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May 23, 2017 20:56:58   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Nickolai wrote:
No I go with the facts and evidence All Americans should consider, as well, how conservatives have long tried so hard to actually thwart democracy. They were the original proponents of only allowing white men with property to vote and having senators hand-picked by state office-holders. Conserving the aristocracy you know; that's the way the Tories still have the British House of Lords rigged. William F. Buckley founder of the National Review once wrote that the job of the conservative was to stand athwart history shouting" STOP"

As more Americans began gaining the right to vote, plus the right to vote for most government positions, including senators, conservatives scrambled to find other ways to thwart democracy. They have variously thrown up poll taxes, means testing, intimidation, inconvenient ID requirements, providing the poor and working class with fewer and/or malfunctioning voting machines, tampering with machine-counted votes, and setting up onerous and punitive restrictions for those registering voters, just to name a few of the malicious tactics to lower voter turnout they have tried... and are still trying. For decades, these democracy-deniers had to operate stealthily, but recently the conservative-leaning Supreme Court weakened the Voting Rights Act and now the red states are back - right out in the open - trying to suppress the vote.
No I go with the facts and evidence All American... (show quote)


All Americans should consider that at the time only white property owners could vote, the same situation obtained all over the world.
All Americans should consider that prior to the passage of the 17th Amendment, when Senators were picked by State legislatures, there was no such thing as a Senator spending 30 or 40 years in Washington because the state legislatures were up for elections every two years, and none of them would have stood for an imperial Senate. It is currently almost impossible to unseat an incumbent Senator and when they retire, the good ol boys and girsl throw their support behind the hand-picked successor.
Your statement about "inconvenient ID" is beyond ridiculous. You would have anyone who could fog a mirror, citizen or not, criminal or not, just walk up and vote. As many times as they wanted to.

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May 23, 2017 21:03:48   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
Nickolai wrote:
Yes I'm fully aware of those numbers another indication it is about to swing. It's always darkest before the storm

You know, I admire your optimism. I also respect that in spite of the criticisms directed at you on a daily basis, you keep coming back for more. You don't run and hide like most of the other progressives do. And you, more often than not, remain civil. (that must be the leftover republican in you) Good on you, Nick. đź‘Ť

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May 23, 2017 21:37:50   #
Nickolai
 
Loki wrote:
I did not say the Fed loaned money to the Bolsheviks. The bankers who formed the Fed, and later became the founding members of the Council on Foreign Relations most certainly did. As a Communist, you should know that your hobby is expensive.







That makes sense since Jews played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive roll in the Bolshevik revolution and banks in the US and Europe have been dominated by Jews going back to the MediEvil age

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May 23, 2017 21:38:59   #
Nickolai
 
cesspool jones wrote:
Can you lick yer pussy like a dog does?








Facing the truth isn't easy is it ?

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May 23, 2017 21:41:43   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Nickolai wrote:
Facing the truth isn't easy is it ?


Not if I gotta pussy! C,mon Nickolai!

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May 23, 2017 21:42:11   #
Nickolai
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Not only the greatest General, but a very great man with humility and loyalty and love for his fellow man. A lot more than anyone can say for the slob, General (and President) U.S.
Grant. Glad your family keeps his name alive. I have some Lees, too, and proud of it.






You go girl !

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May 23, 2017 21:55:24   #
Nickolai
 
cesspool jones wrote:
Explain how we got to 0% interest rates.






The same way the Japanese got there by painting ourselves in a corner with massive debt personal business and government. The central bank manipulates interest to encourage or discourage borrowing as the case may be, They have kept it low to stimulate borrowing and to reflate the economy as well re liquefy the banks that went under in 2008. The banks can borrow our savings meager as they are at less that one percent interest and loan at 5.5 to 6 % that's a five point spread when the historical spread is three points

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May 23, 2017 21:59:21   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Nickolai wrote:
The same way the Japanese got there by painting ourselves in a corner with massive debt personal business and government. The central bank manipulates interest to encourage or discourage borrowing as the case may be, They have kept it low to stimulate borrowing and to reflate the economy as well re liquefy the banks that went under in 2008. The banks can borrow our savings meager as they are at less that one percent interest and loan at 5.5 to 6 % that's a five point spread when the historical spread is three points
The same way the Japanese got there by painting ou... (show quote)


Just askin. I thought it was competition.

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May 23, 2017 22:06:34   #
Nickolai
 
Loki wrote:
You are a product of a public school. I rest my case.







I'm a product of self education School taught me reading, writing, and arithmetic, Woodshop, machine shop, and machine engineering. English was helpful but the history was virtually useless, dry and Eurocentric. My education in ancient history, paleontology, evolutionary biology, ecology, geology, anthropology, zoology, cosmology, and American history, history of the labor movement, and political movements are all from a life time of self education

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May 23, 2017 22:13:32   #
Nickolai
 
cesspool jones wrote:
last I knew Nickolai, Georgia was blue in the 90's.





Georgia politics in the 1990s was like a murky twilight zone with two galaxies spinning away from each other. On one side were the remains of the old Solid Democratic South, still dominant at the beginning of the decade but best glimpsed in ghosts and caricature-like light from vanished stars. On the other side: the Solid Republican South, gathering mass and best represented by Newt Gingrich.

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May 23, 2017 22:16:14   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Nickolai wrote:
Georgia politics in the 1990s was like a murky twilight zone with two galaxies spinning away from each other. On one side were the remains of the old Solid Democratic South, still dominant at the beginning of the decade but best glimpsed in ghosts and caricature-like light from vanished stars. On the other side: the Solid Republican South, gathering mass and best represented by Newt Gingrich.


try again.

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May 23, 2017 22:25:31   #
Nickolai
 
Loki wrote:
Whose estimate? The US is responsible for about 5% of the coal caused pollution in the world. I wonder who is responsible for the other 95%? More importantly, as the US contribution to coal related pollution shrinks, the other polluters have increased theirs. So you favor destroying a vital industry with nothing lined up to replace it, costing hundreds of thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars, because you don't like coal?
Where do you propose we get our power from? Now, not 200 years in the future.
Whose estimate? The US is responsible for about 5%... (show quote)





No I don't favor destroying an industry an industry with nothing lined up to replace it but Wind , wave action, and increasingly solar has been lining up for a long time and natural gas a plentiful and much cleaner burning fossil fuel and cheaper. China is the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases, having overtaken the United States in 2007, and was responsible for 27 percent of global emissions in 2014.

The country’s energy consumption has ballooned, with reports from late 2015 implying that it consumed up to 17 percent more coal than previously reported. In January 2013, Beijing experienced a prolonged bout of smog so severe that citizens dubbed it an “airpocalypse”; the concentration of hazardous particles was forty times the level deemed safe by the World Health Organization (WHO). In December 2015, Beijing issued red alerts for severe pollution—the first since the emergency alert system was established. The municipal government closed schools, limited road traffic, halted outdoor construction, and paused factory manufacturing. At least 80 percent of China’s 367 cities with real-time air quality monitoring failed to meet national small-particle pollution standards during the first three quarters of 2015, according to a Greenpeace East Asia report. In December 2015, the Asian Development Bank approved a $300 million loan to help China address the capital region’s choking smog.

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May 23, 2017 22:27:00   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Nickolai wrote:
No I don't favor destroying an industry an industry with nothing lined up to replace it but Wind , wave action, and increasingly solar has been lining up for a long time and natural gas a plentiful and much cleaner burning fossil fuel and cheaper. China is the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases, having overtaken the United States in 2007, and was responsible for 27 percent of global emissions in 2014.

The country’s energy consumption has ballooned, with reports from late 2015 implying that it consumed up to 17 percent more coal than previously reported. In January 2013, Beijing experienced a prolonged bout of smog so severe that citizens dubbed it an “airpocalypse”; the concentration of hazardous particles was forty times the level deemed safe by the World Health Organization (WHO). In December 2015, Beijing issued red alerts for severe pollution—the first since the emergency alert system was established. The municipal government closed schools, limited road traffic, halted outdoor construction, and paused factory manufacturing. At least 80 percent of China’s 367 cities with real-time air quality monitoring failed to meet national small-particle pollution standards during the first three quarters of 2015, according to a Greenpeace East Asia report. In December 2015, the Asian Development Bank approved a $300 million loan to help China address the capital region’s choking smog.
No I don't favor destroying an industry an industr... (show quote)


How you be know all dis shit?

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May 23, 2017 22:39:10   #
Nickolai
 
archie bunker wrote:
Your worldview differs from mine. Who is wrong? You? Or me?







If yours is conservative then you've been on the wrong side of history

My friends over at Americans Against the Tea Party put it best when they said, “What does it say about a movement whose brightest “stars” are the dimmest bulbs?” It says, laugh at them, pity them, but if you want to live in a modern nation of laws which evolves with the rest of the globe, for Heaven’s sake, DON’T look to them for ideas on how to operate a functioning society, since the only thing conservatives have been successful at is proving that everything they stand for is wrong.
Let’s imagine this scenario: You have an uncle…a loud, opinionated, uncle who’s thinly veiled racism and misogyny is only superseded by his not-so-thinly veiled hatred of gays. He says he’s a Christian, but never misses the opportunity to cheer for war and bloviate proudly about how merciless he is. He fights anything that has a hint of challenging his perceived position in the straight/white/male catbird seat, even if that seat came from the fact that the Liberals he hates fought for the Social Security, Medicare, etc. that allows him to live in dignity. He regales you with factually incorrect tales of American history, despite having never read a book in his life. He disdains “intellectuals,” and perceives science as a “liberal plot.” For as far back as you remember – and as far back as the family tree goes – he has been wrong about everything.

You must tolerate him because, after all, he’s family. But you certainly don’t follow his advice, and you certainly don’t look to him to shape government policy.
But in the United States today, as normal people (non-conservatives) try to undo the damage from conservative destruction and try to create a society that works for all, we are continuously met with the same old stories of the impending doom that awaits if we dare stop following CONS to hell. This opposition at every turn weaves the old, familiar tales of the American landscape being littered with gulags and mass graves from government death panels if we…say…dare offer health care as a right like the rest of the civilized world. We hear Paul Ryan tickle the oversized-amygdala (fear center) in the conservative brain, as he paints a picture of millions of lazy bums swinging in the cushy hammock of our social safety net which isn’t so cushy. We’re warned that rich people will stop trickling all those fabulous jobs on us if they are forced to contribute to the society that gave them so much. These are nothing but bald-faced lies from bald-faced liars who have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history.

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May 23, 2017 22:42:47   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Nickolai wrote:
If yours is conservative then you've been on the wrong side of history

My friends over at Americans Against the Tea Party put it best when they said, “What does it say about a movement whose brightest “stars” are the dimmest bulbs?” It says, laugh at them, pity them, but if you want to live in a modern nation of laws which evolves with the rest of the globe, for Heaven’s sake, DON’T look to them for ideas on how to operate a functioning society, since the only thing conservatives have been successful at is proving that everything they stand for is wrong.
Let’s imagine this scenario: You have an uncle…a loud, opinionated, uncle who’s thinly veiled racism and misogyny is only superseded by his not-so-thinly veiled hatred of gays. He says he’s a Christian, but never misses the opportunity to cheer for war and bloviate proudly about how merciless he is. He fights anything that has a hint of challenging his perceived position in the straight/white/male catbird seat, even if that seat came from the fact that the Liberals he hates fought for the Social Security, Medicare, etc. that allows him to live in dignity. He regales you with factually incorrect tales of American history, despite having never read a book in his life. He disdains “intellectuals,” and perceives science as a “liberal plot.” For as far back as you remember – and as far back as the family tree goes – he has been wrong about everything.

You must tolerate him because, after all, he’s family. But you certainly don’t follow his advice, and you certainly don’t look to him to shape government policy.
But in the United States today, as normal people (non-conservatives) try to undo the damage from conservative destruction and try to create a society that works for all, we are continuously met with the same old stories of the impending doom that awaits if we dare stop following CONS to hell. This opposition at every turn weaves the old, familiar tales of the American landscape being littered with gulags and mass graves from government death panels if we…say…dare offer health care as a right like the rest of the civilized world. We hear Paul Ryan tickle the oversized-amygdala (fear center) in the conservative brain, as he paints a picture of millions of lazy bums swinging in the cushy hammock of our social safety net which isn’t so cushy. We’re warned that rich people will stop trickling all those fabulous jobs on us if they are forced to contribute to the society that gave them so much. These are nothing but bald-faced lies from bald-faced liars who have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history.
If yours is conservative then you've been on the w... (show quote)


Now Nickolai, lemme get something straight here. Are we talking about bald-headed duckfarts with pimples?

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