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Dr.Dross

Three decidedly pro-Russian threads? What are you up to?

After initially jumping on the story of Russian hacking after the FBI backed the CIA's accusations, and being quite arrogant and insistent when I did, I finally saw that the little thing about "hard evidence" was missing. I wrote an apology and walked back my stance. However, the suggestion still is by our Intelligence Community that there was hacking by Russia: a wait and see attitude seems appropriate. But you double down on the idea Russia was innocent. In fact, without proof they were not involved, offering nothing substantial that can clear them of wrong-doing, you go to the extreme lengths to call it laughable. How and why? Were there other hackers? Definitely! Does that somehow mean, after our Intelligence agencies claim a Russian link, that they were not involved in some hacking, with or without the desired effect to elect Trump?

At another time in our history, your first post would have been cause to pursue sedition. This is a different time. Yet just because we no longer call it "the Evil Empire," as did Reagan, this does not mean they are our friends. But you are not alone. A bunch of the alt-right were quick to debunk (without evidence) US Intelligence and to rush to Putin's defense. No doubt part or most of the reason for that was not a love for Mother Russia but a defense of Trump's win. Such accusations apparently were looked on by The Donald's fanatics as a political move to besmirch his victory, narrow as it was. To claim the Russians may have had something to do with the outcome essentially took away the voices of those who backed him. That seemed to be seen as a slap in the face to those who cast their ballot to "make America great again" and all that means to each of those voters. Understandable. Yet what if Russia did purposely interfere with our election process for their designed purpose? What should concern the patriot more? Somehow tainting Trump's win through political trickery or that our democracy may have been attacked by a foreign power?

We are a very divided nation and this past election did not help to change that fact. Reason and facts and decency no longer seem wanted in our conversations between factions. Any call for detente or to disarm is seen as treason by both sides. History very clearly tells us over and over and over and over again where this eventually leads: destruction. The hardest and bravest thing any human can do is to be the first to offer an olive branch to their enemy after suffering humiliation and harm. It is the vision that it will only get worse if it is not offered. Yet equally, so is accepting that olive branch. We are a nation that was founded upon the principle of the "greater good for all." Liberty and basic human decency was how and why this country started. But we have become enslaved to our differences and in so doing lost the higher cause of this Republic. There is still a chance for us to find a ground common enough, one that does not desert or impinge of our values--yet it means hard work and great sacrifice.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Dr.Dross wrote:

Three decidedly pro-Russian threads? What are you up to?

After initially jumping on the story of Russian hacking after the FBI backed the CIA's accusations, and being quite arrogant and insistent when I did, I finally saw that the little thing about "hard evidence" was missing. I wrote an apology and walked back my stance. However, the suggestion still is by our Intelligence Community that there was hacking by Russia: a wait and see attitude seems appropriate. But you double down on the idea Russia was innocent. In fact, without proof they were not involved, offering nothing substantial that can clear them of wrong-doing, you go to the extreme lengths to call it laughable. How and why? Were there other hackers? Definitely! Does that somehow mean, after our Intelligence agencies claim a Russian link, that they were not involved in some hacking, with or without the desired effect to elect Trump?

At another time in our history, your first post would have been cause to pursue sedition. This is a different time. Yet just because we no longer call it "the Evil Empire," as did Reagan, this does not mean they are our friends. But you are not alone. A bunch of the alt-right were quick to debunk (without evidence) US Intelligence and to rush to Putin's defense. No doubt part or most of the reason for that was not a love for Mother Russia but a defense of Trump's win. Such accusations apparently were looked on by The Donald's fanatics as a political move to besmirch his victory, narrow as it was. To claim the Russians may have had something to do with the outcome essentially took away the voices of those who backed him. That seemed to be seen as a slap in the face to those who cast their ballot to "make America great again" and all that means to each of those voters. Understandable. Yet what if Russia did purposely interfere with our election process for their designed purpose? What should concern the patriot more? Somehow tainting Trump's win through political trickery or that our democracy may have been attacked by a foreign power?

We are a very divided nation and this past election did not help to change that fact. Reason and facts and decency no longer seem wanted in our conversations between factions. Any call for detente or to disarm is seen as treason by both sides. History very clearly tells us over and over and over and over again where this eventually leads: destruction. The hardest and bravest thing any human can do is to be the first to offer an olive branch to their enemy after suffering humiliation and harm. It is the vision that it will only get worse if it is not offered. Yet equally, so is accepting that olive branch. We are a nation that was founded upon the principle of the "greater good for all." Liberty and basic human decency was how and why this country started. But we have become enslaved to our differences and in so doing lost the higher cause of this Republic. There is still a chance for us to find a ground common enough, one that does not desert or impinge of our values--yet it means hard work and great sacrifice.

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We all laugh at you, KLOWN BOY!

Dr.Dross

America Only wrote:

We all laugh at you, KLOWN BOY!

And Nero fiddled. You are blind--and proud if it! God bless.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Dr.Dross wrote:

In fact, without proof they were not involved...

I believe the standard is the other way: Innocent until proven otherwise.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Dr.Dross wrote:

Three decidedly pro-Russian threads? What are you up to?

After initially jumping on the story of Russian hacking after the FBI backed the CIA's accusations, and being quite arrogant and insistent when I did, I finally saw that the little thing about "hard evidence" was missing. I wrote an apology and walked back my stance. However, the suggestion still is by our Intelligence Community that there was hacking by Russia: a wait and see attitude seems appropriate. But you double down on the idea Russia was innocent. In fact, without proof they were not involved, offering nothing substantial that can clear them of wrong-doing, you go to the extreme lengths to call it laughable. How and why? Were there other hackers? Definitely! Does that somehow mean, after our Intelligence agencies claim a Russian link, that they were not involved in some hacking, with or without the desired effect to elect Trump?

At another time in our history, your first post would have been cause to pursue sedition. This is a different time. Yet just because we no longer call it "the Evil Empire," as did Reagan, this does not mean they are our friends. But you are not alone. A bunch of the alt-right were quick to debunk (without evidence) US Intelligence and to rush to Putin's defense. No doubt part or most of the reason for that was not a love for Mother Russia but a defense of Trump's win. Such accusations apparently were looked on by The Donald's fanatics as a political move to besmirch his victory, narrow as it was. To claim the Russians may have had something to do with the outcome essentially took away the voices of those who backed him. That seemed to be seen as a slap in the face to those who cast their ballot to "make America great again" and all that means to each of those voters. Understandable. Yet what if Russia did purposely interfere with our election process for their designed purpose? What should concern the patriot more? Somehow tainting Trump's win through political trickery or that our democracy may have been attacked by a foreign power?

We are a very divided nation and this past election did not help to change that fact. Reason and facts and decency no longer seem wanted in our conversations between factions. Any call for detente or to disarm is seen as treason by both sides. History very clearly tells us over and over and over and over again where this eventually leads: destruction. The hardest and bravest thing any human can do is to be the first to offer an olive branch to their enemy after suffering humiliation and harm. It is the vision that it will only get worse if it is not offered. Yet equally, so is accepting that olive branch. We are a nation that was founded upon the principle of the "greater good for all." Liberty and basic human decency was how and why this country started. But we have become enslaved to our differences and in so doing lost the higher cause of this Republic. There is still a chance for us to find a ground common enough, one that does not desert or impinge of our values--yet it means hard work and great sacrifice.

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Why do these "Intelligence Agencies" refuse to brief Congress, after repeated requests to do so? Maybe they haven't had time to manufacture evidence yet?
On the subject of facing reality, why is it that after all this time, not one Hillary supporter has ever stated that the emails were false, or bogus? No Democrat has denied the malfeasance within their own DNC. They seem to think that committing a crime is not important, but getting caught at it is a national security issue. Your defense seems to be, "The Russians influenced the election by showing that we influenced the election illegally to benefit Hillary; therefore we need an investigation of the people who caught us committing wrongdoing." An archetypal Liberal viewpoint.

CowboyMilt

Dr.Dross wrote:

Three decidedly pro-Russian threads? What are you up to?

After initially jumping on the story of Russian hacking after the FBI backed the CIA's accusations, and being quite arrogant and insistent when I did, I finally saw that the little thing about "hard evidence" was missing. I wrote an apology and walked back my stance. However, the suggestion still is by our Intelligence Community that there was hacking by Russia: a wait and see attitude seems appropriate. But you double down on the idea Russia was innocent. In fact, without proof they were not involved, offering nothing substantial that can clear them of wrong-doing, you go to the extreme lengths to call it laughable. How and why? Were there other hackers? Definitely! Does that somehow mean, after our Intelligence agencies claim a Russian link, that they were not involved in some hacking, with or without the desired effect to elect Trump?

At another time in our history, your first post would have been cause to pursue sedition. This is a different time. Yet just because we no longer call it "the Evil Empire," as did Reagan, this does not mean they are our friends. But you are not alone. A bunch of the alt-right were quick to debunk (without evidence) US Intelligence and to rush to Putin's defense. No doubt part or most of the reason for that was not a love for Mother Russia but a defense of Trump's win. Such accusations apparently were looked on by The Donald's fanatics as a political move to besmirch his victory, narrow as it was. To claim the Russians may have had something to do with the outcome essentially took away the voices of those who backed him. That seemed to be seen as a slap in the face to those who cast their ballot to "make America great again" and all that means to each of those voters. Understandable. Yet what if Russia did purposely interfere with our election process for their designed purpose? What should concern the patriot more? Somehow tainting Trump's win through political trickery or that our democracy may have been attacked by a foreign power?

We are a very divided nation and this past election did not help to change that fact. Reason and facts and decency no longer seem wanted in our conversations between factions. Any call for detente or to disarm is seen as treason by both sides. History very clearly tells us over and over and over and over again where this eventually leads: destruction. The hardest and bravest thing any human can do is to be the first to offer an olive branch to their enemy after suffering humiliation and harm. It is the vision that it will only get worse if it is not offered. Yet equally, so is accepting that olive branch. We are a nation that was founded upon the principle of the "greater good for all." Liberty and basic human decency was how and why this country started. But we have become enslaved to our differences and in so doing lost the higher cause of this Republic. There is still a chance for us to find a ground common enough, one that does not desert or impinge of our values--yet it means hard work and great sacrifice.

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When one (Hillary) does what she did with her emails, it's like a gift that keeps on giving...hack or leak or gift all becomes the same...she is her own worst enemy & deserves what she got... defeat! The deplorables kicked her butt which was just hanging out...

kenvrla Loc: East Tx Piney Woods

Adopting a " wait and see" attitude on Trump, I have no reason to defend his election. It was a mandate, judging from the overwhelming counties won( Ciinton won 57 versus over 3000 for Trump. Being an "old guy", I grew up with the Communist USSR being the bogeyman. Over 60 years later, the only thing that has not changed is our country still using them as a scapegoat. By the way, communism is dead in Russia...lived there for 3 years doing a contract job. Now, I am sure the trolls will insist I am "defending" Russia. Nope, just going by the current facts as I see them. Am a Viet Vet, by the way, and stand ready to serve again anytime.
As far as this hacking thing goes, I am very well versed in the procedures of a hack, and find our intelligence community sorely lacking in competence on this issue, and find their "explainations" contain fact nor substance. Best to look at everything they say with a critical eye. Not doing so puts us all at risk. Blindly believing is subservience.Either they have the proof (which is almost impossible to get from a pro-hack), or they don't. And they don't.
Would it be a bad thing to have truly good relations with Russia? It would be the best thing, for us, them, and the rest of the world, both politically and economically, to happen in my lifetime. Then maybe we could look deeply into getting our own house in order. Quit buying into our crooked politicians diversionary BS, folks. Only takes focus away from our country's issues. And there are many.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

America Only wrote:

We all laugh at you, KLOWN BOY!

I'm thinking it is stalking kira...Why such interest in her posts otherwise???

Loki Loc: Georgia

kenvrla wrote:

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Your post has the double virtue of being true and succinct.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

There are some funny parts of this story.

One, the information in the emails is true.

Two, the true hackers are rolling on the floor laughing it up.

PJ

We just don't fall for fake news anymore, which is why I love the term "fake news". The MSM just keeps digging their own hole deeper and deeper! It is not like those of on the right are jumping and screaming that the Russians are good guys, we just recognize pure propaganda (fake news) when we see it!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

PJ wrote:

We just don't fall for fake news anymore, which is why I love the term "fake news". The MSM just keeps digging their own hole deeper and deeper! It is not like those of on the right are jumping and screaming that the Russians are good guys, we just recognize pure propaganda (fake news) when we see it!

The Christians n Allepo are cheering Putin and Assad as the only protection they have from the radical Islamic groups, ISIS and the Rebels.

That makes them good guys.

PJ

nwtk2007 wrote:

The Christians n Allepo are cheering Putin and Assad as the only protection they have from the radical Islamic groups, ISIS and the Rebels.

That makes them good guys.

That is true in regards to Allepo.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

kenvrla wrote:

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Welcome and well said...

I think if we are truly interested in uniting the world to work closer together in all independent wants of each, we must show a willingness to meet half way ...Something we lack substantially in doing for far too long now..

At this point no one knows who they can call allies in time of need and our Foreign policy, is, at this time, anyone's best guess...

This "No" mentality that has stagnated our Nation for years now has got to stop..

Fundamental change comes with fundamental movement, not strangleholds to same ole, same ole...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

nwtk2007 wrote:

The Christians n Allepo are cheering Putin and Assad as the only protection they have from the radical Islamic groups, ISIS and the Rebels.

That makes them good guys.

Who else did anything??? Certainly not the exiting pathetic man leaving our oval office in what 3 weeks now???

How about his move against Isreal??
Could he be more obvious?? Oblivious?? Not at all, he intended to do just as he did...Lying his way right to it as well...Respect??? NONE!!!