According to the Democrats, they are the same, just listen to them.

Obamacare is access to what was promised as affordable healthcare insurance from a private supplier, and if you liked your own healthcare insurance policy, you could keep it. But for those deemed to poor to afford the healthcare insurance, even with the federal government stipend, they are given free access to medicaid, a public supplier, which is the governments of state and federal together paying for your healthcare, which is access to healthcare without having to pay for it by making healthcare insurance payments.

The problem with Obamacare health insurance is that you don't have a choice to buy only what you want and/or need, but have to buy what the government requires you to buy in healthcare insurance, such as maternity insurance for unmarried men, and also for people beyond the child-bearing age.

The government needs to quit telling the people what to do, and allow the people to make their own choices, which is what is called your Creator's unalienable endowed Right of your 'Pursuit of Happiness', where you get to choose what is best for you, whether it truly be or not, instead of some bureacratic elitist deciding for you what is best for you, then forcing you to accept their choice, instead of allowing you to make your own choice.

I think is was back in 2012 when the mandate kicked in, I went on the healthcare.gov website that people were having so much trouble with and breezed right through the process, no problems. I was not poor enough to qualify for a subsidy, am single and the ONLY plans offered me were BCBS Bronze or Silver plan. The Silver plan's monthly premiums were $378.98 with a $6,000.00 deductible and only paid 60% after the deductible was met. What kind of fucked up rip off is that? Do the math. Say If I had the no good shit for 2 years I would have paid $9,000.00 in premiums. Then I suddenly had a $30,000.00 medical bill, emergency or illness, whatever. I still would have had to pay the $6,000.00 deductible, $9,000.00 in premiums I had paid and then the sorry shit would have only paid $14,000.00 of the $24,000.00 left after the $6,000.00 deductible. So, I would have been out $25,000.00 to get $14,000.00 payment for health CARE from private, for profit a health INSURANCE corporation. the Bronze plan would have been worse! You tell me.....

Health INSURANCE and health CARE are not the same thing. Many, many middle class and working poor people forego health CARE because they cannot afford what health INSURANCE WILL NOT PAY and the high deductibles.

Medicare for ALL would solve that problem instantly and save 95% of taxpayers money. Only the the rich would be required to chip in a little more. Health INSURANCE is a profit extracting ripoff. I say eliminate the $500 BILLION they extract in profits annually, increase Medicare tax on wages to, say, 5%, on gross incomes below $150,000 and 7.5% on incomes above that, tax annual stock increases, investment and interest incomes and capital gains the same 7.5% and combine the Medicaid and VA budgets into a Medicare for All. And, YES it would be affordable. Doctors would still be in private practices, that is those that have not gone to work in hospitals for salaries as hospitalist because of the overhead of dealing with 150 different private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations and hospitals would still be privately owned. Medicare for Alll would be no more socialistic than the current Medicare system for the elderly and disabled. It would NOT BE FREE except for the very poor that get it free now.

Out of 11 so-called wealthy nations, the US is the ONLY one that does not have single payer, universal health CARE. The others that do did not go to single payer because it was going to cost more, nor are any of them considering do away with their health CARE systems. Health CARE is a right!

So, most "working people", over the past 30 years, had "group health insurance" as a benefit, through their employer.....right? The "free enterprise system"; more commonly known as capitalism was working just fine.

I paid ZERO per month for health insurance.....for my ENTIRE family. A doctor visit (to my chosen doctor) usually cost a co-pay of maybe $15. Same with my dentist. Six-month dental checkups cost zero. Of course, none of the cost was actually "nothing", it was a part of my wages. A major medical event might cost a few hundred dollars....after all, a box of tissues might not be included at $60 per box.

Thus, out-of-pocket = $400 for the whole family after 2 years. This includes deductibles for drug coverage. A catastrophic illness might increase the total to maybe $1000 total.

Tell me again how, having the federal government in the health insurance business, is a better system!!!!!! The argument that "other industrialized [wealthy?]nations have single payer insurance", doesn't mean anything......there is a whole world out there which has maybe more/maybe less, than what we have here in the U.S.

We haven't been "doing socialism". (Sure, we have plenty of socialism. Ex: social security.) How's that working in those countries? I'll stay here. Clearly, the ACA didn't work; don't fix it; throw it out!

Insurance, of any kind, is a privilege; just like any other property or possession. In THIS society, one works to own something. Under, socialism/communism, individuals own nothing...including insurance.

Any questions?

I think is was back in 2012 when the mandate kicked in, I went on the healthcare.gov website that people were having so much trouble with and breezed right through the process, no problems. I was not poor enough to qualify for a subsidy, am single and the ONLY plans offered me were BCBS Bronze or Silver plan. The Silver plan's monthly premiums were $378.98 with a $6,000.00 deductible and only paid 60% after the deductible was met. What kind of fucked up rip off is that? Do the math. Say If I had the no good shit for 2 years I would have paid $9,000.00 in premiums. Then I suddenly had a $30,000.00 medical bill, emergency or illness, whatever. I still would have had to pay the $6,000.00 deductible, $9,000.00 in premiums I had paid and then the sorry shit would have only paid $14,000.00 of the $24,000.00 left after the $6,000.00 deductible. So, I would have been out $25,000.00 to get $14,000.00 payment for health CARE from private, for profit a health INSURANCE corporation. the Bronze plan would have been worse! You tell me.....

Health INSURANCE and health CARE are not the same thing. Many, many middle class and working poor people forego health CARE because they cannot afford what health INSURANCE WILL NOT PAY and the high deductibles.

Medicare for ALL would solve that problem instantly and save 95% of taxpayers money. Only the the rich would be required to chip in a little more. Health INSURANCE is a profit extracting ripoff. I say eliminate the $500 BILLION they extract in profits annually, increase Medicare tax on wages to, say, 5%, on gross incomes below $150,000 and 7.5% on incomes above that, tax annual stock increases, investment and interest incomes and capital gains the same 7.5% and combine the Medicaid and VA budgets into a Medicare for All. And, YES it would be affordable. Doctors would still be in private practices, that is those that have not gone to work in hospitals for salaries as hospitalist because of the overhead of dealing with 150 different private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations and hospitals would still be privately owned. Medicare for Alll would be no more socialistic than the current Medicare system for the elderly and disabled. It would NOT BE FREE except for the very poor that get it free now.

Out of 11 so-called wealthy nations, the US is the ONLY one that does not have single payer, universal health CARE. The others that do did not go to single payer because it was going to cost more, nor are any of them considering do away with their health CARE systems. Health CARE is a right!

I think is was back in 2012 when the mandate kicked in, I went on the healthcare.gov website that people were having so much trouble with and breezed right through the process, no problems. I was not poor enough to qualify for a subsidy, am single and the ONLY plans offered me were BCBS Bronze or Silver plan. The Silver plan's monthly premiums were $378.98 with a $6,000.00 deductible and only paid 60% after the deductible was met. What kind of fucked up rip off is that? Do the math. Say If I had the no good shit for 2 years I would have paid $9,000.00 in premiums. Then I suddenly had a $30,000.00 medical bill, emergency or illness, whatever. I still would have had to pay the $6,000.00 deductible, $9,000.00 in premiums I had paid and then the sorry shit would have only paid $14,000.00 of the $24,000.00 left after the $6,000.00 deductible. So, I would have been out $25,000.00 to get $14,000.00 payment for health CARE from private, for profit a health INSURANCE corporation. the Bronze plan would have been worse! You tell me.....

Health INSURANCE and health CARE are not the same thing. Many, many middle class and working poor people forego health CARE because they cannot afford what health INSURANCE WILL NOT PAY and the high deductibles.

Medicare for ALL would solve that problem instantly and save 95% of taxpayers money. Only the the rich would be required to chip in a little more. Health INSURANCE is a profit extracting ripoff. I say eliminate the $500 BILLION they extract in profits annually, increase Medicare tax on wages to, say, 5%, on gross incomes below $150,000 and 7.5% on incomes above that, tax annual stock increases, investment and interest incomes and capital gains the same 7.5% and combine the Medicaid and VA budgets into a Medicare for All. And, YES it would be affordable. Doctors would still be in private practices, that is those that have not gone to work in hospitals for salaries as hospitalist because of the overhead of dealing with 150 different private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations and hospitals would still be privately owned. Medicare for Alll would be no more socialistic than the current Medicare system for the elderly and disabled. It would NOT BE FREE except for the very poor that get it free now.

Out of 11 so-called wealthy nations, the US is the ONLY one that does not have single payer, universal health CARE. The others that do did not go to single payer because it was going to cost more, nor are any of them considering do away with their health CARE systems. Health CARE is a right!