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Nov 30, 2016 12:35:52   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
cesspool jones wrote:
crawl back up mommy's shithole


...Is that where you've been...?

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Nov 30, 2016 12:37:45   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Gatsby wrote:
Down through the years, I have often wondered if Mohammed fulfilled the prophecy of the coming of an Anti-Christ?

Though dead and buried for nearly fifteen hundred years, he still leads.

Islam, in following his self supposed enlightenment, is determined to end Christianity on earth for all time.

There now appears to me to be little room for doubt that Muslims have begun the first crusade of the third millennium AD,

and that this is now a world wide crusade. America is now engaged in a Worldwide War against radical Islam and it is WW III
Down through the years, I have often wondered if M... (show quote)


...as it was Christianity's goal to end Islam...remember the Crusades. Do you think that it is possible for you to understand why they might want to end Christianity?

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Nov 30, 2016 12:38:19   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Of course Islam is the religion of the antichrist. Let's review prophecy as foretold in the book of Revelation in the Bible.
We are instructed that right before Armageddon, Israel will be compassed (or encircled) by her enemies. Hmmm, wonder who those could be? Hindus? Buddhists? Christians? Nope, the same swarm of locusts that are further described in Revelation. The arabs, the sons of Ishmael, who the Bible tells us will be a wild men, and their hand against everyone else.
We're further told that when the abomination of desolation (or antichrist) sits on the Temple Mount and claims to be the Christ all hell will break loose, as in Armageddon. Again, who else claims that holiest of holy spot other than the Muslims who had the audacity to build the Dome of The Rock on that holiest site of the true religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And since then the Muslims keep all non-muslims from going there or worshipping there. And that's the very war that's being waged today. The Arabs want to destroy Israel, wipe them off the map, drive them into the sea. And as God said to Abraham, I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. So which societies are blessed today and which societies are cursed.
There's no doubt about the religion of the antichrist is - Muslims. Inspired by Satan himself who simply consolidated all the diverse arabian religions under one - Islam. And muslims have as their symbol, the same symbol used in the Bible to measure time for the devil, the crescent moon. That makes muslims lunatics!
All time measurements, used in the Bible, to denote Godly time measurements use the sun. All time measurements in the Bible used to denote satanic times uses the moon.
Of course Islam is the religion of the antichrist.... (show quote)


Hahahahaha....stupid crap.

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Nov 30, 2016 16:23:18   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
...as it was Christianity's goal to end Islam...remember the Crusades. Do you think that it is possible for you to understand why they might want to end Christianity?


Why don't you try again on that. The Christians back then were always under attack. Yer pretty damn dim.

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Nov 30, 2016 20:42:20   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
...as it was Christianity's goal to end Islam...remember the Crusades. Do you think that it is possible for you to understand why they might want to end Christianity?


The muslim invasion and systematic aggression against all non muslims caused the Crusades.

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Dec 1, 2016 05:10:46   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
peter11937 wrote:
The muslim invasion and systematic aggression against all non muslims .


=================================

It will continue as long as one muslim is left in the USA

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Dec 1, 2016 09:56:07   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
cesspool jones wrote:
Why don't you try again on that. The Christians back then were always under attack. Yer pretty damn dim.


By whom and where, in Europe? Do you think it was religion issue or geopolitical issue?

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Dec 1, 2016 13:18:35   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
By whom and where, in Europe? Do you think it was religion issue or geopolitical issue?


obviously both

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Dec 15, 2016 11:33:55   #
Rinnai Loc: Japan
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Rianni, You just don't get it. The President has the responsibility to enforce the US Constitution. Mosques may be objectionable to some misguided Americans, but Muslims, like every religious group in this great land, have a Constitutional right to have a house of worship, just like Catholics, Baptists, Jews, and all the others. If that precious right is taken away from Muslims, it can be taken away from anybody.


Really you don't get it! Many people in the West are significantly confused about the true nature of a mosque.

To understand what a mosque is, one must first understand what Islam is. To be a muslim€ is to be one who submits to Islam. To submit to Islam is to submit to the law of Allah sharia. 100% of all sharia mandates jihad until the world is under Islamic rule (sharia). Jihad is only defined in sharia as warfare against non-Muslims.€

The mosque is the center of all life in the Islamic community. Islam defines itself as a €œcomplete way of life (social, cultural, military, political, legal and religious) and the mosque is the center of all things social, cultural, military, political, legal and religious.
According to Islam, the perfect example for all mankind is Mohammad. The koran says so.

€œAnd thou (Mohammad) standest on an exalted standard of character. Koran 68:4

€œYe have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. Koran 33:21

Why do Muslims step their right foot into the mosque first? Because Mohammad did it.

Why is it unlawful for Muslim men to wear gold? Because Mohammad forbid it.

Why is it okay for a 60 year old Muslim man to marry a 7 year old girl? Because Mohammad married Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the relationship when she was 9.

Why is it okay for Muslims to war against non-Muslims? Because Mohammad said it and Mohammad did it.

How did Mohammad use the first mosque in Medina? It was used for: social gatherings; for legal rulings; for teaching Islam; for storing food, water, ammunition and weapons; for housing jihadis; for planning battles; and it was the place from which jihadi was launched.

Mosques are the center of the Islamic State, and the places from which Islam enforces its will on the community and on the world.

This is why all over the world, military and security services continue to find weapons and explosives in mosques, and the mosques teach jihad is obligatory for the muslim community.

The mosques our military went into in Iraq and Afghanistan had weapons.

The mosques recently raided by European security officials had weapons or evidence of weapons and/or explosives training.

The evidence in the largest terrorism financing and Hamas trial ever successfully prosecuted in American history (US v Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, Dallas 2008) reveals the most prominent Islamic organizations in the U.S. are a part of a massive jihadi network whose stated objective is to wage €œCivilization Jihad€ to destroy our system of government and establish an Islamic State (caliphate) under sharia here. The evidence also reveals the Muslim Brotherhood Islamic Centers/Mosques are the places at which jihadi train for battle and from which the jihad will be launched.

All of the mosques our military entered during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and mosques that European authorities have raided in the last two years have had weapons in them. The mosque is what Mohammad used a mosque for, and the launch point for jihad is one of those purposes.

There are over 2400 Islamic Centers/Mosques in America, most of which are a part of the MB€™s jihadi network.
Reports from around the country from civilian and law enforcement sources reveal: Mosques and Islamic organizations are being built in strategic locations €“ near key infrastructure facilities, military bases, or some other key position in the community; taxi cab drivers at the largest airports in the U.S. are Muslim; and there is a noticeable increase in sharia-compliant Muslim TSA officers, baggage handlers and airline/airport employees at U.S. airports.

Additionally: Muslims are purchasing hotels, quick marts, and 7-11 type stores with gas stations, and a majority of major hotels in cities across the U.S. have a manager or assistant manager who is a Muslim, which is statistically impossible unless this activity is intentional.

Quick marts and gas stations provide their Movement with a logistics train that will be needed in a battle. Having people in leadership positions at major hotels in major cities, where law enforcement and intelligence groups and others hold conferences, serve as excellent intelligence gathering nodes.

Jihadis have penetrated U.S. federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies giving them access to sensitive intelligence systems, while simultaneously they have shut down real threat-based training inside these same agencies under the guise factual/truth-based training is “offensive to Muslims.€

Jihadis have themselves penetrated senior levels of the government (eg Suhail Khan working for two successive Secretaries of Transportation with access to classified critical infrastructure details), and have recruited senior U.S. government officials to promote and protect their interests which are hostile to the U.S. (most recent example €“ Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson promoting and defending leading MB organization ISNA and speaking at their annual convention expressly to open the door to more Cabinet officials to do the same).

Key jihadi organizations, like Hamas (doing business as the Council on American Islamic Relations/CAIR) work on Capitol Hill and inside government agencies to keep truthful discussions about the Islamic threat from ever happening, while plotting to work with Al Qaeda (as evidenced by UTT’s Chris Gaubatz discovery of a CAIR document dated 3/08/04 at their headquarters in Washington, D.C. stating, “Attempt to understand Islamic movements in the area, and start supporting Islamic groups including Mr. bin Laden and his associates”).


Now, the U.S. government is bringing tens of thousands of sharia adherent Muslims into our nation. From the Islamic perspective, these people are Muhajaroun those who make the hijra into the non-Muslim lands in preparation for the Final Stage,€ which is armed conflict with the host country. This is all a part of their strategy, and is consistent with core Islamic doctrine.

Finally, we are currently observing the Marxist/Socialist Movement in the U.S. working directly with the Islamic Movement at the ground and strategic levels. Both have publicly declared their support for one another, they are both receiving funding from hard-left Marxists/socialists (eg George Soros) and foreign powers, and both are openly pushing for confrontation with and the overthrow of the U.S. government.

The Islamic Movement in the United States is deeply embedded in the U.S. decision-making process, has thousands of organizations and allies, possesses a logistics train of fuel and supplies, conducts weapons training programs, has access to U.S. intelligence systems, is well funded (primarily by Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc), has strategic plans for North America (An Explanatory Memorandum) and has a plan to implement the strategy (Implementation Manual) which they are following.

The U.S. response is to say €œIslam is a religion of peace and work with the very Muslim leaders who are driving this hostile network.

Victory is not possible with this recipe.

Each year there are between 70 and 120 new Islamic non-profits being created in America, most of which appear to be working directly in line with the Muslim Brotherhood€™s plan to wage civilization jihad until €œZero Hour€ when the war goes hot.

Until then, they continue to prep the battlefield because they are really at war with us because they are following sharia€“ core Islamic doctrine as their blueprint for what they are doing.



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Dec 15, 2016 11:43:53   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Rinnai wrote:
Really you don't get it! Many people in the West are significantly confused about the true nature of a mosque.

To understand what a mosque is, one must first understand what Islam is. To be a muslim€ is to be one who submits to Islam. To submit to Islam is to submit to the law of Allah sharia. 100% of all sharia mandates jihad until the world is under Islamic rule (sharia). Jihad is only defined in sharia as warfare against non-Muslims.€

The mosque is the center of all life in the Islamic community. Islam defines itself as a €œcomplete way of life (social, cultural, military, political, legal and religious) and the mosque is the center of all things social, cultural, military, political, legal and religious.
According to Islam, the perfect example for all mankind is Mohammad. The koran says so.

€œAnd thou (Mohammad) standest on an exalted standard of character. Koran 68:4

€œYe have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. Koran 33:21

Why do Muslims step their right foot into the mosque first? Because Mohammad did it.

Why is it unlawful for Muslim men to wear gold? Because Mohammad forbid it.

Why is it okay for a 60 year old Muslim man to marry a 7 year old girl? Because Mohammad married Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the relationship when she was 9.

Why is it okay for Muslims to war against non-Muslims? Because Mohammad said it and Mohammad did it.

How did Mohammad use the first mosque in Medina? It was used for: social gatherings; for legal rulings; for teaching Islam; for storing food, water, ammunition and weapons; for housing jihadis; for planning battles; and it was the place from which jihadi was launched.

Mosques are the center of the Islamic State, and the places from which Islam enforces its will on the community and on the world.

This is why all over the world, military and security services continue to find weapons and explosives in mosques, and the mosques teach jihad is obligatory for the muslim community.

The mosques our military went into in Iraq and Afghanistan had weapons.

The mosques recently raided by European security officials had weapons or evidence of weapons and/or explosives training.

The evidence in the largest terrorism financing and Hamas trial ever successfully prosecuted in American history (US v Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, Dallas 2008) reveals the most prominent Islamic organizations in the U.S. are a part of a massive jihadi network whose stated objective is to wage €œCivilization Jihad€ to destroy our system of government and establish an Islamic State (caliphate) under sharia here. The evidence also reveals the Muslim Brotherhood Islamic Centers/Mosques are the places at which jihadi train for battle and from which the jihad will be launched.

All of the mosques our military entered during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and mosques that European authorities have raided in the last two years have had weapons in them. The mosque is what Mohammad used a mosque for, and the launch point for jihad is one of those purposes.

There are over 2400 Islamic Centers/Mosques in America, most of which are a part of the MB€™s jihadi network.
Reports from around the country from civilian and law enforcement sources reveal: Mosques and Islamic organizations are being built in strategic locations €“ near key infrastructure facilities, military bases, or some other key position in the community; taxi cab drivers at the largest airports in the U.S. are Muslim; and there is a noticeable increase in sharia-compliant Muslim TSA officers, baggage handlers and airline/airport employees at U.S. airports.

Additionally: Muslims are purchasing hotels, quick marts, and 7-11 type stores with gas stations, and a majority of major hotels in cities across the U.S. have a manager or assistant manager who is a Muslim, which is statistically impossible unless this activity is intentional.

Quick marts and gas stations provide their Movement with a logistics train that will be needed in a battle. Having people in leadership positions at major hotels in major cities, where law enforcement and intelligence groups and others hold conferences, serve as excellent intelligence gathering nodes.

Jihadis have penetrated U.S. federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies giving them access to sensitive intelligence systems, while simultaneously they have shut down real threat-based training inside these same agencies under the guise factual/truth-based training is “offensive to Muslims.€

Jihadis have themselves penetrated senior levels of the government (eg Suhail Khan working for two successive Secretaries of Transportation with access to classified critical infrastructure details), and have recruited senior U.S. government officials to promote and protect their interests which are hostile to the U.S. (most recent example €“ Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson promoting and defending leading MB organization ISNA and speaking at their annual convention expressly to open the door to more Cabinet officials to do the same).

Key jihadi organizations, like Hamas (doing business as the Council on American Islamic Relations/CAIR) work on Capitol Hill and inside government agencies to keep truthful discussions about the Islamic threat from ever happening, while plotting to work with Al Qaeda (as evidenced by UTT’s Chris Gaubatz discovery of a CAIR document dated 3/08/04 at their headquarters in Washington, D.C. stating, “Attempt to understand Islamic movements in the area, and start supporting Islamic groups including Mr. bin Laden and his associates”).


Now, the U.S. government is bringing tens of thousands of sharia adherent Muslims into our nation. From the Islamic perspective, these people are Muhajaroun those who make the hijra into the non-Muslim lands in preparation for the Final Stage,€ which is armed conflict with the host country. This is all a part of their strategy, and is consistent with core Islamic doctrine.

Finally, we are currently observing the Marxist/Socialist Movement in the U.S. working directly with the Islamic Movement at the ground and strategic levels. Both have publicly declared their support for one another, they are both receiving funding from hard-left Marxists/socialists (eg George Soros) and foreign powers, and both are openly pushing for confrontation with and the overthrow of the U.S. government.

The Islamic Movement in the United States is deeply embedded in the U.S. decision-making process, has thousands of organizations and allies, possesses a logistics train of fuel and supplies, conducts weapons training programs, has access to U.S. intelligence systems, is well funded (primarily by Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc), has strategic plans for North America (An Explanatory Memorandum) and has a plan to implement the strategy (Implementation Manual) which they are following.

The U.S. response is to say €œIslam is a religion of peace and work with the very Muslim leaders who are driving this hostile network.

Victory is not possible with this recipe.

Each year there are between 70 and 120 new Islamic non-profits being created in America, most of which appear to be working directly in line with the Muslim Brotherhood€™s plan to wage civilization jihad until €œZero Hour€ when the war goes hot.

Until then, they continue to prep the battlefield because they are really at war with us because they are following sharia€“ core Islamic doctrine as their blueprint for what they are doing.
Really you don't get it! Many people in the West a... (show quote)



I'd be very interested to know how
much time you've spent in mosques and talking to Muslims.

Unless you have done a lot of that, your position seems to be much like what I would expect of an average Muslim who has never been in a church to be of Christianity.

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Dec 16, 2016 10:21:22   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Rinnai, While I find some of the beliefs of jihadists a problem for American democracy, I believe that all peoples have the right to practice any religion they choose. It is our right as Americans as described in the First Amendment of the Constitution. . The founding fathers rightly understood that if they take freedom of religion away from one group, it can be taken away from everybody.
Rinnai wrote:
Anywhere American law and Islamic law conflict, it’s American law that has to give way.

Islamic supremacists and Muslim Brotherhood organizations like CAIR have once again called upon their running dogs at the Department of Justice, to impose the sharia and usurp American law for Islamic law. The DoJ has become the de facto legal arm of terror-tied Muslim Brotherhood groups in this country. What small town can go up against the U.S. government’s vast resources and endless taxpayer-funded muscle?

In a striking violation of the establishment clause, Obama’s lawless administration is imposing the Shariah nationwide, allowing the rampant construction of rabats and jihad recruitment centers at a time when we should be monitoring the mosques and restricting construction of Muslim Brotherhood beachheads and Islamic State madrassas.

“Justice Dept. sues NJ township for rejecting mosque,” by Kelly Cohen, Washington Examiner, November 22, 2016:

The Justice Department announced on Tuesday it is suing Bernards Township, N.J., because it denied zoning approval for the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge to build a mosque on land it owns.

The township in December unanimously voted down the Islamic Society’s application to build a mosque, which the Justice Department says violates the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act.

In the complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey, the department said the denial was discriminatory based on the Islamic Society’s members’ religion. The denial imposed a substantial burden on the Islamic Society’s religious exercise, according to the complaint, it said.

The complaint also alleged that the township violated the law “by amending its zoning ordinance in a manner that imposes unreasonable limitations on all religious assemblies.”

According to Justice Department officials, the land where the Islamic Society wanted to build the mosque is located in a zone that permitted construction of places of worship as a matter of right at the time of the zoning request.

“As alleged in the complaint, Bernards Township has treated the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge differently than other houses of worship,” said U.S. Attorney for New Jersey Paul Fishman in a statement. “RLUIPA ensures that municipalities must treat religious land use applications like any other land use application. But here, township officials kept moving the goalposts by using ever-changing local requirements to effectively deny this religious community the same access as other faiths.”…
Anywhere American law and Islamic law conflict, it... (show quote)

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Dec 17, 2016 10:36:56   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Rinnai, Obama has never advocated Sharia law. He has always been a champion of the US Constitution. In case you didn't know, The First Amendment guarantees that every American has the right to freedom of religion, including Islam. The establishment of Islamic schools in this country is to a large extent the result of Saudi contributions. I am not familiar with what goes on in these schools, but I seriously doubt if anybody is advocating doing away with American law in favor of Islamic law, especially President Obama.
Rinnai wrote:
Anywhere American law and Islamic law conflict, it’s American law that has to give way.

Islamic supremacists and Muslim Brotherhood organizations like CAIR have once again called upon their running dogs at the Department of Justice, to impose the sharia and usurp American law for Islamic law. The DoJ has become the de facto legal arm of terror-tied Muslim Brotherhood groups in this country. What small town can go up against the U.S. government’s vast resources and endless taxpayer-funded muscle?

In a striking violation of the establishment clause, Obama’s lawless administration is imposing the Shariah nationwide, allowing the rampant construction of rabats and jihad recruitment centers at a time when we should be monitoring the mosques and restricting construction of Muslim Brotherhood beachheads and Islamic State madrassas.

“Justice Dept. sues NJ township for rejecting mosque,” by Kelly Cohen, Washington Examiner, November 22, 2016:

The Justice Department announced on Tuesday it is suing Bernards Township, N.J., because it denied zoning approval for the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge to build a mosque on land it owns.

The township in December unanimously voted down the Islamic Society’s application to build a mosque, which the Justice Department says violates the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act.

In the complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey, the department said the denial was discriminatory based on the Islamic Society’s members’ religion. The denial imposed a substantial burden on the Islamic Society’s religious exercise, according to the complaint, it said.

The complaint also alleged that the township violated the law “by amending its zoning ordinance in a manner that imposes unreasonable limitations on all religious assemblies.”

According to Justice Department officials, the land where the Islamic Society wanted to build the mosque is located in a zone that permitted construction of places of worship as a matter of right at the time of the zoning request.

“As alleged in the complaint, Bernards Township has treated the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge differently than other houses of worship,” said U.S. Attorney for New Jersey Paul Fishman in a statement. “RLUIPA ensures that municipalities must treat religious land use applications like any other land use application. But here, township officials kept moving the goalposts by using ever-changing local requirements to effectively deny this religious community the same access as other faiths.”…
Anywhere American law and Islamic law conflict, it... (show quote)

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