Did Susan Rice Really Lie?
Jan 4, 2014 10:12:22 #
Of the Times report, its author not only looks like the flannel-suited Obama worshipper, but his eight-thousand words read like they might have been dictated to him by 'the epicene ObamaCare icon itself.' And, ultimately, the worst thing about the piece is that it will become gospel for the misinformed and for the lazy people who report to the misinformed:
...the (attack) remains the paramount failure of the Obama administration....(And that) is likely why the media has exhausted so much of its efforts in ridiculing those who refuse to take the most convenient explanation of the story at face value. It is why we will continue to see exposés like the Times's (sic) that use pretzel logic to silence the discussion about what Benghazi means for American national security. The piece should serve as a warning and reminder that cover-ups are always worse than their crimes.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/did_susan_rice_really_lie.html#ixzz2pRVBgagV
...the (attack) remains the paramount failure of the Obama administration....(And that) is likely why the media has exhausted so much of its efforts in ridiculing those who refuse to take the most convenient explanation of the story at face value. It is why we will continue to see exposés like the Times's (sic) that use pretzel logic to silence the discussion about what Benghazi means for American national security. The piece should serve as a warning and reminder that cover-ups are always worse than their crimes.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/did_susan_rice_really_lie.html#ixzz2pRVBgagV
Jan 4, 2014 10:51:09 #
OldSchool wrote:
Of the Times report, its author not only looks lik... (show quote)
DID RICE LIE?? SHE IS STILL ON THE PAYROLL, ISN'T SHE!!! I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE JOB REQUIREMENTS IN THIS ADMINISRATION...AUTOMATIC AND HABITUAL LIAR.
Jan 4, 2014 10:52:09 #
You damned right she lied,,, here is an article from an AF fighter pilot on same....Imagine if you were listening to this on the radio, and it is your son, daughter, or husband/father on that roof,,, then,, what would it matter?
Our president allowed the murder of these men........
An Air Force Pilot's assessment of the Bengazi Fiasco Cover-up
Air Force expert on Benghazi "Hands" Handley is a well-respected USAF fighter pilot. Here is a short resume of accomplishments. Colonel Phil "Hands" Handley is credited with the highest speed air-to-air gun kill in the history of aerial combat. He flew operationally for all but 11 months of a 26-year career, in aircraft such as the F-86 Sabre, F-15 Eagle, and the C-130A Hercules. Additionally, he flew 275 combat missions during two tours in Southeast Asia in the F-4D and F-4E. His awards include 21 Air Medals, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and the Silver Star.
Here is what Col. Handley wrote in response to Secy.
Panetta and Gen. Dempsey's claims there was no time to send help to Benghazi.
Betrayal in Benghazi
by Phil "Hands" Handley, Colonel, USAF (Ret.)
The combat code of the US Military is that we don't abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don't run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying. Among America's fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. Along with individual faith and personal grit, it is a sacred trust that has often sustained hope in the face of terribly long odds.
The disgraceful abandonment of our Ambassador and those brave ex-SEAL's who fought to their deaths to save others in that compound is nothing short of dereliction-of-duty.
Additionally, the patently absurd cover-up scenario that was fabricated in the aftermath was an outright lie in an attempt to shield the President and the Secretary of State from responsibility. It has been over eight months since the attack on our compound in Benghazi. The White House strategy, with the aid of a "lap dog" press has been to run out the clock before the truth is forthcoming. The recent testimonies of the three "whistle blowers" have reopened the subject and hopefully will lead to exposure and disgrace of those responsible for this embarrassing debacle. It would appear that the most recent firewall which the Administration is counting on is the contention "that there were simply no military assets that
could be brought to bear in time to make a difference" mainly due to the unavailability of tanker support for fighter aircraft.
This is simply Bull Shit, regardless how many supposed "experts" the Administration trot out to make such an assertion. The bottom line is that even if the closest asset capable of response was half-way around the world, you don't just sit on your penguin ass and do nothing.
The fact is that the closest asset was not half-way around the world, but as near as Aviano Air Base, Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs are based.
Consider the following scenario (all times Benghazi local):
When Hicks in Tripoli receives a call at 9:40 PM from Ambassador Stevens informing him "Greg, we are under attack!" (his last words), Hicks immediately notifies all agencies and prepares for the immediate initiation of an existing "Emergency Response Plan."
At AFRICOM, General Carter Ham attempts to mount a rescue effort, but is told to "stand down". By 10:30 PM an unarmed drone is overhead the compound and streaming live feed to various "Command and Control
Agencies" so everyone watching that feed knew damn
well what was going on.
At 11:30 PM Woods, Doherty and five others leave Tripoli, arriving in Benghazi at 1:30 AM on Wednesday morning, where they hold off the attacking mob from the roof of the compound until they are killed by a mortar direct hit at
4:00 AM.
So nothing could have been done, eh? Nonsense. If one assumes that tanker support really "was not available" what about this: When at 10:00 PM AFRICON alerts the 31st TFW Command Post in Aviano Air Base, Italy of the attack, the Wing Commander orders preparation for the launch of two F-16s and advises the Command Post at NAS Sigonella to prepare for hot pit refueling and quick turn of the jets.
By 11:30 PM, two F-16Cs with drop tanks and each armed with five hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne. Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover the 522 nautical miles directly to NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours. While in-route, the flight lead is informed of the tactical situation, rules of engagement, and radio frequencies to use.
The jets depart Sigonella at 1:10 AM with full fuel load and cover the 377 nautical miles directly to Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at 1:50 AM which would be 20 minutes after the arrival of Woods, Doherty and
their team.
Providing that the two F-16s initial pass over the mob, in full afterburner at 200 feet and 550 knots did not stop the attack in its tracks, a few well placed strafing runs on targets of opportunity would assuredly do the trick.
Were the F-16s fuel state insufficient to return to Sigonella after jettisoning their external drop tanks, they could easily do so at Tripoli International Airport , only one-half hour away.
As for those hand-wringing naysayers who would worry about IFR clearances, border crossing authority, collateral damage, landing rights, political correctness and dozens of other reasons not to act-- screw them. It is time our "leadership" get its priorities straight and put America 's interests first.
The end result would be that Woods and Doherty would be alive. Dozens in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing with "72 virgins" and a clear message would have been sent to the next worthless P.O.S.
terrorist contemplating an attack on Americans that
it is not really a good idea to "tug" on Superman's cape.
Of course all this depends upon a Commander In Chief more concerned with saving the lives of those he put in harm's way than getting his crew rested for a campaign fund raising event in Las Vegas the next day. It also depends upon a Secretary of State who actually understood "What difference did it make?", and a Secretary of Defense who was watching the feed from the drone and understood what the attack consisted of instead of making an immediate response that "One of the military tenets is that you don't commit assets until you fully understand the tactical situation."
YGBSM!( You Gotta Be Shittin' Me) Ultimately it comes down to the question of who gave that order to stand down? Whoever that coward turns out to be should be exposed, removed from office, and face criminal charges for dereliction of duty. The combat forces of the United States of America deserve leadership that really does "have their back" when the chips are down.
Our president allowed the murder of these men........
An Air Force Pilot's assessment of the Bengazi Fiasco Cover-up
Air Force expert on Benghazi "Hands" Handley is a well-respected USAF fighter pilot. Here is a short resume of accomplishments. Colonel Phil "Hands" Handley is credited with the highest speed air-to-air gun kill in the history of aerial combat. He flew operationally for all but 11 months of a 26-year career, in aircraft such as the F-86 Sabre, F-15 Eagle, and the C-130A Hercules. Additionally, he flew 275 combat missions during two tours in Southeast Asia in the F-4D and F-4E. His awards include 21 Air Medals, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and the Silver Star.
Here is what Col. Handley wrote in response to Secy.
Panetta and Gen. Dempsey's claims there was no time to send help to Benghazi.
Betrayal in Benghazi
by Phil "Hands" Handley, Colonel, USAF (Ret.)
The combat code of the US Military is that we don't abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don't run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying. Among America's fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. Along with individual faith and personal grit, it is a sacred trust that has often sustained hope in the face of terribly long odds.
The disgraceful abandonment of our Ambassador and those brave ex-SEAL's who fought to their deaths to save others in that compound is nothing short of dereliction-of-duty.
Additionally, the patently absurd cover-up scenario that was fabricated in the aftermath was an outright lie in an attempt to shield the President and the Secretary of State from responsibility. It has been over eight months since the attack on our compound in Benghazi. The White House strategy, with the aid of a "lap dog" press has been to run out the clock before the truth is forthcoming. The recent testimonies of the three "whistle blowers" have reopened the subject and hopefully will lead to exposure and disgrace of those responsible for this embarrassing debacle. It would appear that the most recent firewall which the Administration is counting on is the contention "that there were simply no military assets that
could be brought to bear in time to make a difference" mainly due to the unavailability of tanker support for fighter aircraft.
This is simply Bull Shit, regardless how many supposed "experts" the Administration trot out to make such an assertion. The bottom line is that even if the closest asset capable of response was half-way around the world, you don't just sit on your penguin ass and do nothing.
The fact is that the closest asset was not half-way around the world, but as near as Aviano Air Base, Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs are based.
Consider the following scenario (all times Benghazi local):
When Hicks in Tripoli receives a call at 9:40 PM from Ambassador Stevens informing him "Greg, we are under attack!" (his last words), Hicks immediately notifies all agencies and prepares for the immediate initiation of an existing "Emergency Response Plan."
At AFRICOM, General Carter Ham attempts to mount a rescue effort, but is told to "stand down". By 10:30 PM an unarmed drone is overhead the compound and streaming live feed to various "Command and Control
Agencies" so everyone watching that feed knew damn
well what was going on.
At 11:30 PM Woods, Doherty and five others leave Tripoli, arriving in Benghazi at 1:30 AM on Wednesday morning, where they hold off the attacking mob from the roof of the compound until they are killed by a mortar direct hit at
4:00 AM.
So nothing could have been done, eh? Nonsense. If one assumes that tanker support really "was not available" what about this: When at 10:00 PM AFRICON alerts the 31st TFW Command Post in Aviano Air Base, Italy of the attack, the Wing Commander orders preparation for the launch of two F-16s and advises the Command Post at NAS Sigonella to prepare for hot pit refueling and quick turn of the jets.
By 11:30 PM, two F-16Cs with drop tanks and each armed with five hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne. Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover the 522 nautical miles directly to NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours. While in-route, the flight lead is informed of the tactical situation, rules of engagement, and radio frequencies to use.
The jets depart Sigonella at 1:10 AM with full fuel load and cover the 377 nautical miles directly to Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at 1:50 AM which would be 20 minutes after the arrival of Woods, Doherty and
their team.
Providing that the two F-16s initial pass over the mob, in full afterburner at 200 feet and 550 knots did not stop the attack in its tracks, a few well placed strafing runs on targets of opportunity would assuredly do the trick.
Were the F-16s fuel state insufficient to return to Sigonella after jettisoning their external drop tanks, they could easily do so at Tripoli International Airport , only one-half hour away.
As for those hand-wringing naysayers who would worry about IFR clearances, border crossing authority, collateral damage, landing rights, political correctness and dozens of other reasons not to act-- screw them. It is time our "leadership" get its priorities straight and put America 's interests first.
The end result would be that Woods and Doherty would be alive. Dozens in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing with "72 virgins" and a clear message would have been sent to the next worthless P.O.S.
terrorist contemplating an attack on Americans that
it is not really a good idea to "tug" on Superman's cape.
Of course all this depends upon a Commander In Chief more concerned with saving the lives of those he put in harm's way than getting his crew rested for a campaign fund raising event in Las Vegas the next day. It also depends upon a Secretary of State who actually understood "What difference did it make?", and a Secretary of Defense who was watching the feed from the drone and understood what the attack consisted of instead of making an immediate response that "One of the military tenets is that you don't commit assets until you fully understand the tactical situation."
YGBSM!( You Gotta Be Shittin' Me) Ultimately it comes down to the question of who gave that order to stand down? Whoever that coward turns out to be should be exposed, removed from office, and face criminal charges for dereliction of duty. The combat forces of the United States of America deserve leadership that really does "have their back" when the chips are down.
OldSchool wrote:
Of the Times report, its author not only looks lik... (show quote)
Jan 4, 2014 11:50:37 #
Ve'hoe wrote:
You damned right she lied,,, here is an article fr... (show quote)
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Jan 4, 2014 16:12:36 #
Unclet
Loc: Amarillo, Tx
Ve'hoe wrote:
You damned right she lied,,, here is an article fr... (show quote)
They can dance all they want around this topic, but eventually the one's responsible will answer for their crimes.
Jan 4, 2014 16:19:46 #
And at last we will have the answer to "Which one of these losers do you want taking the call at 3 am? Answer: neither...
Unclet wrote:
They can dance all they want around this topic, but eventually the one's responsible will answer for their crimes.
Jan 4, 2014 18:21:32 #
Unclet
Loc: Amarillo, Tx
Ve'hoe wrote:
And at last we will have the answer to "Which one of these losers do you want taking the call at 3 am? Answer: neither...
That answer was obvious to those of us who pay attention to such things, long ago. Only those who:
a. Have never stood up for anything
b. Have never served anything or anyone other than themselves.
c. Accepted responsibility for anything, other than their own aspirations.
d. Never willing to sacrifice for anyone other than themselves.
The list goes on, but you get my drift. Ambition above all is their creed. Self preservation is the goal.
Check out topic: Inflation is eating away at middle-class!
Jan 4, 2014 21:59:26 #
Obvious to you and me,,, ,but you have to think that more than 50% of the imbeciles in the other car next to us, voted for this guy ..... Twice,,,, some,,,, more than that!!
Makes you wonder doesn't it????
Makes you wonder doesn't it????
Unclet wrote:
That answer was obvious to those of us who pay attention to such things, long ago. Only those who:
a. Have never stood up for anything
b. Have never served anything or anyone other than themselves.
c. Accepted responsibility for anything, other than their own aspirations.
d. Never willing to sacrifice for anyone other than themselves.
The list goes on, but you get my drift. Ambition above all is their creed. Self preservation is the goal.
a. Have never stood up for anything
b. Have never served anything or anyone other than themselves.
c. Accepted responsibility for anything, other than their own aspirations.
d. Never willing to sacrifice for anyone other than themselves.
The list goes on, but you get my drift. Ambition above all is their creed. Self preservation is the goal.
Jan 4, 2014 23:23:12 #
Unclet
Loc: Amarillo, Tx
Ve'hoe wrote:
Obvious to you and me,,, ,but you have to think that more than 50% of the imbeciles in the other car next to us, voted for this guy ..... Twice,,,, some,,,, more than that!!
Makes you wonder doesn't it????
Makes you wonder doesn't it????
Yes it does, until you consider just who voted for this pimple on America's Butt. If you ask around, like I do every chance I get. It is very difficult to find anyone who voted for Obama/Biden. I have asked several black folks, and none of them did or will admitt to it if they did.
Jan 5, 2014 00:04:29 #
I met one d-ckhead today, with an Obama sticker on his bumper... he backed in front of me to fill his car at the pump I was waiting for. I drove up and asked if he would back up to the pump for gas which was open and let me have the diesel pump. He started yelling that he had been waiting for 15 minutes at the other pump,, So I asked why he wouldn't just back up 15 more feet and let me at the diesel pump. (the gas pump was open too) he wouldn't. So I just shut off the engine and unlocked my gas cap. Whereupon he walked toward me starting to explain why it was the people in the office who were at fault.... I just told him I didn't care, I really didn't want to hear his life story and wished he would just fill up, shut up, and leave, instead of screwing me anymore? Some young black girls in the next care began laughing at him and jeering him.....
Then I noticed the Obama sticker on his bumper and understood completely... f=ing dic-head
Then I noticed the Obama sticker on his bumper and understood completely... f=ing dic-head
Unclet wrote:
Yes it does, until you consider just who voted for this pimple on America's Butt. If you ask around, like I do every chance I get. It is very difficult to find anyone who voted for Obama/Biden. I have asked several black folks, and none of them did or will admitt to it if they did.
Jan 5, 2014 06:57:01 #
Oldschool,
Great post !
I don't know which is worse, those who won't believe she (and Obama) deliberatly lied, or those who do know she lied and don't care. Both groups are doing the country and themselves a terrible disservice.
Consider this; Susan Rice's new job is telling us how good the Iran negotiations deal is for us.
1oldgeezer
Great post !
I don't know which is worse, those who won't believe she (and Obama) deliberatly lied, or those who do know she lied and don't care. Both groups are doing the country and themselves a terrible disservice.
Consider this; Susan Rice's new job is telling us how good the Iran negotiations deal is for us.
1oldgeezer
OldSchool wrote:
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Jan 5, 2014 09:23:31 #
HOW GOOD THE IRAN NEGOTIATIONS ARE?? THAT LIE IS NOT WORKING FOR ME.
1OldGeezer wrote:
Oldschool,
Great post !
I don't know which is worse, those who won't believe she (and Obama) deliberatly lied, or those who do know she lied and don't care. Both groups are doing the country and themselves a terrible disservice.
Consider this; Susan Rice's new job is telling us how good the Iran negotiations deal is for us.
1oldgeezer
:thumbup:
Great post !
I don't know which is worse, those who won't believe she (and Obama) deliberatly lied, or those who do know she lied and don't care. Both groups are doing the country and themselves a terrible disservice.
Consider this; Susan Rice's new job is telling us how good the Iran negotiations deal is for us.
1oldgeezer
:thumbup:
Jan 5, 2014 14:47:53 #
You're damned right she lied ... knowingly and with malice aforethought! ... and she wasn't the only one ...
Jan 5, 2014 16:04:38 #
angery american
Loc: Georgia
Ve'hoe wrote:
You damned right she lied,,, here is an article fr... (show quote)
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