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Nov 30, 2016 16:51:46   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
permafrost wrote:
This is the link to the article that most of this came from..

15 months..... That did not sound correct to me either.. that came from a short piece that I decided is BS... "bypartison news" or something... started popping up on my news a week or two ago and do not think it is a good site.. Fake news??


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dont-miss-the-fine-print-trumps-carrier-news?cid=sm_fb_maddow

You know frosty Rachel Maddow is a little biased. I would feel much better about you information if it had come from Alex Jones.๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ˆ

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Nov 30, 2016 17:05:11   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ricko wrote:
permafrost-believe you will see the lights on in the Oval Office from early morning until late at night. Trump is known to be a workaholic and since he will have something to prove to America you can count on him putting in long hours. The man is obviously not doing this for money as he has all he needs. His children are running the conglomerate so he is free and could have chosen to live at ease and in luxury. Instead, he volunteered to do what is basically a thankless and very demanding job. If he can make America better for everyone, why would we not at least give him a chance to do so ? I believe Pence is a great choice for VP and you are possibly correct that it could be he who got Carrier on board . I will be sorely disappointed if Trump does not give this his all. Good Luck America !!!
permafrost-believe you will see the lights on in t... (show quote)



Rick,

I hope you are right.. Seems to me we could all use an outstanding leader and bring us back together.

Not sure that i buy that "has all the money he needs"... No, not what I mean... all the money he wants is what I question. the richest person I know is one who will never have all he wants..

Yes, Trump is a workaholic. Maybe his need to be the best will turn out fine for all of us.. would love that..

can not agree with you about Pence...

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Nov 30, 2016 17:12:11   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
kenjay wrote:
You know frosty Rachel Maddow is a little biased. I would feel much better about you information if it had come from Alex Jones.๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ˆ



Ken,

You do not care for Rachel Maddow... I am astounded.....LOL

does Alex Jones care???

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Nov 30, 2016 17:16:35   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Cool Breeze wrote:
You are addicted to Oligarchic rule. The middle class is in for a trrat! Trump has surrounded himself with privatization cronies. The flock is about to be fleeced. The poor have nothing to lose.



Oligarchic rule? Spoken like a true Proletariat soldier. I like 'the poor have nothing to lose' too ... being an obvious subscriber to Marxist/Alinsky style leftism you certainly know that having nothing to lose is specifically what makes the poor so valuable in any Leftist revolution. You also know that for any solid Leftist democracy (if I may use that term so loosely) to be successful the so-called middle class must be eradicated. The proverbial playing field must be level with only two classes; the elite and the lower. With that I will meet you half way on the middle class being in for, well, something. I don't know if treat is exactly appropriate. If Trump is not the treacherous phony you think or hope he is then the lot of the traditional American middle class will improve by default of the elimination of Obama's attack on same in keeping with the goals of the (his) ideology. If on the other hand Trump is a villainous bastard he will simply finish what Obama started, the elite will all be happy and the middle class will be no more. Either way it will be easy to measure and assess what direction it's taking very soon.

In the meantime, there ain't much any of us can do about it until the next voting cycle.

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Nov 30, 2016 17:24:54   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
permafrost wrote:
This is the link to the article that most of this came from..

15 months..... That did not sound correct to me either.. that came from a short piece that I decided is BS... "bypartison news" or something... started popping up on my news a week or two ago and do not think it is a good site.. Fake news??


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dont-miss-the-fine-print-trumps-carrier-news?cid=sm_fb_maddow


Uhhhh... MSNBC? Rachel Maddow? Oh excuse me Colonel Sanders, sir but where did all the chickens go?

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Nov 30, 2016 17:43:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
CDM wrote:
Uhhhh... MSNBC? Rachel Maddow? Oh excuse me Colonel Sanders, sir but where did all the chickens go?




CDM,

Gee, I am amazed that no one seems to rally to Rachel s words.. She seem so open and caring...

Well perhaps I should see what Ann Coulter has to say.. Wait... that would not make me happy..

Clearly I have no recourse then to hang with Rachel...

Maybe Vehoe can still be found...

Oh well, I am stuck... Have a nice night...

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Nov 30, 2016 18:01:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
More info..

A pretty good article. Praise for Trump, yet if you read on, it points out the role of Pense and raises some questions..


http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/30/politics/donald-trump-carrier-jobs-analysis/index.html

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump staked his credibility as a negotiator -- the underpinning of his grand entrance to politics -- on a very specific claim.

He wouldn't just stop the trend of globalization and outsourcing. He'd convince Carrier -- an Indianapolis-based air-conditioning manufacturer -- to abandon its plans to eliminate more than 2,000 Hoosier jobs and shift its production to Mexico.
Well before even taking office, he's delivered -- Tuesday night the company announced it would keep about 1,000 of those jobs in Indiana.
And he's shed light on how he might use the levers of government to pressure companies that plan to ship jobs overseas in the future, too.
It was well-timed victory for Trump, who also rolled out his economic team, tapping Steven Mnuchin for treasury secretary and billionaire Wilbur Ross to head the Department of Commerce.
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Both Mnuchin and Ross come with public relations warts -- including Mnuchin's time as a Goldman Sachs partner and hedge fund manager and Ross' "king of bankruptcy" nickname. But in securing a deal with Carrier, Trump is lending credibility to his claims that he'd put people he'd called "killers" -- meant as a compliment -- to help American workers.
The details of the Carrier deal remain obscure. Trump's campaign has deflected questions on exactly how the company was convinced to stay in Indiana -- pointing reporters to the company and its much larger parent, United Technologies. The fate of Carrier's plant in Huntington, Indiana, which employed 700, is also unclear.

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Nov 30, 2016 18:02:18   #
J.A.F.I.1946
 
AT EASE? Because obviously you never served in the Military Therefore you must have served in the sissy scouts with your sweet little friends?

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Nov 30, 2016 18:29:11   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
permafrost wrote:
Ken,

You do not care for Rachel Maddow... I am astounded.....LOL

does Alex Jones care???

Probably not be can be out there a bit

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Nov 30, 2016 19:51:50   #
righty Loc: Tenn
 
permafrost wrote:
This is the link to the article that most of this came from..

15 months..... That did not sound correct to me either.. that came from a short piece that I decided is BS... "bypartison news" or something... started popping up on my news a week or two ago and do not think it is a good site.. Fake news??


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dont-miss-the-fine-print-trumps-carrier-news?cid=sm_fb_maddow


I still say it's baloney. This is from the article, "In this case, Trump didnโ€™t use his self-professed expertise in negotiations to reach a compromise with Carrier. Rather, he and the state of Indiana gave Carrier lots of money through state โ€œincentivesโ€ and tax breaks in order to convince the company to stay". Since when does a President Elect have any authority to give any incentives, particularly state tax incentives?

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Nov 30, 2016 20:08:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
righty wrote:
I still say it's baloney. This is from the article, "In this case, Trump didnโ€™t use his self-professed expertise in negotiations to reach a compromise with Carrier. Rather, he and the state of Indiana gave Carrier lots of money through state โ€œincentivesโ€ and tax breaks in order to convince the company to stay". Since when does a President Elect have any authority to give any incentives, particularly state tax incentives?



righty,

Pence would give the state incentives and Trump the promise for incentives when in office..

But I want to add, watched BBC news tonight and per those comments, incentives went not so much to carrier but to the parent company, United etc etc.. what ever its name is.
Can Trump do this on a regular basis? Have no idea. But in the same small city that carrier is in a small ball bearing company is also moving to Mexico, dropping a few hundred jobs in Indiana. No approach was made to that company at all..

With 12,000,000 people employed in manufacturing in our nation. Trump can not give every company which threatens to move a bunch of expensive incentives..

But for a politician, this was a dream come true. Before he is even in office, Trump can brag that he delved on a campaign promise..

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Nov 30, 2016 20:31:18   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
Cool Breeze wrote:
Trunp has made history. Even before officially taking office he has saved American Jobs! He has done more for America than Obama has in eight years in office.
Trump is Amazing! Liberals kneel before your President Elect!

The president-elect is likely to claim that his great dealmaking skills are responsible for making the agreement happen, but what he wonโ€™t say is that United Technologies โ€“ Carrierโ€™s parent company โ€“ was basically bribed with taxpayer dollars to keep a few hundred jobs in Indiana โ€“ and it had nothing to do with Trump himself. https://rdeliason.com/2016/11/29/the-emoluments-clause-bribery-and-president-trump/
Trunp has made history. Even before officially tak... (show quote)


Like all the voter fraud you guys deny, do you have proof of the bribe?

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Nov 30, 2016 20:39:35   #
vernon
 
Cool Breeze wrote:
Actually its Dud-Elect!



Do you realize that obama lost 800,000 mfg jobs while he is in office.and if tpp gets passed it will cost another 2 million jobs.just where do you think this needs to stop?

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Nov 30, 2016 20:44:21   #
vernon
 
permafrost wrote:
righty,

Pence would give the state incentives and Trump the promise for incentives when in office..

But I want to add, watched BBC news tonight and per those comments, incentives went not so much to carrier but to the parent company, United etc etc.. what ever its name is.
Can Trump do this on a regular basis? Have no idea. But in the same small city that carrier is in a small ball bearing company is also moving to Mexico, dropping a few hundred jobs in Indiana. No approach was made to that company at all..

With 12,000,000 people employed in manufacturing in our nation. Trump can not give every company which threatens to move a bunch of expensive incentives..

But for a politician, this was a dream come true. Before he is even in office, Trump can brag that he delved on a campaign promise..
righty, br br Pence would give the state incentiv... (show quote)



united tec. is the parent company and pense just told united if you move carrier you will be cut from indiana and as soon as we take office you will lose all the fed business.and they say the light.

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Nov 30, 2016 20:58:09   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Cool Breeze wrote:
Hypocrite much? How about you presenting some?


Why? I didn't make the statement(s).

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