lorddwarf Loc: Linden, Va

Serious question, what is the logic behind sanctuary cities? In what way do cities/communities/citizens benefit from establishing sanctuary cities?

I will point out that by supreme court rulings, the federal government has jurisdiction over immigration law and policy, so let's not go down the states rights road as some are trying to do.

I will start with one obvious contradiction for sanctuary cities; many of have already passed (or their states have) or are trying to pass minimum wage laws as high as $15 per hour. It does not make sense to allow the labor force to rapidly expand with unskilled labor while shrinking the labor market by increasing wages.

The meaning of the word sanctuary is, "a place of refuge or safety". Are our citizens safer because of sanctuary cities?

robmull Loc: florida

It's a ploy, lordd. Much like having the gang-bangers think they look cool with their pants falling-off so they can't run. All the criminals are flooding into "sanctuary" cities where it will be much easier to round-them-up!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!!

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Legally there is no such thing as a sanctuary city ,its just a slang term used to describe a municipality that defies Fed. law to protect illeglas . No worry's though when the fed dollars get cut off the socialist pigs will run to the trough and start squealing ..

lorddwarf Loc: Linden, Va

Come on liberals!! Other than some emotional arguments, justify sanctuary cities.

nellie

No! Our community in the sanctuary cities and surrounding areas are not safe.
San Bernardino, Fontana, Cochella, Colexco, La Angles, Fresno a few Sanctuary cities. Cochella had 445 drug gang members. Most were illegal. God Bless OUR COUNTRY

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

They can't. One of the most used liberal talking points, If the illegals in their communities are fearing deportation then they won't help the local police fight crime. How's that worked in the black community for the police? The blacks don't have to be worried about being deported yet they seldom help the police. Same in the Latino community whether they are legal or not.

robmull Loc: florida

If it weren't for a growing % of conservative "blacks and Latinos" {and Asians}, JF, Hillary would now be POTUS. Got to give a SHOUT-OUT to Jose, Leroy, Mary, John and Wong; and all the "I couldn't even tell my wife" {husband, neighbors, friends, business associates, strangers or enemies}, that pulled the "T" handle when the voting booth curtain was closed. "WE" couldn't have done it without them!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!!

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I know a lot of women that didn't like Trump but voted for him because they couldn't stand Hillary.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

First, a much needed definition. According to Wikipedia:

Sanctuary city is a term that is applied by some to cities in the United States or Canada that have policies designed to not prosecute undocumented persons. These practices can be by law (de jure) or they can be by habit (de facto).

OK, so a sanctuary city defies federal immigration law by refusing to co-operate with customs and immigration in the capture and repatriation of illegal aliens. Some have laws to this effect, others have a general understanding of non-cooperation. Glad that's straightened out.

As for the benefits of being a 'sanctuary city', that's not so clear-cut. According to LegalMatch:

"Those that support immigration sanctuary cities say that having a “don’t ask, don’t report” type of policy actually helps to curb crime. They say that within certain communities, which are heavily populated by immigrants, people are more likely to come to police officials to report crimes or act as witnesses if they know that the city won’t ask about immigration status. Without these policies, people would fear coming forward if not for their own sake then for the sake of family members or friends who are in the U.S. illegally."

But that makes no sense. They're saying that crime is reduced by encouraging illegals to report crime and to come forward as witnesses to crimes. But if said illegals were not there in the first place then the crime would not have been committed by said illegals, no? Naturally, there is no solid data to back up this assertion, just a big pile of 'touchy-feely' claptrap. There is no way of knowing if the situation is better now than it was before because of sanctuary city policies.

So much for the 'Pro' column.

Now, in the 'Con' column:

Again, according to LegalMatch:

"Those that oppose sanctuary cities say that by actively declining to inform federal authorities of the illegal status of an immigrant, they are helping them escape lawful deportation and endangering the community. The opposition points to news stories in which members of the community are murdered or assaulted by illegal aliens who had already been arrested by local police for other crimes, but not reported to Federal immigration officials. In fact there are several lawsuits currently in progress in which families of murder victims killed by illegal immigrants are suing the cities which failed to report those illegal immigrants to federal authorities due to their sanctuary policies."

So an illegal immigrant is arrested and charged with some crime, given a court date and then released back into the city population where he commits further crimes. Victims of these further crimes point to the 'sanctuary city' status and rightly cry foul because if the illegal had been handed over to Federal Immigration officials, these further crimes would have been impossible. Now that makes perfect sense.

Verdict: Sorry, sanctuary cities, but the 'Cons' far outweigh the 'Pros' on this one so gonna have to go with the feds here. If I were in a position to make policy determinations, you'd be getting a lot less cash until you started playing ball again.

Proclamation: Cities that offer sanctuary status to illegal immigrants are less safe as a result.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

There is already a protection for illegals and their families that report crimes. It is called a u visa and keeps said illegals from being deported.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Well then! Somebody better tell these 'sanctuary cities' that! Clearly they're overreacting! Whoa, belay that! A 'u visa'? That's a nonimmigrant visa which is set aside for victims of crimes (and their immediate family members) who have suffered substantial mental or physical abuse and are willing to assist law enforcement and government officials in the investigation or prosecution of the criminal activity. Like if you were here on vacation and ran into trouble down a back alley or something. You get an extension visa to stay while the case is prosecuted. Just one tiny little problem with that: You have to be here legally in order to be extended on a 'u' visa. Illegal immigrants don't qualify. Nice try, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_visa

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Me neither. Just heard Judge Janennie (?) explain it. She should know.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Wow! There are a ton of different types of visa for foreign visitors available:

A-1 A-2 A-3 B-1 B-2 C-1 C-2 C-3 CW-1 CW-2 D-1 D-2 E-1 E-2 E-3 F-1 F-2 F-3 G-1 G-2 G-3 G-4 G-5 GB GT H-1A H-1B H-1B1 H-1C H-2A H-2B H-2R H-3 H-4 I-1 J-1 J-2 K-1 K-2 K-3 K-4 L-1 L-2 M-1 M-2 NATO-1 NATO-2 NATO-3 NATO-4 NATO-5 NATO-6 NATO-7 O-1 O-2 O-3 P-1 P-2 P-3 P-4 Q-1 R-1 R-2 S-5 S-6 S-7 TN TD T-1 T-2 T-3 T-4 TD TN U-1 U-2 U-3 U-4 U-5 V-1 V-2 V-3 WB WT

The 'A' visas (A-1, A-2, and A-3) are issued to diplomats and their support staff. The 'U' visas (U-1 through U-5) are issued to victims of crimes and their relatives who are expected to stay over until the prosecution has completed.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Apparently the judges experience most be they are not usually deported after reporting a crime. Hell I don't know. The entire system needs streamlined.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

How many justices sit like this lady during hearings in the Court. She can't stay awake long enough to write out a resignation because she can't hear arguments. It is certainly time for her to move to New Zealand, as she promised to do if Trump won. She probably hasn't been awake long enough to write her resignation.

http://tammybruce.com/2016/07/sc-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-if-trump-wins-its-time-to-move-to-new-zealand.html