I agree too, the government should do nothing more for the people than what they can't do for themselves. Does that mean no welfare? No, but we could do things a lot better. It is much more efficient to go down to the homeless shelter and directly give them a hundred dollar bill. That way all of the money goes to the shelter, not just less than 10 cents on the dollar. Doesn't that make more sense? The homeless people would have much better care, even if a much smaller percentage of people contributed. We could do that with so many things, and the country would be so much better off. The government tries to do everything for us and that is a liberal concept. But the government is not efficient. Private enterprise can do things so much better.

And the constitution is paramount. The liberals keep chipping away at it, because the liberals at the top, (and many conservatives so called as well) do not want liberty, they want unprecedented power. The global elite hate freedom because they think the average person on the street is too ignorant to govern themselves. So they resort to lies and more lies, deception and more deception, to get their way. And the liberals on this forum just fall for the lie over and over again, not realizing the dangerous path they are taking. A lot of the liberals on the street are really conservatives and just don't know it, because they are unaware of howupon l much disinformation is out there, and how much they have been lied to. Enough said for now.

The leftist policies designed to help the people, must have layers upon layers of administrative (do nothings) bloated government b.s and as you said when the 10 cents on the dollar isn't working, then increase taxes for higher budget and add more administration.
We have watched this liberal socialist policy administration cycle repeat itself for over a generation.
What liberals are incapable of understanding is smaller government (less layers of administration ), less regulations and exercise the existing program fraud protections, laws which prohibit the non qualified. Billions of dollars go to recipient's of government programs that do not qualify, meaning get the liberals out of the positions that instead of protecting the programs. Have a mindset of increasing recipient's like it's a sales contest.

CARRIER DEAL

Cost to taxpayers $7 million
Jobs saved that were not leaving anyway 800
Carrier still moving 1300 jobs to Mexico

Long term deal now encourages large companies to begin to shake down state, local and Federal government when ever they want money. Republicans calling this a great deal and Trump has been elevated to move over Ronald Reagan Trump is headed for Rushmore.

Every Savvy CEO will now threaten to ship jobs to Mexico and demand a payment to stay. But Republicans love this agenda. Another hidden subsidy for the corporate elite.

Obama successful auto rescue that republican wanted to let the Auto industry go bankrupt due to the Bush recession saved well over a million Jobs by giving them a low interest loan with stock options that got paid back with interest ended up making money for the federal government. But the same people applauding the orange haired freak attacked Obama.
But the right wing freaks on OPP would never give Obama credit.

So I guess we are entering into the Trump presidency of PR stunts to pacify the right wing freaks on OPP. Nobody can see this guy scammed the American tax payers by spending $7 million and saved 800 jobs that were not going anywhere.

He did the same BS with the ford plant and you freaks love this guy. If Ford only knew he could have held out for $50 million. That says carrier is a lot smarter than Ford. Carrier knows this orange haired freak is a dumb SOB.

Great job Govenor Pence you're tax payers are footing the bill for a pathologist cal lier.

The leftist policies designed to help the people, must have layers upon layers of administrative (do nothings) bloated government b.s and as you said when the 10 cents on the dollar isn't working, then increase taxes for higher budget and add more administration.
We have watched this liberal socialist policy administration cycle repeat itself for over a generation.
What liberals are incapable of understanding is smaller government (less layers of administration ), less regulations and exercise the existing program fraud protections, laws which prohibit the non qualified. Billions of dollars go to recipient's of government programs that do not qualify, meaning get the liberals out of the positions that instead of protecting the programs. Have a mindset of increasing recipient's like it's a sales contest.

CARRIER DEAL

Cost to taxpayers $7 million
Jobs saved that were not leaving anyway 800
Carrier still moving 1300 jobs to Mexico

Long term deal now encourages large companies to begin to shake down state, local and Federal government when ever they want money. Republicans calling this a great deal and Trump has been elevated to move over Ronald Reagan Trump is headed for Rushmore.

Every Savvy CEO will now threaten to ship jobs to Mexico and demand a payment to stay. But Republicans love this agenda. Another hidden subsidy for the corporate elite.


Obama successful auto rescue that republican wanted to let the Auto industry go bankrupt due to the Bush recession saved well over a million Jobs by giving them a low interest loan with stock options that got paid back with interest ended up making money for the federal government. But the same people applauding the orange haired freak attacked Obama.
But the right wing freaks on OPP would never give Obama credit.

So I guess we are entering into the Trump presidency of PR stunts to pacify the right wing freaks on OPP. Nobody can see this guy scammed the American tax payers by spending $7 million and saved 800 jobs that were not going anywhere.

He did the same BS with the ford plant and you freaks love this guy. If Ford only knew he could have held out for $50 million. That says carrier is a lot smarter than Ford. Carrier knows this orange haired freak is a dumb SOB.

Great job Govenor Pence you're tax payers are footing the bill for a pathologist cal lier.

CARRIER DEAL

Cost to taxpayers $7 million
Jobs saved that were not leaving anyway 800
Carrier still moving 1300 jobs to Mexico

Long term deal now encourages large companies to begin to shake down state, local and Federal government when ever they want money. Republicans calling this a great deal and Trump has been elevated to move over Ronald Reagan Trump is headed for Rushmore.

Every Savvy CEO will now threaten to ship jobs to Mexico and demand a payment to stay. But Republicans love this agenda. Another hidden subsidy for the corporate elite.

Obama successful auto rescue that republican wanted to let the Auto industry go bankrupt due to the Bush recession saved well over a million Jobs by giving them a low interest loan with stock options that got paid back with interest ended up making money for the federal government. But the same people applauding the orange haired freak attacked Obama.
But the right wing freaks on OPP would never give Obama credit.

So I guess we are entering into the Trump presidency of PR stunts to pacify the right wing freaks on OPP. Nobody can see this guy scammed the American tax payers by spending $7 million and saved 800 jobs that were not going anywhere.

He did the same BS with the ford plant and you freaks love this guy. If Ford only knew he could have held out for $50 million. That says carrier is a lot smarter than Ford. Carrier knows this orange haired freak is a dumb SOB.

Great job Govenor Pence you're tax payers are footing the bill for a pathologist cal lier.

CARRIER DEAL

Cost to taxpayers $7 million
Jobs saved that were not leaving anyway 800
Carrier still moving 1300 jobs to Mexico

Long term deal now encourages large companies to begin to shake down state, local and Federal government when ever they want money. Republicans calling this a great deal and Trump has been elevated to move over Ronald Reagan Trump is headed for Rushmore.

Every Savvy CEO will now threaten to ship jobs to Mexico and demand a payment to stay. But Republicans love this agenda. Another hidden subsidy for the corporate elite.

Obama successful auto rescue that republican wanted to let the Auto industry go bankrupt due to the Bush recession saved well over a million Jobs by giving them a low interest loan with stock options that got paid back with interest ended up making money for the federal government. But the same people applauding the orange haired freak attacked Obama.
But the right wing freaks on OPP would never give Obama credit.

So I guess we are entering into the Trump presidency of PR stunts to pacify the right wing freaks on OPP. Nobody can see this guy scammed the American tax payers by spending $7 million and saved 800 jobs that were not going anywhere.

He did the same BS with the ford plant and you freaks love this guy. If Ford only knew he could have held out for $50 million. That says carrier is a lot smarter than Ford. Carrier knows this orange haired freak is a dumb SOB.

Great job Govenor Pence you're tax payers are footing the bill for a pathologist cal lier.

Republicans blocked all funding to close Guamtonamo. Do you people ever read legislation or do you dream this shit up.
800,000 billion created 1.8 million jobs saved 3.5 million jobs, expanded Internet to rural areas built and repaired 45,000 miles of road, extended unemployment due to Bush recession, built 1200 new mass transit vehicals, repaired or replaced clean and waste water facilities, plus sent subsidies to each state averaging 7 to 9,5 billion in subsidies..
Again what the hell is wrong with you people don't you read a simple little CBO on the stimulus or just believe what Fox News tells you.

And you BS on illegals is just that BS

Wall Street did better because Obama got people back to work. When people work they buy stuff when you buy stuff Wall Street does great.

See the real problem with liberals is that they think that they're entitled to the money you earn.

They feel that if they can take it from you, then it's their money.

However, anyone with even a half a brain will ask, who really pays the taxes.

If the owner of the company actually pays the taxes out of his income, then I guess he could mortgage his house to pay them the first year.

But, what about next year, once everything he owns is mortgaged, where will the money come from to pay the taxes?.......................................................anyone?

The taxes are paid by raising the price of the product or service he is selling.....................Duuuuuuuugh!

In this country, are there more rich consumers or poor consumers in this country.

Most people are less than rich and they are the ones that are paying the taxes.

Now, a business could sell to other businesses, but, that would increase the cost of them doing business, as they would have to pay the high tax from the first business and add their high tax rate onto their own product or service as well.

And who pays for that?

The taxpayers of America that make up the majority of consumers of America.

If the tax rate gets the cost of the product or service up beyond the ability for the average consumer to pay, then one of two things will happen, either:

1. The company will go out of business.
Ending all employment and reducing the taxes collected to zero
2. The company moves to a different country where the tax rates and the regulation are not strangling it.
Ending the taxes being collected in this country and giving them to another country.
It also ends the jobs in this country and gives them to another country.

And liberals think that this is a smart move.

Because, now the workers can buy things they can't afford now, with their government unemployment checks, that are not supported by taxes, that are not collected anymore, because they don't have a job and there's no companies to work for to pay them or the taxes.

Lowering the tax rate, all by itself, puts money in the pocket of the average American, because they no longer have to pay the increase in cost of that tax being added to the costs of the product or service.

If the government doesn't spend money like a drunken sailor, then the government doesn't have to collect those taxes needed to pay for it.

This is not rocket science, it's simple math.

But, for the average liberal, it might just as well be quantum physics or string theory.

They don't get it.

liberals didn't seem to mind when Obama scammed them on 800 billion worth of stimulus. Didn't seem to mind when the Wall Streeters did better than ever under Obama. Oh yea, none of them went to jail either. Liberals didn't seem to mind that Obama didn't close Guantanamo. Liberals never complain about the $25,000 spent per refugee family. 280 refugee families = $7,000,000.00. Only an anti American POS liberal could complain about tax breaks to keep American families in jobs and never complain about Muslim refugees, who produce nothing. Except, perhaps bombs getting actual tax payer dollars.