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Jan 24, 2017 21:32:41   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
QuestGirl wrote:
I was taken aback when my daughter was in grade school, character seemed to be a lesson. I was then appalled wondering why? My child's character is my responsibility, not the schools. Sadly, I had not the wherewithall to home school her.

Indeed her character is a parent responsibility but reading your response, I doubt your daughter's character is going to be a problem for either you or her. Cheers!!

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Jan 24, 2017 21:36:25   #
Big dog
 
QuestGirl wrote:
They have certainly managed to successfully and unconstitutionally legislate stupidity.


Well that's not exactly how I meant it, but taken in context, you are correct. What I should have said was " ya can't outlaw stupidity".
Is that better ? Isn't that what the snowflakes relay on ?
It's the "dumming down of America" that liberals count on to be able to put themselves "in charge". It's totally ANTI AMERICAN to subjugate our fellow man x but that's exactly what these liberal SNOWFLAKES are attempting to do.
History ALWAYS repeats itself. It's up to us, the Free thinking people of the world, to keep freedom FREE, for ALL. And that don't come free!!

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Jan 24, 2017 21:40:35   #
Big dog
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Yep there are lots of idiots and only slightly in partial defense of some of the idiots. Had we had a nuke, very likely Pearl would not have occurred. Also the process of building a nuke is very complicated and time consuming so not knowing that or anything about a nuke weapon, the average person would never realize what the "Manhattan Project" was all about. I would love to see the cost of building the nuke compared to the rest of the bucks spent on WWII. I would guess about one half.
Just recall the fundamental particle, the neutron was first discovered in 1932. Only 13 years before the first detonation ( in New Mexico) of a nuke. Another 13 years got us the first commercial nuke power plant (Shippingport, PA, 1958.
I mention neutrons in the unlikely event persons might not know, nukes operate by the rapid fissioning of a fuel by neutrons.
Yep there are lots of idiots and only slightly in ... (show quote)


Heck, some of the "kids" today don't even know the difference between fission and fusion. Those are big words not taught in science class anymore.

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Jan 24, 2017 22:09:03   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
alabuck wrote:
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Not to brag, but I scored 30 out of 30. However, in my defense, I do have 3 degrees in American History.

My dad was in the Marines during WW2. He seldom spoke about his exploits until he was on his deathbed. Initially, my dad was one of Adm. Halsey's Personal Marine Detachment, 1st Marine Division ("Just a fancy name for Halsey's body guards," my dad claimed). He held that honor for a while; even managing to "liberate" some of Halsey's silver dinnerware (which I now have) before being transferred to a rifle company. He was among the first ashore on Okinawa. He and one of his squad-mates were sharing an outer perimeter foxhole during one of the Japanese many attacks. My dad said he emptied his M1 several times and was just about out of ammo when the Japanese soldiers finally reached their fox hole. My dad was shot in the knee. His squad-mate was shot twice and then bayoneted.

My dad shot and killed the Japanese soldier who'd killed his squad-mate, plus two more that were attacking their, specific, hole, including the one who'd bayoneted his squad-mate, before he was out of ammo. Oddly, at that point, their Japanese retreated back to their lines, allowing the Marine to gather-up their dead and wounded. My dad was evacuated back to a field hospital for surgery to remove the bullet in his leg. Six weeks later, he was allowed to return to his squad and finished out the battle. For this and subsequent actions, he was awarded the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star Medal, and the Silver Star Medal.

His older brother was a Sherman tank commander with Patton's armies; beginning with Patton in North Africa; going with him to Sicily; then, with his 3rd Army in France. He participated in the Battle of the Bulge and ended the war crossing the Rhine River and hooking-up with Russians west of Berlin.

As for myself, in a nut-shell, I joined the Navy in 1970. Went to Pensacola NAS and graduated a Naval Flight Officer. January 1973, found me stationed aboard the USS Midway as an F-4 Phantom NFO/RIO (back seat rider), attached to VF-161. On our 3rd mission, we were shot down by a SAM. My "stick" (pilot) was vaporized as the missile took out the front of our aircraft, just as his seat cleared the canopy rails. (Ejection sequence of an F-4 Phantom was that the back seat ejected 1.5 seconds before the front seat to avoid the 2 aviators from smashing into each other.). Pete was a married man with 2 small kids and a drop-dead, built like a 2 story brick outhouse, beautiful wife. I was unmarried with no kids.

I splashed just a couple of hundred yards from the North Vietnam shore. Immediately, NVA soldiers were on the beach and I was taking fire. In just a few minutes, a Rescue chopper was overhead. Someone tossed me an M16 and I emptied it firing back toward shore. Then, a gunship arrived and took care of the enemy on the shore while I was hauled aboard the Rescue chopper. I left the Navy in September of 1973, being unable to pass the medical physical to return to flying.
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Ken Burns is coming out with a documentary in the Fall of 2017, on PBS called The Viet Nam War. I wonder if he will tell that our government classified this war as only a "Conflict".

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Jan 24, 2017 22:12:50   #
Big dog
 
QuestGirl wrote:
Ken Burns is coming out with a documentary in the Fall of 2017, about the Viet Nam War. I wonder if he will tell that our government classified this war as only a, "Conflict".


We shall see, after all, Korea was "ONLY" a police action. Eh?

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Jan 24, 2017 22:21:32   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Big dog wrote:
We shall see, after all, Korea was "ONLY" a police action. Eh?


Fair point. After all only Congress can 'declare war'. More of our wonderful propaganda at work.

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Jan 24, 2017 22:22:22   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
Big dog wrote:
Heck, some of the "kids" today don't even know the difference between fission and fusion. Those are big words not taught in science class anymore.


I just heard those two words watching PBS. I think it was the one about Rachel Carson, or maybe on Nature.

Yes, I'd be happy to exchange. Though, I've told about all I know without my paperwork which is currently in storage.

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Jan 24, 2017 22:26:02   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
Big dog wrote:
We shall see, after all, Korea was "ONLY" a police action. Eh?


I thought Korea was a deemed Police State?

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Jan 24, 2017 22:31:27   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Indeed her character is a parent responsibility but reading your response, I doubt your daughter's character is going to be a problem for either you or her. Cheers!!


Thank you for that. She's nearly 23, and not speaking to me. Hoping she's got a 10 year jump on me as I had with my own mom at age 30. Sometimes, all you can do is love them, as I have learned.

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Jan 26, 2017 22:15:39   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
QuestGirl wrote:
I thought Korea was a deemed Police State?


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Technically, its called a "Police Action."

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Jan 26, 2017 22:29:10   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
alabuck wrote:
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Technically, its called a "Police Action."

So, the NK and Chicom casualties were shot while resisting arrest?

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Jan 26, 2017 22:31:23   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
QuestGirl wrote:
Thank you for that. She's nearly 23, and not speaking to me. Hoping she's got a 10 year jump on me as I had with my own mom at age 30. Sometimes, all you can do is love them, as I have learned.


Someone asked me the other day if I missed the boys, since they are out on their own now. I replied "I certainly do; every time the lawn needs mowed." On the bright side, I can open my wallet now and it contains something besides moths and cobwebs.

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Jan 26, 2017 23:20:48   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
QuestGirl wrote:
Ken Burns is coming out with a documentary in the Fall of 2017, on PBS called The Viet Nam War. I wonder if he will tell that our government classified this war as only a "Conflict".


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Armed conflict, or "a military war" is simply an extension of a country's foreign policy. What the government chooses to call it is its prerogative at the time. Since the 1950's the theory of "limited warfare" has been at the forefront of our military policy makers. It's an effort to keep military conflict restricted to a specific geographical area and not allowed to expand to a "world war." This is also the basis of the proliferation of our nuclear arsenals in the 1960's. By having so many nuclear weapons at our disposal, the concept of "Mutually Assured Destruction" (MAD), did a lot to keep conflicts relatively local in their respective theaters. Now-a-days, the insanity of nuclear proliferation has led to the implementation of the "Strategic Arms Limitation Treaties" (SALT). Supposedly, both sides agree to reducing their nuclear arsenals and have the draw-downs verified by on-site inspectors.

If one is concerned about the expansion of Presidential War Powers, you need look no further than to Congress. It's the body that has voted time and again to give the President more and more power in terms of when and how to send our troops into an armed conflict without a 'declaration of war' from Congress. Some of it is understandable. Whe the Constitution was written, it took months for one country to invade and conquer another country. Now, with the launching of nuclear and conventionally armed missiles and their arrival time to target measured in minutes, it's not possible for a Congress to gather and grasp the eminent dangers approaching. So, Congress has given the President (aka Commander-in-Chief) the authority to militarily address anything he perceives as a threat to the country.

Where the issue is, is in determining if what the President calls a threat is, in fact, a real threat, based on verified data and facts. In our recent history (taking the Gulf of Tonkin Incident/Resolution as a beginning point), we've seen our military sent into other countries based on false data and manufactured information designed to trick the country into favoring a war.

However, with the election of Trumpet, who knows what he will do along the lines of nuclear arsenal reduction?

In any case, though, anytime someone in our military dies in an armed conflict, it was a "war" to them.

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Jan 26, 2017 23:36:24   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Loki wrote:
So, the NK and Chicom casualties were shot while resisting arrest?


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LOL Loki!

War broke out along the 38th parallel on June 25, 1950. On that day, North Korean troops coordinated an attack at several strategic points along the parallel and headed south toward Seoul. The UN Security Council responded by adopting (by a 9-0 vote) a resolution that condemned the invasion as a "breach of the peace." President Harry S. Truman sent in American forces to a combined United Nations military effort and named Gen. Douglas MacArthur Commander of the U.N. forces. 15 other nations also sent troops to fight the North Koreans. Truman didn't seek a formal "declaration of war" from Congress; officially, America's presence in Korea amounted to no more than a "police action," as it was called by the UN resolution.

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Jan 26, 2017 23:37:06   #
Big dog
 
alabuck wrote:
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Armed conflict, or "a military war" is simply an extension of a country's foreign policy. What the government chooses to call it is its prerogative at the time. Since the 1950's the theory of "limited warfare" has been at the forefront of our military policy makers. It's an effort to keep military conflict restricted to a specific geographical area and not allowed to expand to a "world war." This is also the basis of the proliferation of our nuclear arsenals in the 1960's. By having so many nuclear weapons at our disposal, the concept of "Mutually Assured Destruction" (MAD), did a lot to keep conflicts relatively local in their respective theaters. Now-a-days, the insanity of nuclear proliferation has led to the implementation of the "Strategic Arms Limitation Treaties" (SALT). Supposedly, both sides agree to reducing their nuclear arsenals and have the draw-downs verified by on-site inspectors.

If one is concerned about the expansion of Presidential War Powers, you need look no further than to Congress. It's the body that has voted time and again to give the President more and more power in terms of when and how to send our troops into an armed conflict without a 'declaration of war' from Congress. Some of it is understandable. Whe the Constitution was written, it took months for one country to invade and conquer another country. Now, with the launching of nuclear and conventionally armed missiles and their arrival time to target measured in minutes, it's not possible for a Congress to gather and grasp the eminent dangers approaching. So, Congress has given the President (aka Commander-in-Chief) the authority to militarily address anything he perceives as a threat to the country.

Where the issue is, is in determining if what the President calls a threat is, in fact, a real threat, based on verified data and facts. In our recent history (taking the Gulf of Tonkin Incident/Resolution as a beginning point), we've seen our military sent into other countries based on false data and manufactured information designed to trick the country into favoring a war.

However, with the election of Trumpet, who knows what he will do along the lines of nuclear arsenal reduction?

In any case, though, anytime someone in our military dies in an armed conflict, it was a "war" to them.
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Any VETERAN knows, getting shot at means WAR.
Of course, one of my shipmates once put it rather succinctly:
War's Hell, Love's WAR, and peacetime is a Mother F¥€£er.

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