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Where is this mountain of evidence I keep hearing about?
Nov 24, 2016 19:43:09 #
Nickolai wrote:
Meet the ancestor of Whales a land creature that adapted to making its living in the sea and gradually the fore limbs evolved in to flippers and the hind legs shrunk to where they are no longer visible but re small bones near the tail attached to the pelvis
How inefficient, don't you think, to "evolve" from sea to land and back again?
Nov 24, 2016 19:44:47 #
"It's all a matter of faith."
Merriam Webster's Dictionary..."Faith...(1) A firm belief in something for which there is no proof. "
Here on this string we see an example of intelligent people acting un-intellegintly, and wasting some of their valuable life time.
People who have a need for religion,( a man made con to allow control of the adherents to that religion, and one of the more successful, long lived confidence games), become very vociferous when they feel their unfounded beliefs have been challenged. You can not dicuss rationally with them because, at least on this one subject they are irrational.
There is evidence that there is an unknowable intelligence at work in the development and maintenance of our universe and affecting our lives. But with our meager senses, which are unable to recognize most of the energies that are being used to make up the universe, we are doomed to know almost nothing of what is really going on around us.
Arguing about this stuff is idiotic in my humble opinion. Accept what is here and enjoy your time during this “life”.
Merriam Webster's Dictionary..."Faith...(1) A firm belief in something for which there is no proof. "
Here on this string we see an example of intelligent people acting un-intellegintly, and wasting some of their valuable life time.
People who have a need for religion,( a man made con to allow control of the adherents to that religion, and one of the more successful, long lived confidence games), become very vociferous when they feel their unfounded beliefs have been challenged. You can not dicuss rationally with them because, at least on this one subject they are irrational.
There is evidence that there is an unknowable intelligence at work in the development and maintenance of our universe and affecting our lives. But with our meager senses, which are unable to recognize most of the energies that are being used to make up the universe, we are doomed to know almost nothing of what is really going on around us.
Arguing about this stuff is idiotic in my humble opinion. Accept what is here and enjoy your time during this “life”.
Nov 24, 2016 19:56:05 #
Homestead wrote:
That's the same question for both arguments.
Where did God come from?.........................He was always here.
Where did molecules come from?.......... They were always here.
One thing is for certain, when the bombs are falling like rain, "There are no atheists in fox holes."
Where did God come from?.........................He was always here.
Where did molecules come from?.......... They were always here.
One thing is for certain, when the bombs are falling like rain, "There are no atheists in fox holes."
If God had a beginning then He isn't God. But Molecules are physical objects they have weight and mass. Since God is not a physical He is beyond space and time. He is not effected by space and time. So He isn't the same as molecules they have a certain beginning and ending. They have certain life span. Every organic object known to exist needs life to subsist. No plant or animal or living cell or molecule can come into existence or live without other organic objects dying. Life depends on the death of other organic substance to come into existence or to live. God is beyond all of that!! So what did the first cell eat? unless there were a bunch of cells in the same area then the atheist needs to ask where did all of those life forms come from and why were they all in the same area at the same time? Also the first sexual reproducing cells why were they both in the same area at the same time? how did they know what to do and why did it work properly the first time out of the box. If evolution is true you would need to perfectly functioning life forms not evolving life forms. The arguments for a first cause or an intelligent designer is easier to defend than random chance.
Nov 24, 2016 20:07:40 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
I see your point.
BigMike wrote:
Doesn't that prove a lack of evolution? 
Nov 24, 2016 20:09:48 #
Hogback wrote:
If God had a beginning then He isn't God. But Mole... (show quote)
Read Hugh Ross's new book and past publications. He addresses all these issues from a Biblical perpective. A very smart man. He is a astrophysicsist and a Christian to boot!
Nov 24, 2016 20:10:11 #
Docadhoc wrote:
I don't understand the controversy. br br Some ar... (show quote)
God did not use evolution to create that is plain. In the Bible after each day of creation God said "it is good" and "it is very good" also, God said let them reproduce after their own kind. Is it so hard to believe that an all powerful God could create anyway He wanted to? I'm wondering why He took seven days to do it. Maybe there is a lesson in the seven days. Like, since seven in the Bible means perfect completion maybe that was His lesson for us. I used to be an atheist then but then I realized I didn't have enough faith to believe in evolution! It's easier to just believe in the God of the Bible.
Nov 24, 2016 20:12:28 #
Nov 24, 2016 20:15:34 #
Hogback wrote:
God did not use evolution to create that is plain.... (show quote)
Preach it brother!!!
Nov 24, 2016 20:34:00 #
Hogback wrote:
Preach it brother!!!
I've read Ross's book and other books by different apologist. If I remember correctly Ross is a day age creationist. He ascribes each as a very pong period of time. If find this method of interpreting the Bible inconsistent. If you are consistent in word meaning then a day is a day anywhere in the Bible. So how long was Jonah in the fish 3 days or 3 long periods of time? How long was Jesus in the grave before He resurrected 3 days or 3 long ages? And besides if each creation day was a long period of time, let's say 1000 years then each day would be 500 years and each night would be 500 years. That means that all of the plants would die during the 500 years of darkness etc. . . So I believe the creation days were literal 24 hour days. However these were not creation days they were reorganization days ,,,, I do believe in the "GAP" theory. The KJV Bible says for Adam and Eve to replenish the world. In order to replenish something it has to have been "pelenished" before. Have you ever heard of the GAP theory?
http://www.creationdays.dk/the_gap_theory.php
Nov 24, 2016 20:51:23 #
Why are the evolutionist looking for one. A few years ago they though that they had found one and made a big deal about it only later to admit it was a skeleton of some type of a pig.
Nov 24, 2016 21:31:10 #
Docadhoc wrote:
I don't understand the controversy. br br Some ar... (show quote)
Well said. I have always told people: "I don't presume to understand God. I may argue with him occasionally, but it usually turns out that He is right." 100% of the time, actually.
You've heard that maxim: We all stand naked before God. And that is because God understands humans better than they could ever understand themselves. And it is also one reason humans can NOT understand God.
Nov 24, 2016 21:36:14 #
BigMike wrote:
Doesn't that prove a lack of evolution?
Love both of your arguments! Either A or B, or perhaps both!
Nov 24, 2016 21:39:18 #
BigMike wrote:
Doesn't that prove a lack of evolution?
I guess it does, because tdsnest is so closely related to primordial sludge, that you can't say he's evolved.
So there is no evolution.
Maybe we should stick him in a lab and see if he ever does.
Nov 24, 2016 22:02:46 #
Homestead wrote:
I guess it does, because tdsnest is so closely related to primordial sludge, that you can't say he's evolved.
So there is no evolution.
Maybe we should stick him in a lab and see if he ever does.
So there is no evolution.
Maybe we should stick him in a lab and see if he ever does.
We could call it "The Turdnest Experiment", following Frank Herbert's "The Dosadi Experiment".
It might "prove lethal".
Nov 24, 2016 22:40:23 #
BigMike wrote:
Doesn't that prove a lack of evolution?
In TD's case, he's going backwards.
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