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Jan 27, 2017 16:02:57   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
There will always be oil spills. Do you think rail and trucks are safer? How many problems have we had with the pipeline in Alaska? The good that oil has done far outweighs the bad. Did you know that millions of gallons of oil leak through the fissures in the ocean floor every year. Much like you maybe they should shove a cork in it.

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Jan 27, 2017 16:11:58   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/at-one-end-of-trumps-revived-keystone-xl-pipeline-theres-a-scene-you-must-see-to-believe/ss-AAmihk9?ocid=spartanntp


There have been THREE pipeline ruptures - just since Trump announced restarting these two. That last one in IOWA, with 150,000 gallons of diesel spilled ( that's the amount being reported, but who knows HOW much really spilled ). They said DDT and asbestos was safe too.

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Jan 27, 2017 16:50:34   #
moldyoldy
 
Pipeline CEO says he paid trump off.


http://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1327833480643036/

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Jan 27, 2017 16:55:11   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
moldyoldy wrote:


Oh please stop. Occupy Democrats? Your cut and pasted are stupid.

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Jan 27, 2017 20:30:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
All you right wing pipe lovers....


The 2 pipelines have all the negatives we have presented, but also differing final reasons for stoppage..

The XL is a duplicitous project by foreign business that will be only for foreign business.. It is a duplicate of a pipe line which was completed in 2016, using the existing right of way with an older pipeline. Brings oil to Duluth/Superior harbor industrial park and on to Texas refiners. These are the factors the tipped the scale for Obama to stop construction..

The 2nd pipeline that has demonstrator still on site. Has outraged all people with common sense. It has been rerouted after the population of Bismarck ND refused to have it threaten the water supply they use. It was then run down to the edge of the Indian reservation and could destroy the same water supply but only for the Indians.. that was deemed to be fine.. only the demonstrations and successful obstruction of the crossing at the Missouri river has held up completion.. The project is not being reevaluated but is simply on hold for the trump administration to approve it..

Also reports have appeared that trump companies have a financial interest in both the construction and the oil itself... How appropriate..

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Jan 27, 2017 21:01:32   #
moldyoldy
 
permafrost wrote:
All you right wing pipe lovers....


The 2 pipelines have all the negatives we have presented, but also differing final reasons for stoppage..

The XL is a duplicitous project by foreign business that will be only for foreign business.. It is a duplicate of a pipe line which was completed in 2016, using the existing right of way with an older pipeline. Brings oil to Duluth/Superior harbor industrial park and on to Texas refiners. These are the factors the tipped the scale for Obama to stop construction..

The 2nd pipeline that has demonstrator still on site. Has outraged all people with common sense. It has been rerouted after the population of Bismarck ND refused to have it threaten the water supply they use. It was then run down to the edge of the Indian reservation and could destroy the same water supply but only for the Indians.. that was deemed to be fine.. only the demonstrations and successful obstruction of the crossing at the Missouri river has held up completion.. The project is not being reevaluated but is simply on hold for the trump administration to approve it..

Also reports have appeared that trump companies have a financial interest in both the construction and the oil itself... How appropriate..
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Jan 27, 2017 21:06:29   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
That rat bastard, I had overlooked that....

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Jan 27, 2017 21:56:11   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Sons of Liberty wrote:

You know how I feel about the pipeline...build it!!!
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Yes, I do know and I'm with you on it too!! Build it!!!

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Jan 27, 2017 23:20:40   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There have been THREE pipeline ruptures - just since Trump announced restarting these two. That last one in IOWA, with 150,000 gallons of diesel spilled ( that's the amount being reported, but who knows HOW much really spilled ). They said DDT and asbestos was safe too.

That why you drank the DDT blodmann?

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Jan 28, 2017 06:30:09   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
moldyoldy wrote:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/at-one-end-of-trumps-revived-keystone-xl-pipeline-theres-a-scene-you-must-see-to-believe/ss-AAmihk9?ocid=spartanntp

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It's like raping your Mother!

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Jan 28, 2017 06:39:41   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Sons of Liberty wrote:

You know how I feel about the pipeline...build it!!!
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Yes. Build it! Just as long as it is not on your property!

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Jan 28, 2017 09:20:59   #
teabag09
 
LJ, all of those rail cars are owned by Warren Buffet so he has a hugh stake in stopping the pipe lines. Mike
lindajoy wrote:
Dangittttttt meant to attach this earlier.

Some of the concerns, alternative etc to implementing the pipeline...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/01/impact-keystone-dakota-access-pipeline-environment-global-warming-oil-health/


The U.S. State Department said TransCanada, the company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, has agreed to change its planned pipeline route to go around the environmentally sensitive sandhills of Nebraska, bury the pipeline deeper in the ground than they had planned, and closely monitor the pipeline’s safety. These steps are intended to help minimize the harm of an oil spill if one happens.


The alternative to a pipeline also presents concerns. The State Department estimated that as of January 2014, 180,000 barrels of Canadian crude oil per day is being transported by freight trains. If no pipeline is built, that number will rise. Using trains to transport oil to refineries in the U.S. poses a safety concern because explosions can occur, killing people and damaging habitats nearby.

The Dakota Access pipeline project was meant to address the growing amount of oil being shipped out of North Dakota by freight trains. It’s cheaper to move oil through pipelines and reduces the likelihood that explosions will happen, according to Energy Transfer Partners, the pipeline project’s builder.

3. WHAT THE PIPELINES MEAN FOR CLIMATE
Many climate activists have opposed the pipelines on the suspicion that they may increase our reliance on, and use, of fossil fuels, and further delay investment in more renewable technologies.

But the State Department said in a 2014 assessment that the Keystone XL pipeline would have no additional impact on greenhouse gas emissions because the oil would be extracted from tar sands in Canada at the same rate anyways, regardless of whether or not the pipeline was built.

The EPA contested that finding, saying that extracting oil from the tar sands generates more greenhouse gases than extracting oil through more conventional methods and therefore contributes to a greater amount of greenhouse gas emissions over time. If more pipelines are built, more oil could theoretically be extracted at a faster rate, meaning greenhouse gases would actually be released more quickly.

The State Department’s assessment argued that the oil extracted from tar sands would find its way to market regardless of whether the Keystone XL pipeline was built or not. However, it’s also true that the fate of the pipelines remains uncertain, with activists in Canada and the U.S. opposing the plans. The volatile market also does not guarantee that demand will make the high cost of extracting oil from the tar sands worthwhile.


The pipeline project is on hold following a federal judge's ruling. But the protesters remain. Here, they camp near Cannon Ball, North Dakota.
PHOTOGRAPH BY ERIKA LARSEN, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
The Natural Resources Defense Council and other major environmental groups say that, most likely, Keystone XL pipeline would accelerate the pace and expand the scale of tar sands development. Using trains slows down the process of getting the oil to refineries and ultimately to market, so it is better long-term for the environment, the groups said.

No environmental impact report has been created for the Dakota Access pipeline, though the U.S Army Corps of Engineers said they would conduct an environmental impact survey when they halted the project in December 2016.

Ultimately, Anthony Swift, staff attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council, told National Geographic it’s a question of whether the U.S. will support development of “one of the most carbon-intensive sources of energy in the world, or whether we really are going to move in a direction to cut greenhouse gases.”

4. HOW THE PIPELINES WILL IMPACT PEOPLE
Aside from the long-term impact that a warming climate could have on human life as a result of reliance on oil, the pipelines could pose an immediate threat to the drinking water of nearby communities and may damage areas considered sacred by Native American tribes, according to opponents.

The Dakota Access pipeline project has encountered fierce opposition in part because the threat of an oil spill and poisoned water sources could impact the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, whose reservation is immediately downstream of the point where the pipeline will cross the Missouri River. Many tribe members are also concerned about burial grounds being disturbed during construction of the pipeline. Bulldozers have already removed some topsoil on ground that the tribe considers sacred.

Both pipelines would create jobs during their construction. The State Department estimated that the Keystone XL pipeline would create 42,100 jobs over the one to two years of the pipeline’s construction and would create 50 permanent jobs. While that isn’t a lot of long-term job creation, it would keep the crude oil refineries in the Gulf Coast up and running. If the pipeline is not built, it could eventually endanger jobs at those refineries.
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Jan 28, 2017 11:25:01   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Can I assume that all of the people who hate oil so much don't drive cars, mow their grass, or use anything in their lives made from petroleum?
Can anyone tell me where I can get one of those wooden computers?

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Jan 28, 2017 11:30:25   #
Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!
 
archie bunker wrote:
Can I assume that all of the people who hate oil so much don't drive cars, mow their grass, or use anything in their lives made from petroleum?
Can anyone tell me where I can get one of those wooden computers?


Asphalt, vinyl siding, roofing materials, etc, etc, all derive from oil.

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Jan 28, 2017 11:34:15   #
teabag09
 
Cosmetics, lenses, Styrofoam and on and on.
Sons of Liberty wrote:
Asphalt, vinyl siding, roofing materials, etc, etc, all derive from oil.

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