Rivers

Many modern liberals are fascists at heart who can’t accept losing power; that’s why Bush wasn’t “their” president.

Those liberals are currently bemoaning the fact that Hillary won the popular vote which, according to them, means she should really be president, though were the case reversed we all know they’d be extolling the virtues of the Electoral College.

Driven by a lust for power liberals don’t get that everyone has to follow the rules; demanding the rules change when you lose so that you can win is a sign of immaturity and an unhealthy need for control.

But even if we ignore all that we don’t know if Hillary won the popular vote for the following reasons:

1) It’s the campaign: Trump campaigned to win the Electoral College because that’s how the law works. His people have pointed out that if law was that the popular vote winner won Trump would have spent more time in states that he couldn’t win, like California, in order to get more total votes. In that alternate reality would Trump have won? Neither we nor the Democrats have any idea. But it’s clearly unfair to say that Trump lost because he didn’t follow “rules” that weren’t rules during the election.

2) It’s the voter fraud: Everyone knows that Democrats are the kings of voter fraud. The dead are regular voters in Chicago for example. Similarly, it’s not an accident that California gave drivers licenses to illegals in early 2016 and Obama told illegals that it was safe for them to vote right before the election. A study of the 2008 and 2010 elections shows significant voting by illegals. Take away California and Hillary’s popular vote “victory” disappears. Those states where there are strong movements to let illegals vote, which includes California and New York, went heavily for Hillary. That indicates that voter fraud may have played a more significant role than liberals will admit. No one knows for sure how many people illegally voted, but we can be sure that they voted for Hillary. As a result, no one can say for sure that absent illegal votes Hillary would still have won the popular vote.

3) It’s the uncounted votes: In some states if the number of uncounted ballots is less than the victory margin the ballots are never counted. Hence we can’t know what the actual popular vote total is. That might sound shocking but since the popular vote total doesn’t matter why bother to keep track of it? Uncounted ballots tend to be absentee ballots that tend to favor Republicans that means that it’s quite possible that if all the ballots were counted Trump could win the popular vote.

4) It’s the voter suppression: There is voter suppression in the U.S. but it’s being done by the liberals. In California, there was no Republican candidate for Senate. Because California's voters passed an initiative that had the two highest vote getters in an open primary face each other in the general election. So there were two Democrats running against each other for the Senate. While racist Democrats claim that Blacks are too stupid to get a photo IDs, those same Democrats think that Republicans being denied a candidate on the ballot won’t keep Republicans from voting. The reality is that in California, which everyone knew Trump would lose, the lack of a Republican Senate candidate meant that some Republicans didn’t bother to vote. We can’t know how many but we can be pretty sure they’d have voted for Trump, reducing Hillary’s supposed lead.

5) It’s the Trump factor: It’s no secret that a lot of people held their noses to vote for Trump. Many people in states that were never going to go for Trump, such as California and Virginia, didn’t vote for Trump because they knew it wouldn’t help Hillary -- whom they disliked even more -- and it made them feel like they weren’t supporting Trump. If those people knew that their ballots would have counted they would have voted for Trump.

6) It’s the laziness factor: The reality is that many people vote only because of the presidential race. The media worked hard to make it clear to the residents of many states that their vote would have no impact on who was elected president precisely because of the Electoral College. For the liberal media to now argue that all those Republicans who didn’t vote because the media told them their votes were worthless shouldn’t be counted if we suddenly decide to go by the popular vote is typical liberal dishonesty.

Even if we ignore the fact that the election was about the Electoral College, not about the popular vote we have no way of knowing if Hillary did win the popular vote.

Similarly we have no way of knowing that Hillary would have won the popular vote if the voters, and Trump, had known that the winner would be decided by the popular vote.

When your liberal friend starts spouting about the popular vote you’re now ready to explain why the whole popular vote issue is another example of fake news.

PeterS

It's not a myth, she actually did win by nearly 3 million votes over Trump.

Rivers

It's a myth....read the article dumb ass.

robmull Loc: florida

It's hilarious, Rivers. They all went "Mussolini" on "US." It's almost like the PRE, "pre-k" tussles you see in the rather infantile school yard over a pencil or something. The next sounds you hear will be the "rapid crushing," Saul Alinsky mentioned a few times as a warning to the radical anarchist "movement" that seems to be {again} trying to "overthrow the enemy, America." Hummmmmmmmmm. Perhaps they got tired of reading Saul's blueprint, "Rules for Radicals," {(D)edicated to SATAN, the first radical}, before they got to the more interesting sections about; "if the radical movement isn't strong enough to physically overthrow the enemy, America, the movement will be "rapidly crushed." Hummmmm, again.
"WE" do have to let the "PIGS" {they have been wholesale killing} take care of THAT though. Soon. This Inauguration is going to be the "bong," with all of fascist "Giorgi" Soros', radical MB's, and pinko "red-diaper" Michael Moore's re-rented fleet of busses {200+?}, filled with well-paid radical capitalistic Alinskyite anarchists {and possibly a "smidgeon" of ISIS "jihadists," useful-idiots, LGBTQ, MSA, CPUSA, OWS, BLM, Code Pink, etc.}, headed to NYC, to try to (D)estroy President-elect Trump's "Swearing-in" ceremonies, and {quite futilely} attempting to (D)iscredit and (D)elegitimize PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD J. TRUMP - I LOVE to see that in writing - PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD J. TRUMP!!! GOD BLESSED AMERICA AND THE WORLD!!! I don't mean to seem to be gloating, but I feel it's almost like snatching the carcass of a hard-chased prey from a cackle of Hyenas who had stolen it, and giving it back to the Cheetah that had gone all-out, actually slowly stalked and then taken-it-down {at speeds near 70 MPH}, to feed herself and her cubs!!! Snatched-it-away, "WE" did. And just another thanks to Jose, Leroy, Mary, John and Wong, and their families. "WE" couldn't have done it without YOU!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT ELECT DONALD J. TRUMP!!!

Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!

I had every Trump sign I put up stolen from my yard. Every time they'd steal them, I'd put more up and they'd be gone within a couple of days. I decided I'd go steal some Hillary signs and had to call it a night. I used up a full tank of gas looking for one of her signs and did finally find one but left it because it said Hillary for Prison.

Rivers

Same for my town, you could find Trump signs, and a spattering of Johnson signs, but I never saw one Hillary sign, and only one Hillary bumper sticker.

Rinnai Loc: Japan

The Democrats are going nuts about Hillary winning the popular vote and Trump winning the Electoral College. They now want to eliminate the Electoral College because Gore lost to Bush and now Hillary lost to Trump.

The Electoral College was initiated by our forefathers for this very reason. These old guys were very intelligent and thought through the Electoral College and National voting consequences very carefully. They knew the citizens who lived outside the major cities and towns would not have a voice unless the Electoral College was instituted.

Democrats now hate the Electoral College. If they can eliminate the Electoral College they know they can "rule" the whole country by controlling the populations of major cities. The Democrats can accomplish their "Progressive Socialist" goals if they can control the votes of inner-city blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, and any other new refugees or immigrants whom depend upon the government dole. The only difference for most inner city people today from 1861 is the new slave owner is now the Democratic Party.

Most of the data below reflects only New York. You can only imagine what the numbers would be if you included the West Coast.



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There are 3,141 counties in the United States
Trump won 3,084 of them. (98%)
Clinton won 57. (1.8%)

There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them. (75%)
Clinton won 16. (25%)

Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.

In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties, Trump won Richmond)
Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles. (Even less considering Trump won Richmond County.)
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those that encompass a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.

Rivers

Excellent!