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Jul 10, 2017 08:18:25   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
See what?

Trump was not my first pick. But he wasn't my last pick either.

I accepted Donald Trump is who he is I don't need to hide it. I don't need to avoid it. I don't need to refuse to address it.

You might try that sometime.

For all of Trumps faults, which there are plenty, you cannot avoid the fact that his faults are less than his opponent.

I wish there was a better candidate. But there was not.




Those are not facts, just opinions, which I disagree with.
For all the faults you list of Trump's,nlook back at Hillary look back at Bill Clinton and look back at Obama and you will find worse.

That doesn't make Trump great it just makes him better.
See what? br br Trump was not my first pick. But ... (show quote)

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Jul 10, 2017 08:19:21   #
debeda
 
Eugene Debs wrote:
MSNBC rarely does any reporting without a Conservative voice. But you may call that voice a RHINO and disqualify. The polls that predicted Hillary would win fell well within their margin of error. Either without Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, Trump loses in a landslide. And he lost the popular vote still by almost 3 million. And was in the lower fifth of electoral votes. He was like one of those mathematics anomalies.


what do you mean by "the lower fifth" of electoral votes? It's been quite a while since the election but I thought that he had well over 300. What people don't seem to understand is that the 2016 election was more a rejection of the Obama administration's pie in the sky fiscal policies and bizarre social policies than anything else. What resonated to voters was that Trump was willing to name the problems and promise to get the train back on the rails. I am so sad that this election illustrated how far apart people are ideologically. I look at liberals and think "After all that has happened and is happening what's wrong with you?" and liberals look at the conservatives much the same. Thus the controversy around the MSM, where most got their news for years. People would read something about a topic or event they had personal knowledge about and think "wait, that's not what happened at all." And this has changed from being isolated incidents to being a regular diet of biased nonsense from MSM. When I took journalism many years ago the cardinal rule was to be factual, regardless of your own opinion. Now you actually see newscasters rolling their eyes, making faces and laughing at or otherwise dismissing anything that they don't agree with. And I personally lay that at the feet of lack of personal integrity. If you're in a job where you need to sometimes investigate and report on things that don't fit your own comfort zone you'd think that would be an opportunity for personal growth, not an opportunity to try to pound what you discover into a known and comfortable box.

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Jul 10, 2017 08:21:46   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
See what?

Trump was not my first pick. But he wasn't my last pick either.

I accepted Donald Trump is who he is I don't need to hide it. I don't need to avoid it. I don't need to refuse to address it.

You might try that sometime.

For all of Trumps faults, which there are plenty, you cannot avoid the fact that his faults are less than his opponent.

I wish there was a better candidate. But there was not.



Those are not facts, just opinions, which I disagree with.

For all the faults you list of Trump's,nlook back at Hillary look back at Bill Clinton and look back at Obama and you will find worse.

That doesn't make Trump great it just makes him better.
See what? br br Trump was not my first pick. But ... (show quote)

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Jul 10, 2017 08:24:09   #
Morgan
 
This is not posting correctly?

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Jul 10, 2017 08:29:31   #
debeda
 
Nickolai wrote:
Yes what butt kicking's ? Conservatives have never kicked any body's ass they have no facts or accomplishments to point to such as child labor laws, food and drug safety, work safety laws, 8 hr work day, Social Security. nothing, nada, zilch


do you truly believe all that was democrats? I'll bet you believe that the earned income credit that was designed to help the working poor came from the Clinton administration, don't you....

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Jul 10, 2017 08:41:38   #
Morgan
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Which one's actions were cowardice, as you put it? Both Kennedy's & Clinton's were the attitudes of men with a lot of power. Trump at that time had the power only money has; he held no office. Locker room talk has never been on the level of a college lecture.

Thank you for the compliment but I remain far more concerned about their's than Trump's. Evidence shows he has changed & I am certain that my past holds far more skeletons in such matters than does Trump's. And I know that my past holds far fewer skeletons than rapes and manslaughter.
Which one's actions were cowardice, as you put it?... (show quote)


If you don't view Kennedy's actions as cowardice, leaving the woman at the scene of an accident, we have nothing else to say on the matter, we're worlds apart. What does having a lot of power have to do with not making good moral decisions? Shouldn't it prevail even more? As far as Trump not on office, isn't it the persons true stature when he does something in a good ethical manner when "not" in the lime light. To only do something good in the lime light is only self serving and insincere, now you are hitting on the true nature of Trump. Locker room talk along those line is more sincere than someone on a political podium.

Now you puzzle me ,why would you be more concerned for past political figureheads, rather than the present one who immediately affects us.

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Jul 10, 2017 09:21:41   #
PeterS
 
Super Dave wrote:
Oh... So you think freedom is the government taking your money against your will to use as it sees fit until they decide it's time for you to retire, and then the government decides how much of it to to give back to you?


Gruber was right about you.


Programs don't give freedom. Programs come from government. Freedom comes from God.


Gee Davie I just gave you several examples of how freedom can come from government. What I left out was because of government helping me get my degrees I was able to find the financial freedom to do whatever I want. It depends on what you define as freedom Davie but government has done far more for me than the god created from mans imagination...

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Jul 10, 2017 09:43:05   #
Morgan
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I did read his comment and I admit it was rather crude in nature, though it was impeccably composed.

I acquiesce and applaud your temerity.



Yes he is well practice in his precise and articulate verbal fencing, touche' for him... though a bit of an over reaction. Next time I reply to him I will have to consider his sensitivity and be more diplomatic.

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Jul 10, 2017 09:45:13   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Morgan wrote:
If you don't view Kennedy's actions as cowardice, leaving the woman at the scene of an accident, we have nothing else to say on the matter, we're worlds apart. What does having a lot of power have to do with not making good moral decisions? Shouldn't it prevail even more? As far as Trump not on office, isn't it the persons true stature when he does something in a good ethical manner when "not" in the lime light. To only do something good in the lime light is only self serving and insincere, now you are hitting on the true nature of Trump. Locker room talk along those line is more sincere than someone on a political podium.

Now you puzzle me ,why would you be more concerned for past political figureheads, rather than the present one who immediately affects us.
If you don't view Kennedy's actions as cowardice, ... (show quote)


"Now you puzzle me ,why would you be more concerned for past political figureheads, rather than the present one who immediately affects us." - Morgan
Really Morgan
Do you need a refresher?

Hillary Clinton: A Lying Compilation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNyYTsk5gs
Hillary the Scandals
http://youtu.be/BYKAzJcU-DA

Hillary Clinton Is A Threat To All Of Humanity
https://youtu.be/0EGBOMvBrZw

Non censored news and commentary:
http://republicbroadcasting.org/shoutcast/shoutcast.html
Republic Broadcasting Network: http://republicbroadcasting.org/
For those that can handle the truth; RBN Live ONLINE!

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Jul 10, 2017 09:48:33   #
son of witless
 
PeterS wrote:
Gee Davie I just gave you several examples of how freedom can come from government. What I left out was because of government helping me get my degrees I was able to find the financial freedom to do whatever I want. It depends on what you define as freedom Davie but government has done far more for me than the god created from mans imagination...


Logically then, in your view, Government is greater than God?

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Jul 10, 2017 10:04:17   #
Morgan
 
PeterS wrote:
Gee Davie I just gave you several examples of how freedom can come from government. What I left out was because of government helping me get my degrees I was able to find the financial freedom to do whatever I want. It depends on what you define as freedom Davie but government has done far more for me than the god created from mans imagination...


Peter you've just tap on some great points, not the part referring to god but the main one I'm referring to is being able to get an higher education, and become a more productive citizen. Isn't that the very thing to make our country strong.I was just listening to Michio Kaku discuss the genius student exchange who come in on grants from our government to finish their education and than work in science and technology research and are then hired by the military or research firms, due to being unable to find students in the US with the same caliber. His point was the general lack of education and competition with other countries. My daughter who lives in Seattle as confirms his statements telling me how the companies there are desperate for sci-tec people and are paying big money to get them and most are from foreign countries.

We've been ignoring a big problem focusing on the military, we're making the military industrialists wealthier at the cost of our country, but they'll never allow people to realize it and believe it. Just look at what Trump is doing.

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Jul 10, 2017 10:12:30   #
Morgan
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Now you puzzle me ,why would you be more concerned for past political figureheads, rather than the present one who immediately affects us." - Morgan
Really Morgan
Do you need a refresher?

Hillary Clinton: A Lying Compilation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNyYTsk5gs
Hillary the Scandals
http://youtu.be/BYKAzJcU-DA

Hillary Clinton Is A Threat To All Of Humanity
https://youtu.be/0EGBOMvBrZw

Non censored news and commentary:
http://republicbroadcasting.org/shoutcast/shoutcast.html
Republic Broadcasting Network: http://republicbroadcasting.org/
For those that can handle the truth; RBN Live ONLINE!
"Now you puzzle me ,why would you be more con... (show quote)



Geeez come on now Eagle, "a threat on all Humanity"

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Jul 10, 2017 10:41:52   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Morgan wrote:
That wasn't clear enough for you I''ll try and simplify, I don't see any threat to our freedom of speech, got it. If you don't understand the second part forget about it. One more thing Magilla don't try so hard to be some kind of pseudo intellectual.


As a good soldier of the Leftist Progressive Democrat cause Eugene did his job in posting a challenge that is ripe with debatable fodder in obvious support of the Party agenda that the president of the United States is not fit for office; the reason being secondary to the objective. Many, including myself, have responded with legitimate points of argument – not demeaning rhetoric.

One does not have to come close to intellectual superiority to understand these basic or fundamental core elements to argue them, pro or con. You have yet to respond thoughtfully to any of the many, many arguable points raised here from the simple using Jefferson without complete context to misdirect (something Obama is particularly good at by the way) to the nuclear elements of accountability and responsibility of the press raised by others, to the challenge that the majority of the media belong to the Democrat Party and are by association therefore, suspect at best. It seems if you have to read or write more than one or two lines you are flummoxed.

I have over the years on OPP discovered that there is one significant 'tell' that indicates when a Leftist is truly cornered ... that is, frustrated that they cannot respond truthfully without blowing the party agenda (which is all issues) exacerbated by their inability to read the English language for comprehension, something you have demonstrated here abundantly - that tell being when they attack my avatar. Welcome to the club. I will put a notch on the banana for you.

Why don’t you take one of the issues alluded to and debate it. Maybe write something as huge as a paragraph. Show us all that you are not the delusional Leftist Proletariat zombie you appear to be. Or alternatively, make my point and just tell me how stupid I am – again.

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Jul 10, 2017 11:33:51   #
Kazudy
 
Eugene Debs wrote:
Follow the words: The ONLY security of all. Got that point. It is vital and overarching. Muy importante. ONLY! "...is in a Free Press." A Free Press is for, establishes, and guarantees "we the people" freedom. It is not the enemy. That is a totalitarian lie to call the Free Press the enemy of the people. Can the Press get it wrong? Can the Press be biased? Of course. Look at how the Press glorified the "Robber Barons" at the dire and mortal expense of Labor back in the late 19th and early 20th Century of America. Most of the Press then was fixated on the idea of Social Darwinism as the way of life, survival of the fittest. Entrepreneurs were the fittest, those who worked for them just expendable cogs. Ayn Rand came out of that prevailing thought. But the Press slowly saw the error of their ways, only because it was still free to do so.
Follow the words: The ONLY security of all. Got th... (show quote)


A free press is suppose to report the news, not create"fake news" to further their socialist agenda.

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Jul 10, 2017 12:29:34   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
CDM wrote:
As a good soldier of the Leftist Progressive Democrat cause Eugene did his job in posting a challenge that is ripe with debatable fodder in obvious support of the Party agenda that the president of the United States is not fit for office; the reason being secondary to the objective. Many, including myself, have responded with legitimate points of argument – not demeaning rhetoric.

One does not have to come close to intellectual superiority to understand these basic or fundamental core elements to argue them, pro or con. You have yet to respond thoughtfully to any of the many, many arguable points raised here from the simple using Jefferson without complete context to misdirect (something Obama is particularly good at by the way) to the nuclear elements of accountability and responsibility of the press raised by others, to the challenge that the majority of the media belong to the Democrat Party and are by association therefore, suspect at best. It seems if you have to read or write more than one or two lines you are flummoxed.

I have over the years on OPP discovered that there is one significant 'tell' that indicates when a Leftist is truly cornered ... that is, frustrated that they cannot respond truthfully without blowing the party agenda (which is all issues) exacerbated by their inability to read the English language for comprehension, something you have demonstrated here abundantly - that tell being when they attack my avatar. Welcome to the club. I will put a notch on the banana for you.

Why don’t you take one of the issues alluded to and debate it. Maybe write something as huge as a paragraph. Show us all that you are not the delusional Leftist Proletariat zombie you appear to be. Or alternatively, make my point and just tell me how stupid I am – again.
As a good soldier of the Leftist Progressive Democ... (show quote)


Howdy CDM,

I hope that you and Morgan will reach a point of compromise soon.

I don't really know her very well but I found it somewhat painful to read your responses to her.

I give her credit for her participation in these discussions we engage in.

It shows her concern for the issues that we face as citizens of this troubled nation.

I appreciate your participation as well and I compliment your skillful literary technique.

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