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“The only security of all is in a free press.” ― Thomas Jefferson
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Jul 9, 2017 12:11:13   #
shirleycts1
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Nice try moron, uninformed, useful idiot.
Now be a typical leftist and argue something other thanight the content. These references can be 100% verified by multiple sources, including a recent Harvard study and are empirical evidence your just another illiterate brainwashed liberal only capable of quoting talking points and lest I include fake news by liberal journalist.

Ninety percent or more of the coverage at CNN, NBC and CBS was determined to be negative. The coverage by the New York Times and Washington Post was 80 percent negative or higher. Even the Wall Street Journal, which is considered to lean conservative, was determined to provide coverage of Trump that was 70 percent negative.

One unexpected finding from the study is that BBC’s coverage was 74 percent negative, lower than many of the top American news outlets.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/harvard-study-examines-media-coverage-of-trump-and-the-results-will-blow-you-away/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/amp/www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/harvard-study-examines-media-coverage-of-trump-and-the-results-will-blow-you-away/amp/#ampshare=http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/harvard-study-examines-media-coverage-of-trump-and-the-results-will-blow-you-away/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/my-fake-news-list-went-viral-but-made-up-stories-are-only-part-of-the-problem/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/my-fake-news-list-went-viral-but-made-up-stories-are-only-part-of-the-problem/#ampshare=https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/my-fake-news-list-went-viral-but-made-up-stories-are-only-part-of-the-problem/

THE ULTIMATE “FAKE NEWS” LIST
The mainstream media is the primary source of the most harmful, most inaccurate news ever
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones - DECEMBER 7, 2016 871 Comments
The Ultimate "Fake News" List
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Isn’t it ironic how the mainstream media has the nerve to lecture everyone else about “fake news” when they are the primary source of fake news on a consistent basis stretching back years?
Fake news stories and fake narratives put out by the mainstream media have resulted in deaths, destruction and people’s lives being ruined.
RELATED: PETITION: DEFEND INDEPENDENT MEDIA FROM ‘FAKE NEWS’ ATTACKS
The most harmful fake news is routinely published by the mainstream media. They are the main progenitors of fake news.
– The fake news that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq was involved in 9/11, dutifully regurgitated without question by the mainstream media, resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, thousands of dead and injured U.S. troops, and the destabilization of an entire continent.

– The fake news that the rebels in Syria were “moderates” who did not have jihadist sympathies and should be supported led to the destruction of Syria, Libya and the rise of ISIS.
– The fake news narrative that the media was balanced in its coverage of the presidential election was completely obliterated when Wikileaks emails revealed that countless mainstream media reporters were in bed with the Clinton campaign, feeding them debate questions beforehand and conspiring with Hillary’s staff to portray her in a positive light.
– The fake news that George Zimmerman was obsessed with Trayvon Martin’s race before the altercation that led to Martin’s death was accomplished by means of NBC deceptively editing an audio tape. This incident stoked racial tensions across the country and laid the groundwork for the violent ‘Black Lives Matter’ movement that was to follow.
– The fake news that produced the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative, which was proven to be completely fraudulent, led to riots, violent attacks and looting in Ferguson, Missouri, as well as numerous other U.S. cities. Even after the rioting began, the mainstream media continued to legitimize the unrest. Fake news outlets continued to parrot the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative even after it was proven false.

– The fake news that saw innumerable people accused of rape at college campuses across America, claims that were proven wrong, ruined people’s lives and perpetuated the myth (fake news) that one in five women are raped on college campuses.
– The fake news that George W. Bush served dishonorably during his time in the Air National Guard was broadcast by CBS News with the aid of fake documents. In circulating this fake news, CBS tried to influence the 2004 presidential election but only ended up crucifying their own credibility, leading to Dan Rather’s resignation six months later.
– The fake news that NBC anchor Brian Williams faced enemy fire while helicoptering into Iraq in 2003 was exposed when soldiers who were aboard the helicopter blew the whistle on his lies. Despite admittedly putting out fake news, Williams still has a career in broadcast journalism.
– The fake news narrative that Donald Trump somehow represents the next coming of Hitler has provoked a hysterical anti-Trump hate crime wave across America, with people and property being attacked on a routine basis. The same hysterical fake news narrative was also responsible for violence and riots at Trump events throughout the campaign cycle, as well as assassination attempts on Trump’s life.
– The fake news that Donald Trump had no chance whatsoever of winning the presidential election was proudly pushed by countless mainstream media outlets, with the Huffington Post even predicting that Hillary Clinton had a 98% chance of winning the presidency. When this fake news narrative was completely demolished on November 8, it swept away trust in political polling and the mainstream media to an even greater degree, prompting the backlash that you now see with the corporate press calling everyone else “fake news” when they are the real fake news.

FULL LIST OF FAKE NEWS OUTLETS

– The New York Times
– The Washington Post
– CNN
– NBC News
– MSNBC
– CBS News
– ABC News
– Salon.com
– The Huffington Post
– Rolling Stone
– BBC News
– Sky News
– Financial Times
– Politico
– New York Daily News
– L.A. Times
– USA Today
– US News & World Report
– CBC
– Gawker
– Newsweek
– Time
– Business Insider
– Daily Beast
– VICE
– Yahoo News
– Daily Kos
– Young Turks
– Slate
– NPR
– PBS
– Raw Story
– New Yorker
– Buzzfeed
– MoveOn
– Think Progress
– Media Matters
– Wonkette
– Center for American Progress
– Little Green Footballs
– The Economist

List of journalist that colluded with the Clinton campaign
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Nice try moron, uninformed, useful idiot. br Now ... (show quote)


Well said and very well informed. Loved your response

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Jul 9, 2017 12:26:28   #
shirleycts1
 
Morgan wrote:
Obama was never a threat to free and bias press, clearly.

Trump is the perpetual liar, his lies are solidified as the press quotes him, and btw that is just what he wants. I have never witnessed such a destructive president is aiding and in the divisiveness of a country, as he incites his party against his opposing party in hateful rhetoric.


The only hateful rhetoric I hear comes from the fake news mainstream media and the lefties, dear.
Trump doesn't yell hateful things or riot or encourage others to riot. Neither does he try to take others free speech from them at schools or other places, he doesn't clip and snip interviews to fit what he wants to show to others on the news either. Only the left and the fake news media do those things. Obama was and still is an abomination and a blight on this country. Get up off the couch and do some research, it will surprise you when you hear and see the entire interviews without alteration. Oh and I love how Trump keeps laying traps for the stupid MSM & Dems. and the idiots keep falling in them.

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Jul 9, 2017 12:32:05   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Eugene Debs wrote:
Follow the words: The ONLY security of all. Got that point. It is vital and overarching. Muy importante. ONLY! "...is in a Free Press." A Free Press is for, establishes, and guarantees "we the people" freedom. It is not the enemy. That is a totalitarian lie to call the Free Press the enemy of the people. Can the Press get it wrong? Can the Press be biased? Of course. Look at how the Press glorified the "Robber Barons" at the dire and mortal expense of Labor back in the late 19th and early 20th Century of America. Most of the Press then was fixated on the idea of Social Darwinism as the way of life, survival of the fittest. Entrepreneurs were the fittest, those who worked for them just expendable cogs. Ayn Rand came out of that prevailing thought. But the Press slowly saw the error of their ways, only because it was still free to do so.
Follow the words: The ONLY security of all. Got th... (show quote)



When quoting founding fathers Leftist seldom if ever keep the quote in (the intended) context.

It’s convenient, no, in fact mandatory to the agenda that you (Leftists) ignore the fact that the majority of the "free press" is fully committed without reservation or caveat to a political party ... the Democrat Party of the United States.

Please take the time to understand if you dare stray from Leftist convention that by doing so, the 'Free Press' chooses to adopt ideological limitations precluding any possibility of unbiased, pragmatic journalism and in fact demanding the strongest biases without regard for detrimental impact. They choose to use their constitutional freedom as a weapon … disguised.

This is not the ‘free press’ of which Mr. Jefferson speaks and if you read his myriad writings on the subject you will find this for yourself. You will learn that in point of fact Mr. Jefferson would side with Mr. Trump and the 10’s of millions of like mind Americans in this particular instance. Not to limit an enemies ability to speak but to challenge them in the strongest possible terms.

Your question "can the press get it wrong" is sophomoric if not simple minded Leftist diversion that you buy into. It's not that the press is getting it wrong ... it's that the press is inventing it. It can't possibly be wrong if it's made from the whole cloth of deception and peddled as 'truth' through a monopolized medium, in the belief that all the people are illiterate proletariat - the fatal flaw if you will – Most are not; most get it.

And if you are indeed writing this in reaction to statements made by the president (something you don’t openly declare) you miss a core element; the president did not say “free press” is an enemy of the people or anything even close to that … He said clearly that specific ideologically driven business enterprises calling them out by name, pretending, please take note, pretending to be press, unbiased seekers of truth as it were, are the enemy; guilty of dangerous, destructive deception.

And what’s really comical about the Leftist fear mongering such as this post? In the end no freedoms have been threatened and in fact a basic freedom that of free speech under which your precious freedom of press is safely ensconced has been exercised, strengthened and thereby preserved. These illicit enterprises are free as ever to continue to practice their deception – it’s their constitutional right. And we, ALL OF US including the president of the United States are free as ever to call them out …

If freedom of speech and press are indeed threatened it’s the ignorance of the proletariat Leftists who swallow the tripe peddled by these illicit enterprises that will bring us down.

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Jul 9, 2017 12:39:05   #
debeda
 
you are so right!!

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Jul 9, 2017 12:42:02   #
debeda
 
I agree. The only attempts that I have witnessed of anyone trying to repress free speech and expression have come from the left. And as a sidenote they are more and more devolving into school yard bullies in this endeavor.

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Jul 9, 2017 12:48:00   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
You have some one sided perceptions there wolf, I didn't read it that way at all. I believe her points are well made, for all sides to stick to the facts and stop their bias slant to everything, wouldn't that be for the best interest to all of us?


You referred to this person with the word "her".

I thought it was a he.

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Jul 9, 2017 13:01:34   #
Morgan
 
vernon wrote:
You need to go get a mind enema you have been filled with communist bs and need a good cleaning out.


Riiiiight, you keep believing I'm sure that's working for ya.

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Jul 9, 2017 13:07:28   #
Morgan
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
You referred to this person with the word "her".

I thought it was a he.


It was referring to who posted the thread...Eugene Debs...so I went with her...I dunno, maybe it's both, we do have couples on here who share an avatar, does it matter?

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Jul 9, 2017 13:09:51   #
Morgan
 
debeda wrote:
you are so right!!


Who is so right? We don't have a clue...please hit the quote reply so we know who you're addressing, thanks

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Jul 9, 2017 13:15:07   #
Morgan
 
debeda wrote:
I agree. The only attempts that I have witnessed of anyone trying to repress free speech and expression have come from the left. And as a sidenote they are more and more devolving into school yard bullies in this endeavor.



The ONLY attempts you've witnessed is from the left, that in itself is not believable. As school yard bullies should we take account the numbers on here and percentages of insulting posts, especially taking in the consideration that the right out numbers the left on here by almost 10 to 1. You folks work in packs and the left usually one against the entire group.

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Jul 9, 2017 13:19:32   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
son of witless wrote:
One bad media outlet? As Sargent Schultz said " jolly joker ". Freedom of the press means the government will not abolish or throw into jail the press. CNN and the rest are free to pursue whatever it is they do. The government is also free to question and criticize them. Where is " free press " not free?


The only thing free about the press is that it is free from punishment for lying to the public.

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Jul 9, 2017 13:31:05   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Is a "Free Press" really free, when all these networks (ABC NBC CBS and CNN were bought by the same group of elitists) and became the ABCNBCCBSCNN Democrat's Network?

Eugene Debs wrote:
Follow the words: The ONLY security of all. Got that point. It is vital and overarching. Muy importante. ONLY! "...is in a Free Press." A Free Press is for, establishes, and guarantees "we the people" freedom. It is not the enemy. That is a totalitarian lie to call the Free Press the enemy of the people. Can the Press get it wrong? Can the Press be biased? Of course. Look at how the Press glorified the "Robber Barons" at the dire and mortal expense of Labor back in the late 19th and early 20th Century of America. Most of the Press then was fixated on the idea of Social Darwinism as the way of life, survival of the fittest. Entrepreneurs were the fittest, those who worked for them just expendable cogs. Ayn Rand came out of that prevailing thought. But the Press slowly saw the error of their ways, only because it was still free to do so.
Follow the words: The ONLY security of all. Got th... (show quote)

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Jul 9, 2017 13:32:14   #
Morgan
 
CDM wrote:
When quoting founding fathers Leftist seldom if ever keep the quote in (the intended) context.

It’s convenient, no, in fact mandatory to the agenda that you (Leftists) ignore the fact that the majority of the "free press" is fully committed without reservation or caveat to a political party ... the Democrat Party of the United States.



This is not the ‘free press’ of which Mr. Jefferson speaks and if you read his myriad writings on the subject you will find this for yourself. You will learn that in point of fact Mr. Jefferson would side with Mr. Trump and the 10’s of millions of like mind Americans in this particular instance. Not to limit an enemies ability to speak but to challenge them in the strongest possible terms.

Your question "can the press get it wrong" is sophomoric if not simple minded Leftist diversion that you buy into. It's not that the press is getting it wrong ... it's that the press is inventing it. It can't possibly be wrong if it's made from the whole cloth of deception and peddled as 'truth' through a monopolized medium, in the belief that all the people are illiterate proletariat - the fatal flaw if you will – Most are not; most get it.

And if you are indeed writing this in reaction to statements made by the president (something you don’t openly declare) you miss a core element; the president did not say “free press” is an enemy of the people or anything even close to that … He said clearly that specific ideologically driven business enterprises calling them out by name, pretending, please take note, pretending to be press, unbiased seekers of truth as it were, are the enemy; guilty of dangerous, destructive deception.

And what’s really comical about the Leftist fear mongering such as this post? In the end no freedoms have been threatened and in fact a basic freedom that of free speech under which your precious freedom of press is safely ensconced has been exercised, strengthened and thereby preserved. These illicit enterprises are free as ever to continue to practice their deception – it’s their constitutional right. And we, ALL OF US including the president of the United States are free as ever to call them out …

If freedom of speech and press are indeed threatened it’s the ignorance of the proletariat Leftists who swallow the tripe peddled by these illicit enterprises that will bring us down.
When quoting founding fathers Leftist seldom if ev... (show quote)




Quote: "Please take the time to understand if you dare stray from Leftist convention that by doing so, the 'Free Press' chooses to adopt ideological limitations precluding any possibility of unbiased, pragmatic journalism and in fact demanding the strongest biases without regard for detrimental impact. They choose to use their constitutional freedom as a weapon … disguised."



My my my, people in glass houses, I suppose you're of the practice do as I say and not as I do.

It isn't freedom of speech that is threatened but combing through the misinformation that is constantly published to mislead the masses, and that is most definitely not from one side. There should be a consequence to stating facts with the purposeful intention to mislead.

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Jul 9, 2017 13:37:00   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Morgan wrote:
The ONLY attempts you've witnessed is from the left, that in itself is not believable. As school yard bullies should we take account the numbers on here and percentages of insulting posts, especially taking in the consideration that the right out numbers the left on here by almost 10 to 1. You folks work in packs and the left usually one against the entire group.

Is there any other conservative Forum?
One that allows ALL people to give their opinions.
The Liberals always censor out debate.
Are there any other open Conservative forums????
Are their any open Liberal Forums that anyone can suggest???

OPP is the most open IMO!
The best IMO!

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Jul 9, 2017 13:38:10   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Eugene Debs wrote:
You are a moron. Sorry. One Bad Media outlet, and CNN may be just that, does not warrant the comment the Press "is the enemy of the people." Not all CNN is fake News, no matter how much you may wish it so or look to undermine it.

I have enough of that macho thing in me to ask "What butt kickings?" Have not noticed any.


You are just as deluded as your nom de plume, one of the few people to ever have been convicted and jailed for sedition.

The press in this country is not free and indeed it is doubtful that it ever was free. It certainly received a death blow when six companies control all of the news outlets, press, television, magazines and anything other than online webcasts. There have been numerous examples posted on the internet showing that most talking heads use the same canned information in their news broadcasts virtually word for word. The print media also follows in lockstep as exemplified by the current knee jerk obeisance to climate change and its incredibly grave dangers, which overshadow all other problems with the world. This is obviously was prepared propaganda and had nothing to do with reporting news or the purpose of a free press.

The press is the creature of the oligarchs who own it. You want a free press then start demanding the anti-monopoly laws be enforced and break up all of the press cartels. Reinstate the law that forbid the ownership of more than one form of media in any given market.

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