S. Maturin

No,no; I understood it entirely, and that what upset you.

In eight years of working between vacations Obama must have accomplished something beneficial to the citizens of the USA, right? Perhaps you could just list some.. maybe four or five?

theotts

ACA
Oversight on banking and arbitrage to forestall marginal trading.
Restoration of respect for US diplomacy
Environmental controls
Reduction of our profile in Iraq, saving Amer. lives and money.
Spanking the reactionaries who shut down government, costing us billions.
The economy restored; the Dow at record highs from the low under Bush (about 180% growth)
Reduced unemployment from the highest its been since the depression to within 0.1% of what is considered full employment.
Cut deficits to below any level acheived by Bush, who, incidentally, inherited a budget in surplus.
Ended the use of "black sites" and torture, for which he was given the Nobel Peace Prize.
Improved public transit by a quantum leap.
Ran a transparent administration, leading the irrational right to accuse him, without evidence of being secretive (very funny to people with three digit IQs.)
Did something no Republican has done in 150 years; governed 8 years without a breath of scandal.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I intend no disrespect to you, however the action on voter fraud was by the democrats, in the form of recounts in several states. And if I recall, everyone on that side of the isle was praying for killary to recover enough votes to take the election from President Trump. Now, President Trump says, I hear your concerns as a nation, let us find out once and for all if 1) illegals voted and 2) if the systems were tampered with. So, now the fine folks from that side, after months of cheering on the voter fraud idea to actually saying that Russia hacked or may have hacked into the system says.... oh no, there is no voter fraud. Here is a major issue, as I see it, with voters being on the roles after their demise. What if a person registered their aunt who died and then places a vote for her dear aunt? Take the example of Melowese Richardson she is now in jail. She was convicted of voting twice in the 2012 election and voting three times — in 2008, 2011 and 2012 — for her sister, Montez Richardson, who has been in a coma since 2003. Is this happening all over the USA? We do not know and there is part of the problem. It is also a known fact, illegals do vote. Perhaps they do it out of ignorance or they think because they have fraudulent identification cards or stolen IDs and they are on the tax rolls they have a right to vote is unknown, but the fact is they do vote. Here is a case of point, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election. Is one case worth the effort of a full scale investigation.... I think so. The law off nature states that if an event happens one time, it will be repeated.

So, although I agree with you and feel you presented well thought out response, I also believe that a full scale and in depth investigation has to be mounted regarding voter fraud. It is not for the benefit of our current president that I say this, but for all future elections. As a citizen, it is my privilege to vote. Whereas the Constitution does not address when a dead person or those in comas give up their right to vote, it just seems to be commonsense that they no longer have a vested interest in the outcome of elections. Illegals do not have a right to vote in our national elections.... Indeed, other than the voting provisions, the Constitution only uses the term citizen to define the qualifications for the House of Representatives, the Senate, the Presidency, guarantee of Privileges and Immunities (Article IV), the 11th Amendment (“citizens of another state”), and the 14th Amendment (naturalization and “privileges or immunities”). There isn’t much that the Constitution favors Citizens and not persons, but the right to vote is one of them. Although some states are moving in the direction of allowing illegals to vote in local elections, this will not change national election requirements. And that will make a problem all on its own.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

[quote=roadster]Voter Fraud? Another who do you listen to? Certainly, a review of our Constitution, including Amendments, with a little (uncommon) common-sense and we could come-up with an answer.

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Roadster,
In addition to the previous issues that I raised previously, I would like to know if you watched the video "Hacking Democracy". If not, I urge you to watch a brief segment at this link. https://youtu.be/t75xvZ3osFg

Here is what the video will discuss: "The disturbingly shocking HBO documentary HACKING DEMOCRACY bravely tangles with our nation’s ills at the heart of democracy. The film the Diebold corporation doesn’t want you to see, this revelatory journey follows tenacious Seattle grandmother Bev Harris and her band of extraordinary citizen-activists as they set out to ask one simple question: How does America count its votes? From Florida and California to Ohio and Washington State, filmmakers Simon Ardizzone, Russell Michaels and Robert Cohen starkly reveal a broken system riddled with secrecy, incompetent election officials, and electronic voting machines that can be programmed to steal elections. Equipped only with a powerful sense of righteous outrage, the activists take on voting machine industry, exposing alarming security holes in America’s trusted voting machines. They even go dumpster diving at a county election official’s office in Florida, uncovering incendiary evidence of miscounted votes. But proving our votes can be stolen without a trace culminates in a duel between Diebold voting machines and a computer hacker from Finland – with America’s democracy at stake."

If this does not convince you that we have a real problem with our voting process, then I urge you to watch the short video called "Fraction Magic" which you can watch here: https://youtu.be/8ezmpqwVEnM

You should also check out the site BlackBoxVoting.org ( http://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-1/ ). Here is a summary of what they have found:

"This report summarizes the results of our review of the GEMS election management system, which counts approximately 25 percent of all votes in the United States. The results of this study demonstrate that a fractional vote feature is embedded in each GEMS application which can be used to invisibly, yet radically, alter election outcomes by pre-setting desired vote percentages to redistribute votes. This tampering is not visible to election observers, even if they are standing in the room and watching the computer. Use of the decimalized vote feature is unlikely to be detected by auditing or canvass procedures, and can be applied across large jurisdictions in less than 60 seconds.

gems-usaGEMS vote-counting systems are and have been operated under five trade names: Global Election Systems, Diebold Election Systems, Premier Election Systems, Dominion Voting Systems, and Election Systems & Software, in addition to a number of private regional subcontractors. At the time of this writing, this system is used statewide in Alaska, Connecticut, Georgia, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Utah and Vermont, and for counties in Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming. It is also used in Canada.

Fractionalized vote:
Instead of “1” the vote is allowed to be 1/2, or 1+7/8, or any other value that is not a whole number.
What fractionalized votes can do:

They allow “weighting” of races. Weighting a race removes the principle of “one person-one vote” to allow some votes to be counted as less than one or more than one. Regardless of what the real votes are, candidates can receive a set percentage of votes. Results can be controlled. For example, Candidate A can be assigned 44% of the votes, Candidate B 51%, and Candidate C the rest.
GEMS fractionalizes votes in three places:

The “Summary” vote tally, which provides overall election totals for each race on Election Night
The “Statement of Votes Cast”, which provides detailed results by precinct and voting method (ie. Polling, absentee, early, provisional)

The “undervote” count

Fractions in results reports are not visible.Votes containing decimals are reported as whole numbers unless specifically instructed to reveal decimals (which is not the default setting). All evidence that fractional values ever existed can be removed instantly even from the underlying database using a setting in the GEMS data tables, in which case even instructing GEMS to show the decimals will fail to reveal they were used.

Source code: Instructions to treat votes as decimal values instead of whole numbers are inserted multiple times in the GEMS source code itself; thus, this feature cannot have been created by accident.

Fractionalizing the votes which create the Summary Results allows alteration of Election Night Web results and results sent to the Secretary of State, as well as results available at and local election officials.
Fractionalizing the “Statement of Votes Cast” allows an extraordinary amount of precision, enabling alteration of results by specific voting machine, absentee batch, or precinct. Vote results can be altered for polling places in predominantly Black neighborhoods, and can parse out precincts within a mixed batch of early or absentee votes.

Fractionalizing the undervote category allows reallocation of valid votes into undervotes.

Voting rights abomination

According to programmer notes, a weighted race feature was designed which not only gives some votes more weight than others, but does so based on the voter’s identity. Ballots are connected to voters, weights are assigned to each voter per race, stored in an external table not visible in GEMS. Our testing shows that one vote can be counted 25 times, another only one one-thousandth of a time, effectively converting some votes to zero.

The study was prompted by two issues: (1) Anomalies in elections in Shelby County, Tennessee, which uses the GEMS election management system, in which inconsistencies were observed in reporting of results by GEMS; and (2) Concerns raised regarding the presence of middlemen during the election process, such that a single individual gains remote access to the election management program, in some cases in multiple jurisdictions.

The questions we examine are these:
Can election outcomes be controlled with enough versatility to allow a national impact? Does any mechanism exist that would enable a political consultant or technician to capture elections for repeat customers?
If the necessary features exist within the election management system to facilitate this:
Were such features embedded accidentally or on purpose; for what stated purpose were such features installed; if a reason was given, is that reason justifiable?

Bottom line, we need a thorough investigation and a plan of action on how to make our voting process secure, and unable to be hacked or affected by fraud.

bylm1-Bernie

Wow! I had to read this list over 3 times to be sure I wasn't on the Onion site. Your lack of interpretation skills is only exceeded by your glibness. You are listed as a new user but are you possibly a recycled poster from a ways back?

theotts

There have been no claims of fraud from Dems. It is an established fact that Republican-dominated state governments have purged voter rolls with, shall we say, unseemly zeal.
Several studies have been conducted over the years. None of them have found more than an infinitesimal small percentage of fraudulent voting.
In my state, in order to register to vote, a document recently dated from a known entity (a utility bill is the default) AND a picture ID are required. Those are very difficult to obtain fraudulently, don't you think? We did have a case of a fellow who registered here and in a neighboring state who voted in both states. He was a Republican member of the state assembly. He remained in office and won re-election last Nov.
This is, without question, an attempt by Repubs. to tip the board to their goal. Their lack of concern about one of their colleagues cheating shouts that to the skies. So do the attempts in the US Senate to eviscerate ethics enforcement. Parallel occurences are reported in several states. Here's one from S Dakota. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/24/south-dakota-republicans-are-about-to-get-rid-of-the-states-first-independent-ethics-commission/&ved=0ahUKEwj76fTip-jRAhXLZiYKHZr6CNQQFghMMAY&usg=AFQjCNGKveogO8ymaeQFoX0T0RQ-nwvR9A&sig2=YwfLaqpy57bjpCuq0KKqJQ

It is very sad what has become of the Republican Party. They are almost universally either disingenuous or outright dishonest.

Consider: One of the provisions of the ACA was that, if an insurance company lost money in a particular market, ACA funds would make them whole. Recently, the Republican Congress indicated, in writing, that they would not release those monies. The natural (and expected) result was that insurance companies withdrew from marginal markets. The same Republicans who sequestered the funds said it was solely due to the ACA.
In my household we say: Question; how can you tell if a Republican is lying? Answer; his lips are moving.

theotts

Lack of an answer noted.
Your problem is undoubtedly that I was using actual facts, not alternative facts.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

Too bad that you are teaching your children to be purveyors of lying and deceit.

theotts

Too bad your IQ and shoe size are the same number.

If you "think" I've lied quote me and show the countervailing facts.
This ain't the schoolyard boy.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

I guess you must have forgot the ACLU filed an action to have the deletion of dead people, from the voting data bases of Florida and at least one other state to be stopped, I believe, if my memory is accurate. If not more states.

theotts

Why am I surprised to have got a non sequitur answer?

The ACLU action ensued from purging voter rolls almost exclusively in blue districts.
Be careful here. My daughter is an attorney working for the ACLU.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Okay, really? Democrats did not claim voter fraud. I guess Florida and the call for recount does not count.... "In a lawsuit filed Monday in Leon Circuit Court, they assert that Clinton, not Trump, actually won Florida. The plaintiffs, who live in Osceola and Volusia counties, say the state’s official election results were off because of hacking, malfunctioning voting machines and other problems." I don't guess those that filed suite were Trump supporters. And when Stein used public money to conduct a recount in 3 states... I saw that Killary actually joined her. I don't suppose you would consider Killary a Republican.... do you?

As for as getting an ID.... well, it is possible. I had my wallet stolen with my ID and Passport in it.... and it was used for all kinds of stuff, they used it to buy furniture, rent a car, clothing and some other things I do not wish to discuss..... let me just say that my husband had a good belly laugh from some of those "items." If ID thief is not pervasive.... then how can industries such as LifeLock stay in business? Why are we consistently receiving SCAM notices...?

So it is sad what is happening to the Republican Party? WOW.... when it is the Democrats who lost the kitchen sink during 2014 and 2016... it would seem that it may be the Democrats who are in trouble. But, that is just my opinion.

bylm1-Bernie

Well, I guess that explains everything, doesn't it?

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

Oh hell no. Not another well indoctrinated fully delusional
elitist wanna be .

Let's have a conversation.
I'll start .
F'off

samtheyank

Based on what had been said by the People in Congress, there is no such thing as voter fraud or whatever you want to call it. Trump is barking up the wrong tree. Common Sense tells you that with all the illegal aliens and the corruption in Washington, Trump's charges have merit. I think the Congress should establish some way or method to prove that you are who you say you are and that you have the right to vote. There was a time when all you had to do was tell the person in charge your name and address and that was it. Those days are long gone. Too many liars and cheats have infiltrated the system.