buffalo Loc: Texas

[quote=Cherokee38]Since you have more legal experience than I, please list where it is stated "health care is a right??" [quote]

EMTALA--Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Law.

bahmer

[quote=buffalo][quote=Cherokee38]Since you have more legal experience than I, please list where it is stated "health care is a right??"

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.

CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country

As far as medicare for all is concerned:
The avg person pays into medicare about $150 K while working. The average paid out after 65 is around 300,000 dollars. Multiply this by the current number of medicare recipients and then ask your self again, who is going to pay that. It is something like 80 Trillion dollars of unfunded cost, if I remember correctly. The government collects about 3.6 Trillion a year and still creates 1 Trillion in debt. If the tax rate was doubled and the 50% of population that pays no federal income tax was put into collections at 10%, the current debt could be paid off in about 7 years. Problem then, is many small businesses that employ over half of the income tax paying people, would no longer be able to stay in business. Thus the beginning of economic failure. The rule of self sufficient is truly the only way out and it will take 40 years of great economy under Trump type policies to make that happen. When Muenchen says medicaid has to decline in dollars to have a thriving economy, he is really saying that if we have to continue to pay for Obamacare, we will never have real GDP growth again. And most likely a devastating living situation for any person that has not prepared themselves to live like a pioneer.
The health care plan that appears to have failed because of 48 democrats and 4 republicans , would have reduced the medicaid demand over about 8 years by about 3.3 trillion. A good start to self sufficiency.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

SENATORS!!! 7 years you wanted Obama care repeal and replace and still NOTHING!! GET OFF YOUR FAT ASSES AND DO SOMETHING NOW!!! STOP your stupid games!!! You make our President look bad!! DO SOMETHING OR RETIRE!!

bahmer

More than that they make themselves look bad but then again I guess that they are used to that aren't they?

GmanTerry

Yes, "The sad part is we have very bad memory's and keep putting the A holes back in." The reason being that we are faced with things like RINO McCain. What are my choices. Elect a socialist Demmunist or a 3/4 Demmunist like McCain. Slightly lesser of two evils. Like trying to decide if I want to elect someone who will steal my entire paycheck from my family or someone who will leave me with enough to feed them rice. Slightly better but still not good.

Semper Fi

buffalo Loc: Texas

How much in premiums to a private, for profit health INSURANCE corporation does the average person and their employer, or a self employed, pay over 40 years vs how much that private, for profit health INSURANCE corporation pays out for that person's health CARE that same period? How much does that health INSURANCE corporation profit during that period? When a person reaches 65 why are they automatically enrolled in Medicare? Could it be that they suddenly become to great a RISK for the health INSURANCE corporations to profit from and continue to pay their executives multi-MILLION dollar salaries, multi-MILLION propaganda...er...advertising, 20-25% administration costs and stock dividends? Obamacare is just more corporate welfare...er...subsidies for the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations and a mandate that healthy young people buy health INSURANCE. The subsidies worked well for the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations but the mandate...not so well.

"Trumpcare" will be worse for the middle class and working poor.

Eliminating the private, for profit health INSURANCE middleman and everybody paying into a Medicare for All system would save $17 TRILLION over 10 years and every man woman and child would have access to needed health CARE.

I think paying for Universal health CARE would be a better investment that funding continual illegal, unConstitutional, immoral warmongering to the tune of TRILLIONS. Where is the $6.5 TRILLION the Pentagon can't account for, by the way?

CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country

How many jobs and investments do Insurance companies make in all areas of our economy. That money is not just idle. Health care is 16% of GDP and the investments finance another 10% of the GDP. all I am saying is is just not that simple.

Morgan

You are correct it does depend on what I work for and PAY for. Paying for something and receiving it is NOT a privilege, you paid for it...and if you paid for it, you've paid for the right to have it. It's that simple. Quid pro quo. This is why it is a contract. Now you can bold angry print all you want but that doesn't change a thing. If you don't pay for it, you don't have it...see how this works, you should be happy it's capitalism at its best, especially when we consider how much they rip people off.

Home ownership,car ownership etc. anything you pay for you get, it is not a privilege, you've earned it and paid for it, where do your get you marketing philosophy? Why so angry?

Morgan

Good points buff, the only problem would be the people screaming socialism, and the lobbyists would block this big time. But a for profit healthcare system seems rather diabolical to me. Maybe this is why things like diabetes is never cured.

buffalo Loc: Texas

My MD brother says that like with cancer the money is in the treatment not the cure.

He thinks health CARE is a right and the US should have a single payer system like Medicare for All and he is and ER doctor.

Morgan

I believe we would save money, just as you say but right now our for profit health care system is something like 16% of our GDP. We're not producing products we're producing sick people.

I have more than once read of cases where the cures fore cancers have been buried, wouldn't doubt it at all.

I've been interested and reading about the metaphysics of the body being able to cure itself, and how it's built to do just that, it's actually fascinating stuff and it is not done alone but with help from above.

Morgan

Another good point

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Well now, dip stick...many people had insurance way before Obama Care. They had a decent policy and a decent deductible. Then along came Obama Care. The Insurance Carrier dropped from being YOUR Carrier and forced you to be served by a NEW Carrier that is actually located in a different State. The Premiums went up, the overall coverage was less and the deductible tripled. For younger people, being forced to have any insurance to them was a bad joke. Obama Care depended on those "youngsters" paying into it to make it work...well many did not and went ahead and paid a penalty via IRS. Next, many Insurance Carriers dropped out of Obama Care totally. The entire program is a disaster. So when you force someone to be "Insured" by a company you do not want to deal with at rates you don't want to pay, you are then being forced to pay for insurance you do not want nor need....so you are in error. Of course you being a dip stick democrap...there is nothing new about YOU being in error. It is what you do. Like a frigging disease.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

I agree.