WE CHOSE SUICIDE! As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, UNETHICAL CONDUCT, Literally shoot our political selves. A tragedy indeed and speaks little of us. Believe the lie...

roadster Loc: Arizona

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, UNETHICAL CONDUCT, Literally shoot our political selves. A tragedy indeed and speaks little of us. Believe the lie and always trust the lie, see what YOU are? I am not concerned with those Con-Artists leading in the three Branches of our government. I’m addressing those in our public or society who put them their position. Just a short few topics since I already wrote too much, no need to print a novel nobody will read.

14% of Illegal Immigrants voted in the last election? False! I researched daily for over a week and could NOT find any legitimate/credible source to support such a conclusion. I found many who said all sorts of percentages but none came with any credible proof. You cannot site something like “Bobs Blog” and expect such to be considered credible except by those without much gray-matter between their ears.

Wiretap campaign headquarters? False! Wasn't re-elected President Nixon part of that? It took amazingly little research in comparison to claim I’m finished researching this topic. All the credible and quotable sites did not support such a claim. LIE AGAIN! Having worked around our government seat in Washington, D.C. a few years I suspect mis-direction. Make a claim, true or false, to get everyone’s attention away from what really worries me. I’ve seen that a lot and never wanted or agreed to be part of such deception.

Birther question, Obama not born in the U.S.? False! I researched this one for over a year, I would say averaging once weekly. The newspaper printed Obamas’ birth and with help got a copy of the birth certificate weeks before such was released to the public. I’m so ashamed one person on this site claiming that since so much talk on the birther topic for so long that there must be something to it. That is the shame; what was “to it” was how people believed such lies and how they reacted. Those who call themselves “elite” in their smoke-filled rooms holding a glass with some alcohol beverage laughing at how the large amount of “gullible” do whatever they want with whatever lies “they” wish to communicate. The one making the claim the most for so many years knew the whole time such was a lie. He/she deliberately deceived as many an he/she could deceive. What does that say about you? You continue to believe him/her? Our government, our media, our country, all does not say much for you and I could hope most of the U.S. would not pay any attention to you and whoever is saying such lies. Yet, we still find that many individuals have their loyalty to a political party, to government, to the media that has lied to them so often. Patronize them and look what YOU have created. You created ancient Athens, Greece (keep reading because this writing is NOT for those who are in the choir rather it is for those who are not in the choir. A different opinion or belief.

Economy must be the one topic that proves just how gullible U.S. society has become! “Trickle-down” has NEVER worked for the majority of U.S. society and all you have to do is look at the history that most of us know of with our own eyes, we lived it. Example: A rich person opens a store (I don’t care if it is an Auto Parts store, grocery store or even some industrial factory making widgets) and that same person makes sure such is stocked (inventory including labor) to best serve the public. (Remember that part, public also said as our society.) If you have no customers then such a store or factory goes out of business. As a society we need permanent relief and not some temporary relief. Someone will say something extremely self-serving as YES we need the rich so they can open the store or start the factory. Think of what you just said then think of your own history! If that Rich person is taken out of the equation then he/she would be quickly replaced by many waiting in-line to be such a person. If you take-away the customers then there is nobody to take their place, NOBODY! Think honestly of the situation just described; those who conduct themselves in a manner to aid those without! The Auto Parts store for example: YOU need some auto part and they have it within a price range you can afford. If you want that automobile to operate then you need that auto part. Same with a grocery store or an industrial factory. YOU patronize, become a customer, of that store. You pay money for the part (groceries or widget) and everyone associated with that auto part prospers. Now you know Capitalism.

Pay or wages, should be a topic described within our economy. Since the topic is separate today it is smart to discuss it today. Do you honestly believe YOU work harder, smarter, better than anyone else? Really? WOW, what a bigot! You are saying you are better than that same person Protestant or any other religion, race, color, creed, etc. as the same area you are in. Ask yourself why did Wal-Mart spend so much money and effort to lobby Congress to raise the minimum wage all those years ago? Because the clearest majority of U.S. society (middle-class to poor) have more money to spend. YES, there is a TEMPORARY condition of adjusting cost of items to finances available, it’s called “Supple and Demand”. More money is collected by the store or factory with increased wages. Inventory increases, wages are paid and increased, the rich get richer. It is ONLY a self-serving attitude to make sure the rich have more and all those beneath them (in their eyes) does NOT matter. Ask yourself why those in all our Branches of government (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) deserve a wage increase and get such every year, more than once a year, including their staff, and nobody else “beneath them” deserves such an increase? Is it time to get out your pitchfork for the plutocracy?

Leaders? Come-on, give me a break! I’m referring to those elected into positions of Leadership, in this description our government based in Washington, D.C. The greatest majority elected are NOT leaders! You only have to listen to what “they” say to come to the conclusion that “they” are followers and not leaders. I was employed several years to walk the halls of our government. I think I just may know more than most of you on this topic. Shame those who really need to read this would have stopped long before now since such does not lay within their personal belief system. Do you hear what you might claim are strong substantial arguments of what the issue of a pay increase will do to all of us in this economy on a SHORT-TERM basis? Yes, most all the arguments are correct. Those arguments also apply to the politicians and their staff, but you see them getting a wage increase. I am here for the long-haul from birth to death like everyone else. I’m a firm believer than everything our national government does should also apply to themselves. No pay increase for them unless they did such a good job directing our country that all of us get a wage increase. This is NOT Fascism, Socialism, Communism or even Democracy, it is HUMANITY.

“Everything we say, everything we do is a direct result of your own personal ethics.” That is YOU, look in the mirror and what you see is most likely a person who will rationalize some reason to accept the unacceptable conduct. You finding a way to ignore and support a LIE hence making lying to you acceptable conduct! Such conduct also makes YOU a liar yourself. I would rather hire a thief than a liar who also steals something greater than personal property, they steal your trust. Of course, there are too many people in this Capitalistic society that “Worship” money rather than putting faith in themselves and others. I can understand not putting faith in others due to the unethical conduct of others, but that only means not to trust that person rather than not to trust the rest of humanity. Our first President, General George Washington, (we should have lost that war considering what General Washington had to work with) said not to believe anything your own government says, to expect them to be lying to you every word. This was the man who was doing the talking he was telling you NOT to believe. In essence, he wanted YOU to make sure he was telling the truth EVERY TIME. Once someone lies to me, I find it almost impossible to believe him/her ever again. If YOU believe that person who has lied to you then maybe you should have lived in that town where the boy cried wolf, you might have saved his life, though you would also be branded as naïve and gullible incapable of intelligent self-reflection.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! What did make us (the U.S.) great in the first place? In the later part of the 18th century (let’s say 1776 to 1787 & to 1791) it was us the U.S. that came-up with Democracy. A concept of Democracy was not original or new. We had a good example from ancient Greece (there are others but this is a good example). Athens, Greece did suffer greatly with disease, war and tyranny (tyrants imposing their own will upon the society of Athens) but what ended them was fear, bigotry, mis-directed rage and unethical conduct. The previous so-called political leaders of Athens were replaced with political followers (tell them what they want to hear is how you get elected). If someone tells you (or you believe) that anyone in such a national elected position as our Legislative or Executive Branches of our government must be liars or they cannot survive then YOU are the gullible one because DECEIT never is the best option. People do much better when they trust each other, support each other. Yesteryear, before the U.S. was these United States the British tried to make each of their colonies corporations and that conduct FAILED to a large degree. Did the British Colonies suffer? Yes due to all the same reasons, plus I guess since it is more recent in our minds than ancient Athens, Greece it means a bit more. The rich & affluent ruined things for the rest of us and we fought back. Yes, the U.S. is a revolutionary country. Bigotry, the white male land-owners and rich, thought of themselves as so much better than any other race. Remember the late 60’s and the whole 70’s? So many intellectual types saying they have hard evidence that “Black” people are less than white people. How stupid; who believed them need to share a portion of that stupidity. Anyone who has ever been in a real military combat situation will tell you with wholehearted honesty that you had better not think of your enemy as less than you (under-estimate) or you just may end-up dead! Remember the French and Indian War? The French Revolution? Justice system of the courts & Judges decisions were overruled by the appointed Governor. Don’t take me wrong, there are decisions of certain Judges today that are unethical and in contrast to our Constitution even from our Supreme Court (SCOTUS), i.e. Corporations are people, artificial people, such a decision only benefits certain affluent in our society. It is the “Rich and Affluent” that have been the enemies of societies throughout history, our history and that of everyone else. We (these United States) did care for one another at a time yesteryear, abuse one American (U.S. citizen) and you abuse us all. Sacrifice your ethics once and you hurt us all. We called it Compassion and Empathy. Those with much helped those with little. Is it a test of your ethics? Yes, of course as is all of your life! Such is NOT Communism, Fascism, Socialism even Democracy, it is HUMANITY! Though we have those who fall into the scientific description of Human, they clearly do not act Human, ethical. Do YOU really believe some politician announcing that a Health Care plan is better because someone who does NOT need medical care should NOT have to pay for those who do need medical care? Doomed to fail! Medical Insurance, Term Life Insurance, Auto Insurance, Government, Laws, Taxes think about it and you will come-up with many more examples. We pay taxes to a government and in return we get a military to protect us from those Unethical who wish to hurt us. We pay taxes to a government to pay the wages of those who make our laws and who we trust to lead our country in a direction of safety, security, progressiveness so we all can do better than those before us. Our own family! Don't you sacrifice for those you love? Don’t you work to earn a wage and hand such wage over so your loved ones (family) can live in a house, eat well, get educated, on and on. Such does NOT sound like a government to me and if YOU support such action then YOU should LOOK IN A MIRROR and see if you are part of Humanity or not! Why would we be intimidated by those who are smarter than YOU in some particular area? Remember the question of … since when has a tax-and-spend government ever worked? Ever since we became these United States! What a dummy saying such a thing. I, and everyone else, expect our government to spend our taxes, we just want our government to spend our taxes in a manner to aid ALL OF US.

I heard this somewhere, Eyes Open No Fear!

Rivers

roadster wrote:

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, UNETHICAL CONDUCT, Literally shoot our political selves. A tragedy indeed and speaks little of us. Believe the lie and always trust the lie, see what YOU are? I am not concerned with those Con-Artists leading in the three Branches of our government. I’m addressing those in our public or society who put them their position. Just a short few topics since I already wrote too much, no need to print a novel nobody will read.

14% of Illegal Immigrants voted in the last election? False! I researched daily for over a week and could NOT find any legitimate/credible source to support such a conclusion. I found many who said all sorts of percentages but none came with any credible proof. You cannot site something like “Bobs Blog” and expect such to be considered credible except by those without much gray-matter between their ears.

Wiretap campaign headquarters? False! Wasn't re-elected President Nixon part of that? It took amazingly little research in comparison to claim I’m finished researching this topic. All the credible and quotable sites did not support such a claim. LIE AGAIN! Having worked around our government seat in Washington, D.C. a few years I suspect mis-direction. Make a claim, true or false, to get everyone’s attention away from what really worries me. I’ve seen that a lot and never wanted or agreed to be part of such deception.

Birther question, Obama not born in the U.S.? False! I researched this one for over a year, I would say averaging once weekly. The newspaper printed Obamas’ birth and with help got a copy of the birth certificate weeks before such was released to the public. I’m so ashamed one person on this site claiming that since so much talk on the birther topic for so long that there must be something to it. That is the shame; what was “to it” was how people believed such lies and how they reacted. Those who call themselves “elite” in their smoke-filled rooms holding a glass with some alcohol beverage laughing at how the large amount of “gullible” do whatever they want with whatever lies “they” wish to communicate. The one making the claim the most for so many years knew the whole time such was a lie. He/she deliberately deceived as many an he/she could deceive. What does that say about you? You continue to believe him/her? Our government, our media, our country, all does not say much for you and I could hope most of the U.S. would not pay any attention to you and whoever is saying such lies. Yet, we still find that many individuals have their loyalty to a political party, to government, to the media that has lied to them so often. Patronize them and look what YOU have created. You created ancient Athens, Greece (keep reading because this writing is NOT for those who are in the choir rather it is for those who are not in the choir. A different opinion or belief.

Economy must be the one topic that proves just how gullible U.S. society has become! “Trickle-down” has NEVER worked for the majority of U.S. society and all you have to do is look at the history that most of us know of with our own eyes, we lived it. Example: A rich person opens a store (I don’t care if it is an Auto Parts store, grocery store or even some industrial factory making widgets) and that same person makes sure such is stocked (inventory including labor) to best serve the public. (Remember that part, public also said as our society.) If you have no customers then such a store or factory goes out of business. As a society we need permanent relief and not some temporary relief. Someone will say something extremely self-serving as YES we need the rich so they can open the store or start the factory. Think of what you just said then think of your own history! If that Rich person is taken out of the equation then he/she would be quickly replaced by many waiting in-line to be such a person. If you take-away the customers then there is nobody to take their place, NOBODY! Think honestly of the situation just described; those who conduct themselves in a manner to aid those without! The Auto Parts store for example: YOU need some auto part and they have it within a price range you can afford. If you want that automobile to operate then you need that auto part. Same with a grocery store or an industrial factory. YOU patronize, become a customer, of that store. You pay money for the part (groceries or widget) and everyone associated with that auto part prospers. Now you know Capitalism.

Pay or wages, should be a topic described within our economy. Since the topic is separate today it is smart to discuss it today. Do you honestly believe YOU work harder, smarter, better than anyone else? Really? WOW, what a bigot! You are saying you are better than that same person Protestant or any other religion, race, color, creed, etc. as the same area you are in. Ask yourself why did Wal-Mart spend so much money and effort to lobby Congress to raise the minimum wage all those years ago? Because the clearest majority of U.S. society (middle-class to poor) have more money to spend. YES, there is a TEMPORARY condition of adjusting cost of items to finances available, it’s called “Supple and Demand”. More money is collected by the store or factory with increased wages. Inventory increases, wages are paid and increased, the rich get richer. It is ONLY a self-serving attitude to make sure the rich have more and all those beneath them (in their eyes) does NOT matter. Ask yourself why those in all our Branches of government (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) deserve a wage increase and get such every year, more than once a year, including their staff, and nobody else “beneath them” deserves such an increase? Is it time to get out your pitchfork for the plutocracy?

Leaders? Come-on, give me a break! I’m referring to those elected into positions of Leadership, in this description our government based in Washington, D.C. The greatest majority elected are NOT leaders! You only have to listen to what “they” say to come to the conclusion that “they” are followers and not leaders. I was employed several years to walk the halls of our government. I think I just may know more than most of you on this topic. Shame those who really need to read this would have stopped long before now since such does not lay within their personal belief system. Do you hear what you might claim are strong substantial arguments of what the issue of a pay increase will do to all of us in this economy on a SHORT-TERM basis? Yes, most all the arguments are correct. Those arguments also apply to the politicians and their staff, but you see them getting a wage increase. I am here for the long-haul from birth to death like everyone else. I’m a firm believer than everything our national government does should also apply to themselves. No pay increase for them unless they did such a good job directing our country that all of us get a wage increase. This is NOT Fascism, Socialism, Communism or even Democracy, it is HUMANITY.

“Everything we say, everything we do is a direct result of your own personal ethics.” That is YOU, look in the mirror and what you see is most likely a person who will rationalize some reason to accept the unacceptable conduct. You finding a way to ignore and support a LIE hence making lying to you acceptable conduct! Such conduct also makes YOU a liar yourself. I would rather hire a thief than a liar who also steals something greater than personal property, they steal your trust. Of course, there are too many people in this Capitalistic society that “Worship” money rather than putting faith in themselves and others. I can understand not putting faith in others due to the unethical conduct of others, but that only means not to trust that person rather than not to trust the rest of humanity. Our first President, General George Washington, (we should have lost that war considering what General Washington had to work with) said not to believe anything your own government says, to expect them to be lying to you every word. This was the man who was doing the talking he was telling you NOT to believe. In essence, he wanted YOU to make sure he was telling the truth EVERY TIME. Once someone lies to me, I find it almost impossible to believe him/her ever again. If YOU believe that person who has lied to you then maybe you should have lived in that town where the boy cried wolf, you might have saved his life, though you would also be branded as naïve and gullible incapable of intelligent self-reflection.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! What did make us (the U.S.) great in the first place? In the later part of the 18th century (let’s say 1776 to 1787 & to 1791) it was us the U.S. that came-up with Democracy. A concept of Democracy was not original or new. We had a good example from ancient Greece (there are others but this is a good example). Athens, Greece did suffer greatly with disease, war and tyranny (tyrants imposing their own will upon the society of Athens) but what ended them was fear, bigotry, mis-directed rage and unethical conduct. The previous so-called political leaders of Athens were replaced with political followers (tell them what they want to hear is how you get elected). If someone tells you (or you believe) that anyone in such a national elected position as our Legislative or Executive Branches of our government must be liars or they cannot survive then YOU are the gullible one because DECEIT never is the best option. People do much better when they trust each other, support each other. Yesteryear, before the U.S. was these United States the British tried to make each of their colonies corporations and that conduct FAILED to a large degree. Did the British Colonies suffer? Yes due to all the same reasons, plus I guess since it is more recent in our minds than ancient Athens, Greece it means a bit more. The rich & affluent ruined things for the rest of us and we fought back. Yes, the U.S. is a revolutionary country. Bigotry, the white male land-owners and rich, thought of themselves as so much better than any other race. Remember the late 60’s and the whole 70’s? So many intellectual types saying they have hard evidence that “Black” people are less than white people. How stupid; who believed them need to share a portion of that stupidity. Anyone who has ever been in a real military combat situation will tell you with wholehearted honesty that you had better not think of your enemy as less than you (under-estimate) or you just may end-up dead! Remember the French and Indian War? The French Revolution? Justice system of the courts & Judges decisions were overruled by the appointed Governor. Don’t take me wrong, there are decisions of certain Judges today that are unethical and in contrast to our Constitution even from our Supreme Court (SCOTUS), i.e. Corporations are people, artificial people, such a decision only benefits certain affluent in our society. It is the “Rich and Affluent” that have been the enemies of societies throughout history, our history and that of everyone else. We (these United States) did care for one another at a time yesteryear, abuse one American (U.S. citizen) and you abuse us all. Sacrifice your ethics once and you hurt us all. We called it Compassion and Empathy. Those with much helped those with little. Is it a test of your ethics? Yes, of course as is all of your life! Such is NOT Communism, Fascism, Socialism even Democracy, it is HUMANITY! Though we have those who fall into the scientific description of Human, they clearly do not act Human, ethical. Do YOU really believe some politician announcing that a Health Care plan is better because someone who does NOT need medical care should NOT have to pay for those who do need medical care? Doomed to fail! Medical Insurance, Term Life Insurance, Auto Insurance, Government, Laws, Taxes think about it and you will come-up with many more examples. We pay taxes to a government and in return we get a military to protect us from those Unethical who wish to hurt us. We pay taxes to a government to pay the wages of those who make our laws and who we trust to lead our country in a direction of safety, security, progressiveness so we all can do better than those before us. Our own family! Don't you sacrifice for those you love? Don’t you work to earn a wage and hand such wage over so your loved ones (family) can live in a house, eat well, get educated, on and on. Such does NOT sound like a government to me and if YOU support such action then YOU should LOOK IN A MIRROR and see if you are part of Humanity or not! Why would we be intimidated by those who are smarter than YOU in some particular area? Remember the question of … since when has a tax-and-spend government ever worked? Ever since we became these United States! What a dummy saying such a thing. I, and everyone else, expect our government to spend our taxes, we just want our government to spend our taxes in a manner to aid ALL OF US.

I heard this somewhere, Eyes Open No Fear!

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Pure 100% leftist bullshit and ignorance!

robmull Loc: florida

Rivers wrote:

Pure 100% leftist bullshit and ignorance!

They are in a cold, cold sweat, Rivers. Even the "left" coast, California, "TRUMPSTERS" are showing-up at pro-sanctuary city meetings, in mass, standing-up, and tearing the sanctuary proposals to shreds in front of the "lefty's" who are proposing the anti-American nonsense. "WE" surround THEM, and have started to amass in larger numbers than the usual radical liberal progressive activists. The entire radical secular liberal progressive Marx/Alinsky cabal (D), are now laying all over the tracks that our "TRUMP TRAIN," (R), is on, and "THE TRAIN," is coming-(D)own the shiny tracks, bigger and stronger and faster than any conservative movement in the history of mankind; AND THEY CAN'T STAND IT!!! And everything they have tried to do to (D)eligitimize MR./President Trump (R), for more than 2 years, has not only failed, but actually backfired all-over their stinkin' anti-American liberal progressive radical Marx/Alinsky asses!!! Hummmmmm. What IS that "crushing" noise I keep hearing??? GOOOOOOOOOOO REP. TREY GOWDY (R), and, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN/"GOOD SHEPHERD"} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE {THANK GOD} THE WEATHER!!! The "lefty" "swamp," is now being infested with "TRUMPSTERS" (R), and "WE THE PEOPLE" (R), and I can hear the "suction" from here!!!

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Really ??? And not a single source roadkill ????? Guess we should " take your word on it " really ???? nice try ! now go pull your trash can from the street before the neighbor kids back over them ..

roadster wrote:

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, UNETHICAL CONDUCT, Literally shoot our political selves. A tragedy indeed and speaks little of us. Believe the lie and always trust the lie, see what YOU are? I am not concerned with those Con-Artists leading in the three Branches of our government. I’m addressing those in our public or society who put them their position. Just a short few topics since I already wrote too much, no need to print a novel nobody will read.

14% of Illegal Immigrants voted in the last election? False! I researched daily for over a week and could NOT find any legitimate/credible source to support such a conclusion. I found many who said all sorts of percentages but none came with any credible proof. You cannot site something like “Bobs Blog” and expect such to be considered credible except by those without much gray-matter between their ears.

Wiretap campaign headquarters? False! Wasn't re-elected President Nixon part of that? It took amazingly little research in comparison to claim I’m finished researching this topic. All the credible and quotable sites did not support such a claim. LIE AGAIN! Having worked around our government seat in Washington, D.C. a few years I suspect mis-direction. Make a claim, true or false, to get everyone’s attention away from what really worries me. I’ve seen that a lot and never wanted or agreed to be part of such deception.

Birther question, Obama not born in the U.S.? False! I researched this one for over a year, I would say averaging once weekly. The newspaper printed Obamas’ birth and with help got a copy of the birth certificate weeks before such was released to the public. I’m so ashamed one person on this site claiming that since so much talk on the birther topic for so long that there must be something to it. That is the shame; what was “to it” was how people believed such lies and how they reacted. Those who call themselves “elite” in their smoke-filled rooms holding a glass with some alcohol beverage laughing at how the large amount of “gullible” do whatever they want with whatever lies “they” wish to communicate. The one making the claim the most for so many years knew the whole time such was a lie. He/she deliberately deceived as many an he/she could deceive. What does that say about you? You continue to believe him/her? Our government, our media, our country, all does not say much for you and I could hope most of the U.S. would not pay any attention to you and whoever is saying such lies. Yet, we still find that many individuals have their loyalty to a political party, to government, to the media that has lied to them so often. Patronize them and look what YOU have created. You created ancient Athens, Greece (keep reading because this writing is NOT for those who are in the choir rather it is for those who are not in the choir. A different opinion or belief.

Economy must be the one topic that proves just how gullible U.S. society has become! “Trickle-down” has NEVER worked for the majority of U.S. society and all you have to do is look at the history that most of us know of with our own eyes, we lived it. Example: A rich person opens a store (I don’t care if it is an Auto Parts store, grocery store or even some industrial factory making widgets) and that same person makes sure such is stocked (inventory including labor) to best serve the public. (Remember that part, public also said as our society.) If you have no customers then such a store or factory goes out of business. As a society we need permanent relief and not some temporary relief. Someone will say something extremely self-serving as YES we need the rich so they can open the store or start the factory. Think of what you just said then think of your own history! If that Rich person is taken out of the equation then he/she would be quickly replaced by many waiting in-line to be such a person. If you take-away the customers then there is nobody to take their place, NOBODY! Think honestly of the situation just described; those who conduct themselves in a manner to aid those without! The Auto Parts store for example: YOU need some auto part and they have it within a price range you can afford. If you want that automobile to operate then you need that auto part. Same with a grocery store or an industrial factory. YOU patronize, become a customer, of that store. You pay money for the part (groceries or widget) and everyone associated with that auto part prospers. Now you know Capitalism.

Pay or wages, should be a topic described within our economy. Since the topic is separate today it is smart to discuss it today. Do you honestly believe YOU work harder, smarter, better than anyone else? Really? WOW, what a bigot! You are saying you are better than that same person Protestant or any other religion, race, color, creed, etc. as the same area you are in. Ask yourself why did Wal-Mart spend so much money and effort to lobby Congress to raise the minimum wage all those years ago? Because the clearest majority of U.S. society (middle-class to poor) have more money to spend. YES, there is a TEMPORARY condition of adjusting cost of items to finances available, it’s called “Supple and Demand”. More money is collected by the store or factory with increased wages. Inventory increases, wages are paid and increased, the rich get richer. It is ONLY a self-serving attitude to make sure the rich have more and all those beneath them (in their eyes) does NOT matter. Ask yourself why those in all our Branches of government (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) deserve a wage increase and get such every year, more than once a year, including their staff, and nobody else “beneath them” deserves such an increase? Is it time to get out your pitchfork for the plutocracy?

Leaders? Come-on, give me a break! I’m referring to those elected into positions of Leadership, in this description our government based in Washington, D.C. The greatest majority elected are NOT leaders! You only have to listen to what “they” say to come to the conclusion that “they” are followers and not leaders. I was employed several years to walk the halls of our government. I think I just may know more than most of you on this topic. Shame those who really need to read this would have stopped long before now since such does not lay within their personal belief system. Do you hear what you might claim are strong substantial arguments of what the issue of a pay increase will do to all of us in this economy on a SHORT-TERM basis? Yes, most all the arguments are correct. Those arguments also apply to the politicians and their staff, but you see them getting a wage increase. I am here for the long-haul from birth to death like everyone else. I’m a firm believer than everything our national government does should also apply to themselves. No pay increase for them unless they did such a good job directing our country that all of us get a wage increase. This is NOT Fascism, Socialism, Communism or even Democracy, it is HUMANITY.

“Everything we say, everything we do is a direct result of your own personal ethics.” That is YOU, look in the mirror and what you see is most likely a person who will rationalize some reason to accept the unacceptable conduct. You finding a way to ignore and support a LIE hence making lying to you acceptable conduct! Such conduct also makes YOU a liar yourself. I would rather hire a thief than a liar who also steals something greater than personal property, they steal your trust. Of course, there are too many people in this Capitalistic society that “Worship” money rather than putting faith in themselves and others. I can understand not putting faith in others due to the unethical conduct of others, but that only means not to trust that person rather than not to trust the rest of humanity. Our first President, General George Washington, (we should have lost that war considering what General Washington had to work with) said not to believe anything your own government says, to expect them to be lying to you every word. This was the man who was doing the talking he was telling you NOT to believe. In essence, he wanted YOU to make sure he was telling the truth EVERY TIME. Once someone lies to me, I find it almost impossible to believe him/her ever again. If YOU believe that person who has lied to you then maybe you should have lived in that town where the boy cried wolf, you might have saved his life, though you would also be branded as naïve and gullible incapable of intelligent self-reflection.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! What did make us (the U.S.) great in the first place? In the later part of the 18th century (let’s say 1776 to 1787 & to 1791) it was us the U.S. that came-up with Democracy. A concept of Democracy was not original or new. We had a good example from ancient Greece (there are others but this is a good example). Athens, Greece did suffer greatly with disease, war and tyranny (tyrants imposing their own will upon the society of Athens) but what ended them was fear, bigotry, mis-directed rage and unethical conduct. The previous so-called political leaders of Athens were replaced with political followers (tell them what they want to hear is how you get elected). If someone tells you (or you believe) that anyone in such a national elected position as our Legislative or Executive Branches of our government must be liars or they cannot survive then YOU are the gullible one because DECEIT never is the best option. People do much better when they trust each other, support each other. Yesteryear, before the U.S. was these United States the British tried to make each of their colonies corporations and that conduct FAILED to a large degree. Did the British Colonies suffer? Yes due to all the same reasons, plus I guess since it is more recent in our minds than ancient Athens, Greece it means a bit more. The rich & affluent ruined things for the rest of us and we fought back. Yes, the U.S. is a revolutionary country. Bigotry, the white male land-owners and rich, thought of themselves as so much better than any other race. Remember the late 60’s and the whole 70’s? So many intellectual types saying they have hard evidence that “Black” people are less than white people. How stupid; who believed them need to share a portion of that stupidity. Anyone who has ever been in a real military combat situation will tell you with wholehearted honesty that you had better not think of your enemy as less than you (under-estimate) or you just may end-up dead! Remember the French and Indian War? The French Revolution? Justice system of the courts & Judges decisions were overruled by the appointed Governor. Don’t take me wrong, there are decisions of certain Judges today that are unethical and in contrast to our Constitution even from our Supreme Court (SCOTUS), i.e. Corporations are people, artificial people, such a decision only benefits certain affluent in our society. It is the “Rich and Affluent” that have been the enemies of societies throughout history, our history and that of everyone else. We (these United States) did care for one another at a time yesteryear, abuse one American (U.S. citizen) and you abuse us all. Sacrifice your ethics once and you hurt us all. We called it Compassion and Empathy. Those with much helped those with little. Is it a test of your ethics? Yes, of course as is all of your life! Such is NOT Communism, Fascism, Socialism even Democracy, it is HUMANITY! Though we have those who fall into the scientific description of Human, they clearly do not act Human, ethical. Do YOU really believe some politician announcing that a Health Care plan is better because someone who does NOT need medical care should NOT have to pay for those who do need medical care? Doomed to fail! Medical Insurance, Term Life Insurance, Auto Insurance, Government, Laws, Taxes think about it and you will come-up with many more examples. We pay taxes to a government and in return we get a military to protect us from those Unethical who wish to hurt us. We pay taxes to a government to pay the wages of those who make our laws and who we trust to lead our country in a direction of safety, security, progressiveness so we all can do better than those before us. Our own family! Don't you sacrifice for those you love? Don’t you work to earn a wage and hand such wage over so your loved ones (family) can live in a house, eat well, get educated, on and on. Such does NOT sound like a government to me and if YOU support such action then YOU should LOOK IN A MIRROR and see if you are part of Humanity or not! Why would we be intimidated by those who are smarter than YOU in some particular area? Remember the question of … since when has a tax-and-spend government ever worked? Ever since we became these United States! What a dummy saying such a thing. I, and everyone else, expect our government to spend our taxes, we just want our government to spend our taxes in a manner to aid ALL OF US.

I heard this somewhere, Eyes Open No Fear!

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, U... (show quote)

robmull Loc: florida

reconreb wrote:

Really ??? And not a single source roadkill ????? Guess we should " take your word on it " really ???? nice try ! now go pull your trash can from the street before the neighbor kids back over them ..

"Cold, cold sweat, recon. Cold, cold sweat!!! "And the radical movement can't go back," {"Rules for Radicals"}, and have now been stopped (D)ead in-their-tracks; right in-front of the "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AND SAFE AGAIN," (R)apidly growing "TRUMP TRAIN" (R's), unwavering, conservative, patriotic, constitutionalist agenda. TOOOOOT-TOOOOOT!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REP. TREY GOWDY (R), and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN/"GOOD SHEPHERD"} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE {THANK GOD} THE WEATHER!!!

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Wow!! Nice lecture. Feel better now?

pafret Loc: Northeast

roadster wrote:

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, UNETHICAL CONDUCT, Literally shoot our political selves. A tragedy indeed and speaks little of us. Believe the lie and always trust the lie, see what YOU are? I am not concerned with those Con-Artists leading in the three Branches of our government. I’m addressing those in our public or society who put them their position. Just a short few topics since I already wrote too much, no need to print a novel nobody will read.

14% of Illegal Immigrants voted in the last election? False! I researched daily for over a week and could NOT find any legitimate/credible source to support such a conclusion. I found many who said all sorts of percentages but none came with any credible proof. You cannot site something like “Bobs Blog” and expect such to be considered credible except by those without much gray-matter between their ears.

Wiretap campaign headquarters? False! Wasn't re-elected President Nixon part of that? It took amazingly little research in comparison to claim I’m finished researching this topic. All the credible and quotable sites did not support such a claim. LIE AGAIN! Having worked around our government seat in Washington, D.C. a few years I suspect mis-direction. Make a claim, true or false, to get everyone’s attention away from what really worries me. I’ve seen that a lot and never wanted or agreed to be part of such deception.

Birther question, Obama not born in the U.S.? False! I researched this one for over a year, I would say averaging once weekly. The newspaper printed Obamas’ birth and with help got a copy of the birth certificate weeks before such was released to the public. I’m so ashamed one person on this site claiming that since so much talk on the birther topic for so long that there must be something to it. That is the shame; what was “to it” was how people believed such lies and how they reacted. Those who call themselves “elite” in their smoke-filled rooms holding a glass with some alcohol beverage laughing at how the large amount of “gullible” do whatever they want with whatever lies “they” wish to communicate. The one making the claim the most for so many years knew the whole time such was a lie. He/she deliberately deceived as many an he/she could deceive. What does that say about you? You continue to believe him/her? Our government, our media, our country, all does not say much for you and I could hope most of the U.S. would not pay any attention to you and whoever is saying such lies. Yet, we still find that many individuals have their loyalty to a political party, to government, to the media that has lied to them so often. Patronize them and look what YOU have created. You created ancient Athens, Greece (keep reading because this writing is NOT for those who are in the choir rather it is for those who are not in the choir. A different opinion or belief.

Economy must be the one topic that proves just how gullible U.S. society has become! “Trickle-down” has NEVER worked for the majority of U.S. society and all you have to do is look at the history that most of us know of with our own eyes, we lived it. Example: A rich person opens a store (I don’t care if it is an Auto Parts store, grocery store or even some industrial factory making widgets) and that same person makes sure such is stocked (inventory including labor) to best serve the public. (Remember that part, public also said as our society.) If you have no customers then such a store or factory goes out of business. As a society we need permanent relief and not some temporary relief. Someone will say something extremely self-serving as YES we need the rich so they can open the store or start the factory. Think of what you just said then think of your own history! If that Rich person is taken out of the equation then he/she would be quickly replaced by many waiting in-line to be such a person. If you take-away the customers then there is nobody to take their place, NOBODY! Think honestly of the situation just described; those who conduct themselves in a manner to aid those without! The Auto Parts store for example: YOU need some auto part and they have it within a price range you can afford. If you want that automobile to operate then you need that auto part. Same with a grocery store or an industrial factory. YOU patronize, become a customer, of that store. You pay money for the part (groceries or widget) and everyone associated with that auto part prospers. Now you know Capitalism.

Pay or wages, should be a topic described within our economy. Since the topic is separate today it is smart to discuss it today. Do you honestly believe YOU work harder, smarter, better than anyone else? Really? WOW, what a bigot! You are saying you are better than that same person Protestant or any other religion, race, color, creed, etc. as the same area you are in. Ask yourself why did Wal-Mart spend so much money and effort to lobby Congress to raise the minimum wage all those years ago? Because the clearest majority of U.S. society (middle-class to poor) have more money to spend. YES, there is a TEMPORARY condition of adjusting cost of items to finances available, it’s called “Supple and Demand”. More money is collected by the store or factory with increased wages. Inventory increases, wages are paid and increased, the rich get richer. It is ONLY a self-serving attitude to make sure the rich have more and all those beneath them (in their eyes) does NOT matter. Ask yourself why those in all our Branches of government (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) deserve a wage increase and get such every year, more than once a year, including their staff, and nobody else “beneath them” deserves such an increase? Is it time to get out your pitchfork for the plutocracy?

Leaders? Come-on, give me a break! I’m referring to those elected into positions of Leadership, in this description our government based in Washington, D.C. The greatest majority elected are NOT leaders! You only have to listen to what “they” say to come to the conclusion that “they” are followers and not leaders. I was employed several years to walk the halls of our government. I think I just may know more than most of you on this topic. Shame those who really need to read this would have stopped long before now since such does not lay within their personal belief system. Do you hear what you might claim are strong substantial arguments of what the issue of a pay increase will do to all of us in this economy on a SHORT-TERM basis? Yes, most all the arguments are correct. Those arguments also apply to the politicians and their staff, but you see them getting a wage increase. I am here for the long-haul from birth to death like everyone else. I’m a firm believer than everything our national government does should also apply to themselves. No pay increase for them unless they did such a good job directing our country that all of us get a wage increase. This is NOT Fascism, Socialism, Communism or even Democracy, it is HUMANITY.

“Everything we say, everything we do is a direct result of your own personal ethics.” That is YOU, look in the mirror and what you see is most likely a person who will rationalize some reason to accept the unacceptable conduct. You finding a way to ignore and support a LIE hence making lying to you acceptable conduct! Such conduct also makes YOU a liar yourself. I would rather hire a thief than a liar who also steals something greater than personal property, they steal your trust. Of course, there are too many people in this Capitalistic society that “Worship” money rather than putting faith in themselves and others. I can understand not putting faith in others due to the unethical conduct of others, but that only means not to trust that person rather than not to trust the rest of humanity. Our first President, General George Washington, (we should have lost that war considering what General Washington had to work with) said not to believe anything your own government says, to expect them to be lying to you every word. This was the man who was doing the talking he was telling you NOT to believe. In essence, he wanted YOU to make sure he was telling the truth EVERY TIME. Once someone lies to me, I find it almost impossible to believe him/her ever again. If YOU believe that person who has lied to you then maybe you should have lived in that town where the boy cried wolf, you might have saved his life, though you would also be branded as naïve and gullible incapable of intelligent self-reflection.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! What did make us (the U.S.) great in the first place? In the later part of the 18th century (let’s say 1776 to 1787 & to 1791) it was us the U.S. that came-up with Democracy. A concept of Democracy was not original or new. We had a good example from ancient Greece (there are others but this is a good example). Athens, Greece did suffer greatly with disease, war and tyranny (tyrants imposing their own will upon the society of Athens) but what ended them was fear, bigotry, mis-directed rage and unethical conduct. The previous so-called political leaders of Athens were replaced with political followers (tell them what they want to hear is how you get elected). If someone tells you (or you believe) that anyone in such a national elected position as our Legislative or Executive Branches of our government must be liars or they cannot survive then YOU are the gullible one because DECEIT never is the best option. People do much better when they trust each other, support each other. Yesteryear, before the U.S. was these United States the British tried to make each of their colonies corporations and that conduct FAILED to a large degree. Did the British Colonies suffer? Yes due to all the same reasons, plus I guess since it is more recent in our minds than ancient Athens, Greece it means a bit more. The rich & affluent ruined things for the rest of us and we fought back. Yes, the U.S. is a revolutionary country. Bigotry, the white male land-owners and rich, thought of themselves as so much better than any other race. Remember the late 60’s and the whole 70’s? So many intellectual types saying they have hard evidence that “Black” people are less than white people. How stupid; who believed them need to share a portion of that stupidity. Anyone who has ever been in a real military combat situation will tell you with wholehearted honesty that you had better not think of your enemy as less than you (under-estimate) or you just may end-up dead! Remember the French and Indian War? The French Revolution? Justice system of the courts & Judges decisions were overruled by the appointed Governor. Don’t take me wrong, there are decisions of certain Judges today that are unethical and in contrast to our Constitution even from our Supreme Court (SCOTUS), i.e. Corporations are people, artificial people, such a decision only benefits certain affluent in our society. It is the “Rich and Affluent” that have been the enemies of societies throughout history, our history and that of everyone else. We (these United States) did care for one another at a time yesteryear, abuse one American (U.S. citizen) and you abuse us all. Sacrifice your ethics once and you hurt us all. We called it Compassion and Empathy. Those with much helped those with little. Is it a test of your ethics? Yes, of course as is all of your life! Such is NOT Communism, Fascism, Socialism even Democracy, it is HUMANITY! Though we have those who fall into the scientific description of Human, they clearly do not act Human, ethical. Do YOU really believe some politician announcing that a Health Care plan is better because someone who does NOT need medical care should NOT have to pay for those who do need medical care? Doomed to fail! Medical Insurance, Term Life Insurance, Auto Insurance, Government, Laws, Taxes think about it and you will come-up with many more examples. We pay taxes to a government and in return we get a military to protect us from those Unethical who wish to hurt us. We pay taxes to a government to pay the wages of those who make our laws and who we trust to lead our country in a direction of safety, security, progressiveness so we all can do better than those before us. Our own family! Don't you sacrifice for those you love? Don’t you work to earn a wage and hand such wage over so your loved ones (family) can live in a house, eat well, get educated, on and on. Such does NOT sound like a government to me and if YOU support such action then YOU should LOOK IN A MIRROR and see if you are part of Humanity or not! Why would we be intimidated by those who are smarter than YOU in some particular area? Remember the question of … since when has a tax-and-spend government ever worked? Ever since we became these United States! What a dummy saying such a thing. I, and everyone else, expect our government to spend our taxes, we just want our government to spend our taxes in a manner to aid ALL OF US.

I heard this somewhere, Eyes Open No Fear!

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, U... (show quote)

Are you smoking, drinking, mainlining or snorting whatever you are on? Whatever it is I don't want any.

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

robmull wrote:

"Cold, cold sweat, recon. Cold, cold sweat!!... (show quote)

Simple man ,, simple truth !!

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

roadster wrote:

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, UNETHICAL CONDUCT, Literally shoot our political selves. A tragedy indeed and speaks little of us. Believe the lie and always trust the lie, see what YOU are? I am not concerned with those Con-Artists leading in the three Branches of our government. I’m addressing those in our public or society who put them their position. Just a short few topics since I already wrote too much, no need to print a novel nobody will read.

14% of Illegal Immigrants voted in the last election? False! I researched daily for over a week and could NOT find any legitimate/credible source to support such a conclusion. I found many who said all sorts of percentages but none came with any credible proof. You cannot site something like “Bobs Blog” and expect such to be considered credible except by those without much gray-matter between their ears.

Wiretap campaign headquarters? False! Wasn't re-elected President Nixon part of that? It took amazingly little research in comparison to claim I’m finished researching this topic. All the credible and quotable sites did not support such a claim. LIE AGAIN! Having worked around our government seat in Washington, D.C. a few years I suspect mis-direction. Make a claim, true or false, to get everyone’s attention away from what really worries me. I’ve seen that a lot and never wanted or agreed to be part of such deception.

Birther question, Obama not born in the U.S.? False! I researched this one for over a year, I would say averaging once weekly. The newspaper printed Obamas’ birth and with help got a copy of the birth certificate weeks before such was released to the public. I’m so ashamed one person on this site claiming that since so much talk on the birther topic for so long that there must be something to it. That is the shame; what was “to it” was how people believed such lies and how they reacted. Those who call themselves “elite” in their smoke-filled rooms holding a glass with some alcohol beverage laughing at how the large amount of “gullible” do whatever they want with whatever lies “they” wish to communicate. The one making the claim the most for so many years knew the whole time such was a lie. He/she deliberately deceived as many an he/she could deceive. What does that say about you? You continue to believe him/her? Our government, our media, our country, all does not say much for you and I could hope most of the U.S. would not pay any attention to you and whoever is saying such lies. Yet, we still find that many individuals have their loyalty to a political party, to government, to the media that has lied to them so often. Patronize them and look what YOU have created. You created ancient Athens, Greece (keep reading because this writing is NOT for those who are in the choir rather it is for those who are not in the choir. A different opinion or belief.

Economy must be the one topic that proves just how gullible U.S. society has become! “Trickle-down” has NEVER worked for the majority of U.S. society and all you have to do is look at the history that most of us know of with our own eyes, we lived it. Example: A rich person opens a store (I don’t care if it is an Auto Parts store, grocery store or even some industrial factory making widgets) and that same person makes sure such is stocked (inventory including labor) to best serve the public. (Remember that part, public also said as our society.) If you have no customers then such a store or factory goes out of business. As a society we need permanent relief and not some temporary relief. Someone will say something extremely self-serving as YES we need the rich so they can open the store or start the factory. Think of what you just said then think of your own history! If that Rich person is taken out of the equation then he/she would be quickly replaced by many waiting in-line to be such a person. If you take-away the customers then there is nobody to take their place, NOBODY! Think honestly of the situation just described; those who conduct themselves in a manner to aid those without! The Auto Parts store for example: YOU need some auto part and they have it within a price range you can afford. If you want that automobile to operate then you need that auto part. Same with a grocery store or an industrial factory. YOU patronize, become a customer, of that store. You pay money for the part (groceries or widget) and everyone associated with that auto part prospers. Now you know Capitalism.

Pay or wages, should be a topic described within our economy. Since the topic is separate today it is smart to discuss it today. Do you honestly believe YOU work harder, smarter, better than anyone else? Really? WOW, what a bigot! You are saying you are better than that same person Protestant or any other religion, race, color, creed, etc. as the same area you are in. Ask yourself why did Wal-Mart spend so much money and effort to lobby Congress to raise the minimum wage all those years ago? Because the clearest majority of U.S. society (middle-class to poor) have more money to spend. YES, there is a TEMPORARY condition of adjusting cost of items to finances available, it’s called “Supple and Demand”. More money is collected by the store or factory with increased wages. Inventory increases, wages are paid and increased, the rich get richer. It is ONLY a self-serving attitude to make sure the rich have more and all those beneath them (in their eyes) does NOT matter. Ask yourself why those in all our Branches of government (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) deserve a wage increase and get such every year, more than once a year, including their staff, and nobody else “beneath them” deserves such an increase? Is it time to get out your pitchfork for the plutocracy?

Leaders? Come-on, give me a break! I’m referring to those elected into positions of Leadership, in this description our government based in Washington, D.C. The greatest majority elected are NOT leaders! You only have to listen to what “they” say to come to the conclusion that “they” are followers and not leaders. I was employed several years to walk the halls of our government. I think I just may know more than most of you on this topic. Shame those who really need to read this would have stopped long before now since such does not lay within their personal belief system. Do you hear what you might claim are strong substantial arguments of what the issue of a pay increase will do to all of us in this economy on a SHORT-TERM basis? Yes, most all the arguments are correct. Those arguments also apply to the politicians and their staff, but you see them getting a wage increase. I am here for the long-haul from birth to death like everyone else. I’m a firm believer than everything our national government does should also apply to themselves. No pay increase for them unless they did such a good job directing our country that all of us get a wage increase. This is NOT Fascism, Socialism, Communism or even Democracy, it is HUMANITY.

“Everything we say, everything we do is a direct result of your own personal ethics.” That is YOU, look in the mirror and what you see is most likely a person who will rationalize some reason to accept the unacceptable conduct. You finding a way to ignore and support a LIE hence making lying to you acceptable conduct! Such conduct also makes YOU a liar yourself. I would rather hire a thief than a liar who also steals something greater than personal property, they steal your trust. Of course, there are too many people in this Capitalistic society that “Worship” money rather than putting faith in themselves and others. I can understand not putting faith in others due to the unethical conduct of others, but that only means not to trust that person rather than not to trust the rest of humanity. Our first President, General George Washington, (we should have lost that war considering what General Washington had to work with) said not to believe anything your own government says, to expect them to be lying to you every word. This was the man who was doing the talking he was telling you NOT to believe. In essence, he wanted YOU to make sure he was telling the truth EVERY TIME. Once someone lies to me, I find it almost impossible to believe him/her ever again. If YOU believe that person who has lied to you then maybe you should have lived in that town where the boy cried wolf, you might have saved his life, though you would also be branded as naïve and gullible incapable of intelligent self-reflection.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! What did make us (the U.S.) great in the first place? In the later part of the 18th century (let’s say 1776 to 1787 & to 1791) it was us the U.S. that came-up with Democracy. A concept of Democracy was not original or new. We had a good example from ancient Greece (there are others but this is a good example). Athens, Greece did suffer greatly with disease, war and tyranny (tyrants imposing their own will upon the society of Athens) but what ended them was fear, bigotry, mis-directed rage and unethical conduct. The previous so-called political leaders of Athens were replaced with political followers (tell them what they want to hear is how you get elected). If someone tells you (or you believe) that anyone in such a national elected position as our Legislative or Executive Branches of our government must be liars or they cannot survive then YOU are the gullible one because DECEIT never is the best option. People do much better when they trust each other, support each other. Yesteryear, before the U.S. was these United States the British tried to make each of their colonies corporations and that conduct FAILED to a large degree. Did the British Colonies suffer? Yes due to all the same reasons, plus I guess since it is more recent in our minds than ancient Athens, Greece it means a bit more. The rich & affluent ruined things for the rest of us and we fought back. Yes, the U.S. is a revolutionary country. Bigotry, the white male land-owners and rich, thought of themselves as so much better than any other race. Remember the late 60’s and the whole 70’s? So many intellectual types saying they have hard evidence that “Black” people are less than white people. How stupid; who believed them need to share a portion of that stupidity. Anyone who has ever been in a real military combat situation will tell you with wholehearted honesty that you had better not think of your enemy as less than you (under-estimate) or you just may end-up dead! Remember the French and Indian War? The French Revolution? Justice system of the courts & Judges decisions were overruled by the appointed Governor. Don’t take me wrong, there are decisions of certain Judges today that are unethical and in contrast to our Constitution even from our Supreme Court (SCOTUS), i.e. Corporations are people, artificial people, such a decision only benefits certain affluent in our society. It is the “Rich and Affluent” that have been the enemies of societies throughout history, our history and that of everyone else. We (these United States) did care for one another at a time yesteryear, abuse one American (U.S. citizen) and you abuse us all. Sacrifice your ethics once and you hurt us all. We called it Compassion and Empathy. Those with much helped those with little. Is it a test of your ethics? Yes, of course as is all of your life! Such is NOT Communism, Fascism, Socialism even Democracy, it is HUMANITY! Though we have those who fall into the scientific description of Human, they clearly do not act Human, ethical. Do YOU really believe some politician announcing that a Health Care plan is better because someone who does NOT need medical care should NOT have to pay for those who do need medical care? Doomed to fail! Medical Insurance, Term Life Insurance, Auto Insurance, Government, Laws, Taxes think about it and you will come-up with many more examples. We pay taxes to a government and in return we get a military to protect us from those Unethical who wish to hurt us. We pay taxes to a government to pay the wages of those who make our laws and who we trust to lead our country in a direction of safety, security, progressiveness so we all can do better than those before us. Our own family! Don't you sacrifice for those you love? Don’t you work to earn a wage and hand such wage over so your loved ones (family) can live in a house, eat well, get educated, on and on. Such does NOT sound like a government to me and if YOU support such action then YOU should LOOK IN A MIRROR and see if you are part of Humanity or not! Why would we be intimidated by those who are smarter than YOU in some particular area? Remember the question of … since when has a tax-and-spend government ever worked? Ever since we became these United States! What a dummy saying such a thing. I, and everyone else, expect our government to spend our taxes, we just want our government to spend our taxes in a manner to aid ALL OF US.

I heard this somewhere, Eyes Open No Fear!

As a collective country, we chose DECEIT, DEATH, U... (show quote)

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Well said, roadster. I would surmise that you expected to be attacked by those of lesser minds and optics. Not one of them offered any concrete evidence of their positions. All they have in their arsenal are insults and innuendo to respond with. Even more proof of their lack of insight and their credulousness.

They've been looking for a "savior" to lead them away from the imagined deprivations and assaults on their superior ways and means of living. Trump has said he, alone, can do for them what they've been dreaming needs to be done for their benefit. (Screw everyone else who dare disagree with them or offer a different viewpoint as there will be NO compromise on their part. EVER!)

pafret Loc: Northeast

alabuck wrote:

---------------- br br Well said, roadster. I wou... (show quote)

You got that wrong, we are not credulous:

Willing to believe or trust too readily, especially without proper or adequate evidence;
Gullible. Marked by or arising from credulity

We are incredulous to the extent that it is not worth our time to refute this garbage.

roadster Loc: Arizona

Rivers, you hear something you don't believe in and your response is to insult and ignore. If you could only see yourself, hear yourself you wouldn't like yourself.
You're a good example of what the U.S. has degraded into. This is not due to your different point of view than me, it is about how you express yourself, how acceptable the unacceptable is to you. How do you react when you discover someone has lied to you? Trump birther argument admitted is now and always has been a total lie. Anyone associated with spreading such a lie is contributing to unacceptable conduct.
Did you know that we now have a first lady who began work in this country as an illegal alien? Why didn't you know that? Did you believe she was actually legal? Have you personally researched anything?
See my point?

roadster Loc: Arizona

100% of the Founding Fathers were admittedly Liberal and proud of it. Same with the signers of the Declaration of Independence. Look at their positions for the late 18th century. Yes, slavery was common and has been for thousands of years.
Even with all you said and inflamed statements, I do not consider myself a liberal. I use to call myself conservative, just like you. I now call myself Independent.
I changed so much of my life, continuing to change throughout my life over one statement a man made before he died in my arms in VietNam... "Everything we say and do is a result of your ethics." I've added a few words over the years without changing the meaning.
I began to question everything, research everything using as credible sites as I could and once I discovered a site lied to me in any way I would not use them again. I have many citations but I don't see other people using citations on their posts but quickly throw mud at me with that argument.
It boils down to a failure in people I use to have myself all those decades ago. I read something and if it falls within my belief system it doesn't need credibility and citations. Wrong!
Today the Health Care bill. I don't know as of this moment what has happened to it but I can tell you from my experience in D.C. that after so many tries to get rid of the Obamacare, they who tried had nothing for all these years to replace it, all this time. I predict it will fail. There is only 1 real reason, the rich are taxed to pay for it and the rich own the majority of Republicans, hence what you see. When it fails again, well we will see.
I'm not a conservative now because of personal research.
Give me your citations I don't have to prove 14% of Illegals voted in the past general election!
Obama wiretapping Trump? The proof is the lack of proof, even the admission of key Republican Committee Chairs of no proof and the wiretapping did not happen. Unedited live video. That is why I'm not a Trumpster, lied to again. I'm not such a low-life to think lying to me is acceptable conduct.

Big dog

roadster wrote:

100% of the Founding Fathers were admittedly Liberal and proud of it. Same with the signers of the Declaration of Independence. Look at their positions for the late 18th century. Yes, slavery was common and has been for thousands of years.
Even with all you said and inflamed statements, I do not consider myself a liberal. I use to call myself conservative, just like you. I now call myself Independent.
I changed so much of my life, continuing to change throughout my life over one statement a man made before he died in my arms in VietNam... "Everything we say and do is a result of your ethics." I've added a few words over the years without changing the meaning.
I began to question everything, research everything using as credible sites as I could and once I discovered a site lied to me in any way I would not use them again. I have many citations but I don't see other people using citations on their posts but quickly throw mud at me with that argument.
It boils down to a failure in people I use to have myself all those decades ago. I read something and if it falls within my belief system it doesn't need credibility and citations. Wrong!
Today the Health Care bill. I don't know as of this moment what has happened to it but I can tell you from my experience in D.C. that after so many tries to get rid of the Obamacare, they who tried had nothing for all these years to replace it, all this time. I predict it will fail. There is only 1 real reason, the rich are taxed to pay for it and the rich own the majority of Republicans, hence what you see. When it fails again, well we will see.
I'm not a conservative now because of personal research.
Give me your citations I don't have to prove 14% of Illegals voted in the past general election!
Obama wiretapping Trump? The proof is the lack of proof, even the admission of key Republican Committee Chairs of no proof and the wiretapping did not happen. Unedited live video. That is why I'm not a Trumpster, lied to again. I'm not such a low-life to think lying to me is acceptable conduct.

100% of the Founding Fathers were admittedly Liber... (show quote)

Gee, I thought it was well thought out and quite succinctly written, from the view of a lunatic.

pafret Loc: Northeast

roadster wrote:

Rivers, you hear something you don't believe in an... (show quote)

The operative words is work, a few weeks are of no consequence, there were no lines of \American models waiting for the position she filled. If there was any discrepancy it was rectified in a short time.

You want to complain about illegals try doing something about this:

"In a move likely to heighten debate about illegal immigration, a Huntington Park city councilman said Monday he will appoint two immigrants in the U.S. illegally to become commissioners on city advisory boards.

The move is an effort to give people here illegally a voice in government in a part of Los Angeles County that has long drawn immigrants from Latin America."

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

pafret wrote:

You got that wrong, we are not credulous:

Willing to believe or trust too readily, especially without proper or adequate evidence;
Gullible. Marked by or arising from credulity

We are incredulous to the extent that it is not worth our time to refute this garbage.

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To the contrary, I got that right. You ARE credulous; in fact, EXTREMELY credulous. In spite of much proof to the contrary regarding how much and how often Trumpet and his cronies lie, you accept their words and comments at face-value, without any effort to verify what it is they are saying is true or not. That makes you credulous.

Also, to demonstrate your complete credulousness, you deny and defy anyone who says anything that opposes you and Trumpet on your commonly held beliefs and positions. You deny overwhelming and factual evidence that Trumpet and his cronies have lied. You retreat to your own alternative reality (alt-right web sites, Fox Entertainment News, Brietbart News, and similar sites) when offering up any so-called "evidence" that you think might contradict opposing arguments. Your "evidence," in 99% of the cases, have been shown to be no more than others' opinions, at best, and out-right lies, at worst; without the first spread of provable evidence to buttress your claims or charges.

You try to slander any mainstream media sites as "fake news," simply because those sites have taken the time to investigate their stories and have determined what is fact and what is fiction and their conclusions tend to show that Trumpet and his cronies have lied, or are lying, about any particular subject. This, while the sites you use are commonly known, and accepted to be, by the majority of people who follow Trumpet's goings-on, notorious for producing the vast majority of the "fake news" being distributed. As proof, I offer that Trump's approval rating among all voters is at 39% (as of 3-22-17 with a MoE of +/- 3%). That's the LOWEST of any president at the beginning of his term. And, "That's a fact, Jack!"

As to it not being, "worth [your] time to refute this garbage," you've discrdited yourself by replying to "this garbage," as you called it. Apparently, it IS worth some of your time as you DID reply to it.