a 2% tax increase. Is that the restoration of the SS tax? carsoncare would require new revenue streams from taxes.

vernon

you made a good presentation then in the last sentence you start name calling why not just leave the last sentence off.

BoJester

Vern baby, I did not call YOU a name, unless you work at faux or for the fat one. Just listen to his show for an hour, and you will hear name-calling in every segment.