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Jul 4, 2017 06:31:31   #
viking747
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
No, no, Peter11937, Go ask your Congressman why health insurance is ten times more costly than auto insurance, yet we kill more people every year in auto accidents and maim millions more than all soldiers lost during WWII.

1) The McCarran-Fergusson Act of 1945 reclassified the health insurance industry from "non-profit industry" status to a "for-profit industry," thus placing health insurance under the Interstate Commerce Clause, allowing for State Legislators to regulate health insurance policies artificially wide and costs artificially high in exchange for fat campaign contributions - all to protect the consumer. Ha ha ha.

2) The 1935 National Industrial Recovery Act of FDR exempting the health insurance industry from the Anti-trust laws, legalizing price fixing throughout the medical industry, destroying competition in free markets needed to drive down costs and raise quality.

3) Allowing for the Democrats to prey upon the historically illiterate citizens and pitch the Public Option lie as an alternative to the "big, bad corporate greedy insurance companies" that the politicians themselves created.

4) Plotting the substitution of the Public Option for Obamacare, triggering government "medical triage," under a nation bankrupt both morally and financially: medicine under the 4th Reich.

Go ahead, call up your congressman and listen to him profess how he wants to protect your healthcare through government regulations.
Ha, ha ha. Oh, Gawd help us. Run for your life, run, run, and when you get tired, run faster.

We need to overturn all Obamacare; overturn the McCarran-Fergusson Act; overturn the health insurance exemptions from the anti-trust laws; and open up interstate commerce to shop across all 50 state borders for private practitioners and health insurance of our free choice.

I feel like Hippolytus standing upon my head dancing across the kitchen table. Does anybody hear me?
No, no, Peter11937, Go ask your Congressman why he... (show quote)
Good job and thank you for posting.

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Jul 4, 2017 08:28:59   #
cbpat1
 
He SHOULD have made a living doing stand up comedy. He would have done a better job.

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Jul 4, 2017 09:00:38   #
debeda
 
Because it's yet ANOTHER tax to decimate the middle class.

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Jul 4, 2017 09:32:16   #
Morgan
 
Randy131 wrote:
Damn you're stupid, when Obama was elected he had a Democratic 40 plus seat majority in the US House, and a Democratic 60 seat filibuster proof majority in the US Senate, with Nancy Pelosi as the Speaker of the US House, and Harry Reid as the President of the Senate. How do you think they were able to get the abomination known as Obamacare passed. Go back to your room and leave the grownups alone. You can't refute a damn thing I posted, because it is all true and factual history, something that kids like you know nothing about, as you have been proving since the day you got on this site, and even the liberals here know it.
Damn you're stupid, when Obama was elected he had ... (show quote)


I did not post a detailed time line I did post a chart of the exact party's in power in the presidency senate and house and what year ti save the stupid anal discussion on who was in who and when, but typically but you being the obnoxiously arrogant prig, didn't even look at it. I know Obama had the majority when he was first in office, and I know he made grievous mistakes on priorities, as it should have been health care, it should have been taxes and increasing it to the wealthy and getting funds to pay our debts and repair our country as Roosevelt did. But he was being blacked mailed by the GOP, hanging approving the budget over his head, you do recall green eggs and ham correct, and you folks causing the downgrade of our credit standard.

But again you have me digress, it was after the 2012 elections when the GOP won control , through cheating by gerrymandering mind you, we all know that too, including my so called liberal friends,as if you talk to them about me, you're such another right wing liar.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40007802/ns/politics-decision_2010/t/gop-leaders-top-goal-make-obama--term-president/#.WVuRd4Tyvbg

It's based on a comment Sen. Mitch McConnelll made in an interview with the National Journal's Major Garrett on Oct. 29, 2010: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/oct/30/barack-obama/president-barack-obama-claims-mitch-mcconnell-says/

Your so call definition of Lame duck you posted to me doesn't wash and you know I'm right of all the efforts of the right to NOT work with our president to help RECOVER the country, so your arrogance and slanted information can stick it where the sun don't shine. here I'll send it again take a look this time and try acknowledging what I did fact of who and when.



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Jul 4, 2017 09:51:06   #
maryla
 
Morgan: I agree, they were looking for something BHO proclaimed to be but in actuality he turned out to be the worst gamble in U.S. History. He took the Democratic party from a governing party to a totalitarian mess. His display of rainbow colors lighted from the Whitehouse at the time of the LGBT victory says it all. I was reminded of this travesty while reading about the sulphurous fire raining on Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the one quality about Obama. He always took issues to the edge. There are situations where people MUST HAVE BOUNDARIES...otherwise they'll be flirting with disaster and right now, that's the situation we find ourselves in...


Morgan wrote:
Bush was never a lame Duck, for most of the time he had the house and for a time he had both. i just lost a detailed post but lost it by accidentally refreshed the page, so this is a short version,

Bush inherited a surplus, the US went from a $5.6 trillion surplus that George Bush inherited to over ... $11-plus-trillion debt when George Bush left office."

He had us go into an unpaid war, while cutting taxes to the wealthy, and caring numerous bailouts, some being open ended. Your recollection of the last year of Bush is quite skewed to my recollection, we were on a plane taking such a complete dive that it is how Obama got voted in. People were so desperate to get from under a republican administration people left the republican party- as myself, to take a chance on a black person with the name of Barack Hussein Obama. Now in more desperation, the republican party... out of desperation, voted for a so called non politician Donald Trump. Lesson learned... don't vote out of desperation.

Top Presidencies for GDP Growth
Discussion: The top presidents' average annual GDP growth rates are as follows:

Factual numbers

FDR 9.29%
LBJ 4.93%
JFK 4.37%
Clinton 3.88%
Reagan 3.50%
Carter 3.30%

Out of six presidents for the best results for GDP, five are democratic.
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Jul 4, 2017 09:55:54   #
Morgan
 
vettelover wrote:
Ok, let's act for a moment that you actually know what you are doing. Let's address the Clinton Surplus Myth to start. In lieu of writing a book on economics for you, I will ask you to simply do your own research on that subject. Google Bill Clinton surplus myth and read the various articles that come up from neutral economist. I get so tired of people peddling that BS from people who have never spent more than 5 minutes researching the slight of hand budget balancing by Clinton and Gingrich!

Let me give you the quick cliff notes on the surplus, first of all, Bill Clinton was riding high on a very friendly and very generous Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan so keep that in mind. Obama got the same treatment from the Fed!

Basically all they did is take money from the left pocket (unfunded liabilities) and put it in the right pocket (the actual government balance sheet) and there you go, it's balanced with money taken from social security, pensions etc etc. No where was there any real significant change in responsible government. It was all a giant lie meant to deceive the public. If you go back in time and look at the debt clock, you can see at no point did the U.S.government debt stop growing. Also keep in mind, there is no actual written solid number on unfunded liabilities day in and day out. In other words, no one has a clue what that number really Is?

I will get you started below but encourage you to spend a few hours reading about your facts on Bush inhetiting this surplus myth. I have huge issues with President Bush but the surplus is not one of them.

https://mises.org/library/surplus-hoax
Ok, let's act for a moment that you actually know ... (show quote)


Thank you I'll look it over, it was my understanding we were in a surplus and a balanced budget, all Bush had to do was stay on course and we'd be ahead, at least until the unfunded war. Maybe the Bushes thought this would boost the economy.

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Jul 4, 2017 10:04:02   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
America Only wrote:
Well now...unlike some broke azz lil moron like you, I never needed any GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT to my insurance. It leaves me without the BS of higher premiums with lower coverage.

Of course, you nit wits have no brains so obviously YOU have a need for someone to hold your hand to make sure you have some insurance. BOO HOO! Get a frigging job and BUY your own insurance...idiot stick!


You nail it right here!! Bo's debacle of misfit injustices in his supposed save all healthcare BS is the largest atrocity to follow him into the history books!!!

Never should have made it a government issue just to strengthen his Marxist, Communistic infiltration of our country!!
Now Trump has to fix it, given the ridiculously high premiums, bare ass coverage and limited flexibility of companies left writing the garbage..
It can't be fixed and what the Senate put out even worse!!

Their plan in effect brings back insurance to what it was prior to Bo's meddling.. The difference now.~~ premiums to break us and those who don't have to have insurance will not and Medicaid will once again be on the rise as hospitals try to get patients certified for it so their bills are covered.. What a racket, all for the players involved and little to nothing for the citizens!!

Government does NOT belong in our personal lives, period..

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Jul 4, 2017 10:09:13   #
Morgan
 
vettelover wrote:
Ok, let's act for a moment that you actually know what you are doing. Let's address the Clinton Surplus Myth to start. In lieu of writing a book on economics for you, I will ask you to simply do your own research on that subject. Google Bill Clinton surplus myth and read the various articles that come up from neutral economist. I get so tired of people peddling that BS from people who have never spent more than 5 minutes researching the slight of hand budget balancing by Clinton and Gingrich!

Let me give you the quick cliff notes on the surplus, first of all, Bill Clinton was riding high on a very friendly and very generous Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan so keep that in mind. Obama got the same treatment from the Fed!

Basically all they did is take money from the left pocket (unfunded liabilities) and put it in the right pocket (the actual government balance sheet) and there you go, it's balanced with money taken from social security, pensions etc etc. No where was there any real significant change in responsible government. It was all a giant lie meant to deceive the public. If you go back in time and look at the debt clock, you can see at no point did the U.S.government debt stop growing. Also keep in mind, there is no actual written solid number on unfunded liabilities day in and day out. In other words, no one has a clue what that number really Is?

I will get you started below but encourage you to spend a few hours reading about your facts on Bush inhetiting this surplus myth. I have huge issues with President Bush but the surplus is not one of them.

https://mises.org/library/surplus-hoax
Ok, let's act for a moment that you actually know ... (show quote)


social security should never be borrowed from, as in my mind it isn't a unfunded liability it is earned credit that had been paid in for and should be there when the times comes, as in pensions.

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Jul 4, 2017 10:12:04   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
Trumpcare is all about taking health care from the indigent, the working poor, the disabled, children and the elderly; and giving tax credits, aka millions, to people who are so rich they will barely notice. Even Warren Buffet has come oit against it.

Now Trump has come out and said just repeal Obamacare, fuck replacing it...where does that leave us now?


Screwed that's where it leaves you!! Thank Bo for that one..

If Trump doesn't do something to fix it where does that leave you??? Did you have affordable insurance before Bo introduced his Communistic socialized plan???

Think we're going to get hit with a single payer plan now???

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Jul 4, 2017 10:16:16   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
Morgan wrote:
Thank you I'll look it over, it was my understanding we were in a surplus and a balanced budget, all Bush had to do was stay on course and we'd be ahead, at least until the unfunded war. Maybe the Bushes thought this would boost the economy.


The petrodollar and our debt based economy requires perpetual war.

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Jul 4, 2017 10:21:46   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
robmull wrote:
Pure secular {radical} liberal progressive Marx/Alinsky (D), BS, Geo. "Republicans" don't want government healthcare, primarily because it's NOT healthcare, but a gigantic and Marx/Alinsky (D), style "re-(D)istribution of wealth." And the only people actually getting "healthcare," under "ObamaCare," are the subsidized. The middle-class Americans who were FORCED {TAXED} to pay for whoever was able to claim poverty or "illegal-alien rights to free-healthcare" {transportation, education, housing, land, money, food, etc.}, would have to suffer a catastrophic illness to get a penny. Just the rising premiums were becoming untenable, to say NOTHING of the preposterous $6,000 to $12,000 dollar (D)eductibles. Whereas the "subsidized" (D), get - everything for "free," from band-aids to broken limbs; from sprained-ankles to PTSD for the tough time they had getting over {or under} the border, or the horrible war-torn status of the regions they were {American taxpayer financed to be}, quietly (D)eposited to our (D)oor-step. Hummmmmmmmmm. What lawmaker (D), WOULDN'T want THAT??? Especially because they were quick to (D)ismiss themselves {and their big-time (D)onors}, from the outright atrocity of subsidized government "healthcare." Hummmm, again!!!
Pure secular {radical} liberal progressive Marx/Al... (show quote)


If Bo wanted to really help those without insurance he could have drafted a plan to get that supposed 20 million uninsured through a government sponsored fund rather than hitting the entire nation with his forced coverage and left people the heck alone!!!!

I've said just open up the same coverage government has to the people as well, everyone has the same thing then~~ yeahhh right, problem there ~ who would ever write it?????

Repeal and don't bother replacing!! When people are screaming bloody damn murder over premiums they can't afford they may be more responsible and receptive to understanding just exactly how wrong Bo's healthcare was and is..

Government certainly created a nightmare that is not fixable!!!!!

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Jul 4, 2017 10:24:42   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
byronglimish wrote:
"""LOOK"""... Baraaaaaak Hussein Barry Sotero Obama or the "Kenyon" if you will...was and is a bad apple and pert near rotted the whole basket of progressive apples and there is hardly any thing that he touched that remains unstained...and his "Hillary/Obama health care doing is a very coordinated effort to hurt Americans ... where they're most vulnerable...


I "L@@ked" and you are right!!! Hills~ ha, she would have already sold off the rest of our country and hi tailed it out of here by now!!

(Ok, sarcasm mode off)

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Jul 4, 2017 10:31:37   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
peter11937 wrote:
My sister has Obama care and needs a very delicate cardio -vascular operation. There is ONE who can do it within 150 miles in any direction and that Dr. WILL NOT accept Obama care, so she will have to pay the $50,000 fee AND still has to pay for obamacare.....! What sane person thinks it is good idea?


Sorry to hear about your sister... Has she consulted with the hospital about financial assistance to get her surgery?? They do have donors they may be able to enlist???

As for the Dr. that is so dang typical! Worried more about his money than the patient!! I'd find another Dr. period, perhaps the hospital knows of someone that does the type she needs..

Ironic, if she walked in there in an emergency setting, she'd be admitted and that surgery done.. Regardless of her insurance...

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Jul 4, 2017 10:41:24   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
Geo, I think you are right!! Why should Trump and the dumb republicans be concerned that Obamacare is going broke. I think they should do nothing and if it collapses remember the democrats demanded it be left alone. They designed it and they know its great. My only problem is all the lazy, good for nothings that insist on wealth distribution. Remember, the government can't give you anything that they have not taken from someone else. Do you, smoke, drink, travel to see family then you can pay for either insurance or pay your medical bills, it is a CHOICE you make. We don't tell the story of the ant and the grasshopper anymore because why should some of the lazy work when all they have to do is demand someone take care of them. Trump needs to allow people to LEARN from their CHOICES and quit worrying about what can be done to help them. If they do not want to helpthemselves why should other citizens be concerned??
Geo, I think you are right!! Why should Trump and... (show quote)



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Jul 4, 2017 10:45:50   #
Morgan
 
padremike wrote:
How scrambled are your brains to read my comment and come to a conclusion that I "disparaged" our vets especially in light that I spent 20 years in service myself. You are a first class brainwashed obot. You wouldn't even make good road kill. A damn squashed armadillo has more common sense and integrity than you.

Radical Islam attacked America on 911 and killed more Americans than we lost at Pearl Harbor and you, you worthless piece of shit, are so bloody stupid not to understand that Bush retaliated, with the approval of congress, and we fought the enemy over there and not over here. That's the way we fight wars but you politically correct bastards want to bring terrorists here and turn us into Europe so we can have them blowing up our own people. You pollute the very air you exhale so stop breathing.
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And you are dummer than a stump... you just don't get it do you, because every single time, you party hating people open your lousy mouths against any Americans whether liberal or democrats, you disparage them, which you do every single day,every one of them which yes includes vets, who have also died, been crippled or lost a loved one you insult to the extreme. You are anti American, go an embrace a Russian with your foul mouth disgusting hateful leader you follow, you own him now, he's your repulsive reflection. A person of zero integrity like you. You shallow hypocrite. You people never ever get it
, all you get is it wrong...your idiots.

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