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Nov 21, 2016 10:09:26   #
GRB777
 
You so-called Christians should actually read your bible on occasion. 1 Samuel chapter 8- your forefathers rejected GOD and demanded a king {president}. GOD instructed Samuel to let it happen; that he {GOD} was being rejected not Samuel personally. GOD instructed Samuel to let these people know exactly what would happen when they got their king {president}.Read these scriptures for yourselves; how is it working out for you?

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Nov 21, 2016 10:27:50   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
GRB777 wrote:
You so-called Christians should actually read your bible on occasion. 1 Samuel chapter 8- your forefathers rejected GOD and demanded a king {president}. GOD instructed Samuel to let it happen; that he {GOD} was being rejected not Samuel personally. GOD instructed Samuel to let these people know exactly what would happen when they got their king {president}.Read these scriptures for yourselves; how is it working out for you?


workin out pretty good

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Nov 21, 2016 12:11:39   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
archie bunker wrote:
It would be nice.


Love your 'welcome' sign.

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Nov 21, 2016 17:59:27   #
Kyra
 
I suggest people read the Harbinger and watch Isiah 9:10. It might help you understand why Christians voted for Trump.

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Nov 21, 2016 21:05:32   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Kyra wrote:
I suggest people read the Harbinger and watch Isiah 9:10. It might help you understand why Christians voted for Trump.


You good

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Nov 21, 2016 21:52:33   #
Ricktloml
 
mwdegutis wrote:
I'm a follower of Jesus Christ - I don't like using the word "Christian" because many who claim to be aren't even close to being one - and my choice was simple...I will use the word in this context and say Trump's PLATFORM was pro-Christian and Clinton's was not. Therefore I voted for the platform and not the man.

I might add that down through the millennia God has used imperfect and flawed people to further his purpose. And this is just another example of that.


A very good way to describe the reasoning behind voting for Trump. And it is the entire Democrat platform that is at odds with what a follower of Christ should do. Thanks

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Nov 21, 2016 23:27:57   #
servanttk
 
TOTALLY AGREE!
And JESUS is smiling upon those who voted for a PRO life president!
HE also is pro life and will await the Roe v Wade law to be abolished forever.
And then, together with the LORD ; we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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Nov 21, 2016 23:30:03   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
servanttk wrote:
TOTALLY AGREE!
And JESUS is smiling upon those who voted for a PRO life president!
HE also is pro life and will await the Roe v Wade law to be abolished forever.
And then, together with the LORD ; we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!


You got my vote.


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Nov 22, 2016 00:00:22   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just after I sent money to the American Civil Liberties Union This Morning, I Found This:


ELECTION 2016
Jesus Wept: How Can You Call Yourself a Christian If You Voted for Donald Trump?
Christian faith means many things to many people. But I'm confused about how "love thy neighbor" led us here.
By Lily Burana / Salon November 19, 2016


One of the hallmarks of Christian faith is charity, which is unfortunate for me, because, as a cradle Christian (and, lately, a recovering agnostic), I’ve been feeling less than charitable since Donald Trump won the presidential election. I don’t mean that I’m not in the spirit of giving to charities — I’ll be writing out a whopper of a check to the American Civil Liberties Union presently.

I am, however, having trouble giving the gift of slack to Christians who voted for Trump. According to a preliminary study of exit poll data by Pew Research Group, Trump won 52 percent of the Catholic vote, 58 percent of the Protestant vote, and, broken down further by race, a whopping 81 percent of the white evangelical Christian vote.

If you’re a Christian who voted for Trump, I understand your concerns — jobs, the economy, health care, national security, frustration with the political status quo. What I don’t understand is your heart. All factors considered, were Trump’s calls for massive deportation of immigrants, along with his anti-Semitic dog whistling, racist commentary, documented history of misogyny and his mocking of the vulnerable, worth overlooking in favor of his shaky promises to make things better in your world? If, as Christians, we’re supposed to love our neighbor, a vote for Trump seems a little suspect. Am I wrong? If so, tell me how.

When asked whether he thought his incendiary campaign rhetoric had gone too far, Trump responded, “No. I won.” What a guy. Now he’s staffing up with his own (unqualified) family and a website publisher who’s been accused of beating his wife and channeling white-supremacist ideology. In the space of two weeks, it feels as if we’ve shifted from a democracy to a triage center. Jesus wept.

Not all Christians were pro-Trump, of course. My sister, who has been a Presbyterian minister for almost 30 years, texted me when she found out in the wee morning hours of Nov. 9 that Trump had won, “God help us.” The New York Times feature last Sunday on post-election sermons features more than one pastor in clear distress. Minister Mihee Kim-Kort wrote on her blog, “We lost something on November 9th. More than an election. Something – call it humanity, compassion, hope – faltered and perished, and something in me, too.”

Still, to put it in theological terms, I’m pissed. I can’t stand the postelection suffering around me — more than one person I know has broken out in shingles from stress. Migraines and insomnia are the norm. Virtually everyone I know is walking around in a state of panic, dread and low-level rage. Including me.

Things that have made me angry: People smiling and saying, “Everything will be OK.” Anyone who suggests that we “get over it” or “wait and see what he does.” I was even angry at Anne Lamott because I thought her heartfelt postelection Facebook message was too soft. Our wise, comforting, radical-caregiving sister Annie! Being mad at Anne Lamott is like drop kicking a teddy bear. I need to get a grip.

It helps to maintain awareness that even among us huggy, lovey, Jesus-y types, resistance is afoot. In The Washington Post, Sarah Pulliam Bailey reported on a deepening divide within the evangelical Christian community, exacerbated by the election. She quoted Eugene Cho, the pastor of an evangelical church in Seattle: “The election has made things more hostile or given permission to people to be more aggressive on both sides.”

She also reported that Cho, who pledged to never endorse a candidate from the pulpit, joined a group of evangelicals who condemning Trump, arguing that his campaign “affirms racist elements in white culture.” The letter, which was also backed by about 80 other pastors and faith leaders, Pulliam wrote, “decried Trump’s comments on women, Muslims, immigrants, refugees and the disabled.”

Some evangelicals, disheartened by the strong turnout for Trump among their purported fellow believers, are prepared to jump ship entirely. Writer and activist Preston Yancey tweeted on election night: “So I guess I’m not an evangelical. Because I’m not whatever the hell this is.”

If it reassures me, perhaps it’s similarly comforting to nonreligious folk to know that while some Christians see Trump as America’s Great White Hope, the rest of us see an Anglo-Saxon pharisee with a spray tan. The fantastic tweet stream of the Rev. Broderick Greer, an Episcopalian priest, is a glorious model of righteous fire: “If it’s not good news for refugees, LGBTQ folks, and women — and people living at all of those intersections — it’s not the gospel of Jesus,” reads one tweet. Another declares, “To plaster ‘Jesus’ on heterosexism, sexism, racism, classism, militarism, or transantagonism is to betray all that he did and is.”

Calls to conformity are among the great pitfalls of organized religion, and it didn’t take more than a day after Trump’s win for a number of Christians on social media to issue a mandate to seek unity. Aristotle Papanikolaou, co-director of the Orthodox Christian Studies Center at Fordham University, issued a thoughtful rebuttal to the exhortation to blindly unite. “What Christians must avoid most is . . . a politics of dualism, a politics of us vs. them, a politics of demonization,” he wrote.

“What Christians need to struggle to realize, and this is an ascetic struggle demanding spiritual commitment and discipline, is a politics of empathy,” Papanikolaou continued.


“A politics of empathy calls all Christians to attempt to imagine what it would be like to be in the body of a woman who has been physically assaulted; what it would be like to be in the body of a Muslim afraid to wear the hijab in public; what it would be like to be in the body of someone who is fearful of a hate crime because of their sexuality; what it is like to be in the body of someone whose disability might subject them to mockery; what it is like to be in the body of a person of color who lives in a country where slavery is its original sin and who endures continual suspicion in this country due to the color of their skin,” Papanikolaou added.

Others greeted the call to unity with irreverence — among them, the great Christian writer Diana Butler Bass, author of “Grounded: Finding God in the World” and other books. She responded with a tweet calling Nov. 9, “The day ‘unity’ becomes code for ‘shut up.’”

Christians are mobilizing, too, putting their beliefs into action. Lia Scholl, pastor at Wake Forest Baptist Church in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, has offered to waive her fees and honoraria for LGBTQ couples who want to wed before the next administration takes over. Should couples from outside the area wish to get married, she has pledged to help them find an officiant.

As a layperson, I’m not sure how best to channel my dismay and stay calm while I figure it out. I can listen yet again to Mary Gauthier’s splendid “Mercy Now,” which has emerged as one of our great secular hymns. (“I love my church and country — they could use some mercy now.”)

That holds me for about six minutes. Then what? I’ve tried it all: hot baths, yoga, healthy food, junk food, talks with friends, hours spent in contemplative silence. On Saturday night, I stress ate an entire bag of butter and garlic croutons. As our democracy falters, I am prepared to fight, with the heart of a patriot and the breath of a dragon.

I used to rely on corny Christian pop songs for solace, logging lots of road hours tuned in to SiriusXM radio’s “praise music” channel. Now I listen to all these praise artists and wonder who they voted for. (I’m assured by Christian singer Nichole Nordeman, who tweeted on election night, “Heartsick. Help us, Jesus. Ready to love louder. Goodnight.”)

More than anything I do to comfort and steady myself, I need to keep true to the message, hard as it may be. As Christian author and HGTV personality Jen Hatmaker posted on Facebook: “Our marching orders are the same. We are still about the same things we’ve always been about, Christian(s). We will still love our neighbors and resist fear. We will stick up for the marginalized and protect the vulnerable. ”

Hatmaker continued, “We will show up for the hard work of good citizenship and remain faithful to God and each other. We will insist on bringing hope and grace and strength and love to this busted up world. We will not malign people out of fear or confusion. We will love God and love people and that is the same basic plan it has always been.”

I suspect that Jen’s a much nicer person than I am because apart from, or perhaps in addition to, following that basic plan, I am looking forward to expressing some serious, anger-fueled dissent — not just in the name of God, but also in the name of democracy and basic human decency.

The force of my fury scares me. I put up a good front, but I’m deeply conflict averse, somewhere between approval-seeking lickspittle and scaredy cat. I’d much prefer to shrink back, posting hand-holdy memes and reassuring people that things will smooth over if we just pray enough and show compassion. But I’m not that good of a liar, and I’ve never felt panic and belief more firmly wedded. If I don’t act, I’ll implode.


This statement of discomfiture may well incite hate mail and angry tweets about what an ugly, washed-up, failure-as-a-Christian feminazi commie ho-bag I am. But I can’t let reticence be misconstrued as consent, so I’ll take my chances with the potential consequences of speaking out. Onward, Christian troll-diers.

If you don’t understand that faith and fear oft go hand in hand, what Bible have you been reading? That’s the drill. The realities of spiritual life, where the rubber meets the road, are complex. The requirements are numerous, and to follow Jesus most authentically, one is called to be a lover and a fighter both. One must be willing to court what Georgia Rep. and civil rights pioneer John Lewis calls “necessary trouble.”

The only thing that’s not permitted is quitting, even amid waves of terror and dread. That’s what “acting in good faith” means in a Christian context and always has. It’s time for devotion to put on its work boots. And should you presume this means either silence or complicity, honey, you haven’t got a prayer.
b Just after I sent money to the American Civil L... (show quote)


This comment is so full of heresies that if it were printed on paper it would burst out in flames. There is nothing here that any true informed Christian should pay any attention. Secular social religion nothing whatsoever to do with true apostolic Christ centered sacred religion. Nothing!

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Nov 22, 2016 00:00:27   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
cesspool jones wrote:
You got my vote.





This article makes me sick. The one who wrote this, the original author, knows nothing of the meaning of true Christian principles or precepts. Anyone who has such a lack of knowledge on the subject only shows their complete ignorance. If they are trying to make an intelligent point they have completely failed. This is an article that should be placed on the ignore list along with the one who copied and pasted it. Words fail to describe the uselessness of this post. The only reason I read it through is hoping there was some kind of redeeming value or purpose. This should be an embarrassment even to Atheist.




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Nov 22, 2016 00:45:31   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Armageddun wrote:
This article makes me sick. The one who wrote this, the original author, knows nothing of the meaning of true Christian principles or precepts. Anyone who has such a lack of knowledge on the subject only shows their complete ignorance. If they are trying to make an intelligent point they have completely failed. This is an article that should be placed on the ignore list along with the one who copied and pasted it. Words fail to describe the uselessness of this post. The only reason I read it through is hoping there was some kind of redeeming value or purpose. This should be an embarrassment even to Atheist.



This article makes me sick. The one who wrote this... (show quote)


. . . . For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
II Timothy 3

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Nov 22, 2016 00:48:10   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
. . . . For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
II Timothy 3
i . . . . For men shall be lovers of their own se... (show quote)

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Amen and Amen

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Nov 22, 2016 01:01:15   #
Radiance3
 
DonnaK wrote:
I am Christian and could not wait to get to the polls to vote for President Trump. It makes me sick to think of the children being MURDERED in the name of choice in this country. The choice was made before the child was conceived now people don't want to deal with the consequence of their action. i can't get my mind wrapped around how as a fellow Christian you could support ANYONE that goes along with late term abortions. That is out right murder and can in no way be justified. As for immigration, anyone who wants to go through the process and wants to be a contributor to this society, should be welcomed. Anyone else needs to be sent to their respective home. If you want open borders, go to Germany and let us know how it works out for you. Also as a Christian I was taught to turn the other cheek. No where does the Bible tell me to expose my neck. ISIS needs to be dealt with in the quickest way possible. Taking in refugees when you know nothing about them or their beliefs or their affiliations is just plain stupid.
I am Christian and could not wait to get to the po... (show quote)


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I could hardly wait till Obama is gone. All his 8 year term, he favored Muslims, and hated Christians. Even vocally when he accused Crusades of killing Muslims during the all faith conference on Feb. 2016. He ignored the fact that the Crusades was a defensive wars. Purpose of Crusades was to protect the Christians who were being massacred, women raped, and enslaved by Muslims.
In addition required to pay the highest tax Christians could hardly afford. Crusade was a defensive war. The Middle East was previously owned by Christians and Jews, until the Muslims took the land away from them. Then Muslims killed most of the Christians. Obama by his actions hate Christians. Latest refugee taken into the US were about 13,800 plus. Very few Christians were accepted to seek refuge in the US. While hundreds of thousands of Muslims to millions have been taken as refugees all free loaders.
Obama will leave us with:
1. $20 trillion national debts, the highest debts among all presidents combined.
2. ISIS he created and enlarged due to removing of US Security forces in Iraq.
3. Very unsanitary WH. Flies hover around his lips in 2010 when interviewed by a reporter.
4. I also saw mouse running around during the time he was interviewed by a reporter.
5. Obama Care insolvent and bankrupt.
6. Social Security and Medicare bankrupt.
7. Public schools kids are far behind world countries in academic performance. US ranks 37th just equal to 3rd world countries the fact that US kids are the highest funded.
8. US infrastructure about to collapse.
9. National Defense decimated.
10. World leaders don't respect the US anymore.
11. So many ISIS brought in to the US along with other Muslims. Terror cells in every state, many are in NY.
12. Mosques grew like Mushrooms all over the US states.
13. So many terror attacks in the US since 2009.
14. So many unemployed of 95,million
15. Food stamps users and free loaders about 106 million.
16. IRS harassing conservatives.
17. So many veterans abandoned with no medical care until they die.
18. To date more than 57 million babies have been aborted by PP using taxpayers money. Democrat women love to abort their babies and make another baby with any thug they meet on the streets.
19. Our military equipment outdated.
20 Money given to Iran $150 billion, $1.75 billion, and $400 million. Iran has been rapidly building nuclear weapons to attack Israel that Obama hates.
21. We have the widest racial divide. BLM killed many law enforcement officers already. Liberals/democrat thugs rioting on the streets, causing mayhem, killing, beating, and kicking innocent white people both male, female, and elderly.
22. Increased in drug dealers, users, and young men turn crazy, violent due to brains damaged by drug addictions. Therefore they could not find jobs.
23. Muslims have spread so rapidly in the US, but most of them feed by taxpayers.
24. Promised to continue attacking Trump if his policy will not be acceptable to Obama.
25. Vilified and destroyed Trump's reputation in Europe. President Bush when he left the WH and Obama took over, President Bush was very cordial, helpful, and very kind to him. President Bush never criticized Obamas. President Bush has class, but Obama's behavior is not professional, but destructive to his successor, and also to President Bush.
26. Federal government is so large, has overlapping divisions and people, that is why there are so many employees with very high salaries, but actually a duplication of the others.
27. The only president who brought his mother-in-law, mother of Michelle paid $160K per year. She will also be given $160K annual retirement.
28. US is bankrupt. The US Treasury is bankrupt. The WH is awful. It looks like that of a 3rd world.
28. Michelle, the only first lady with 26 personal assistance. All previous first ladies have only 1 or 2. Meme Eisenhower paid her 1 personal assistant with her own money. Jackie Kennedy had only one personal assistant. So as Laura Bush. Clinton had
29. SS is bankrupt, and no inflation adjustment has been given to retired seniors.
30. Where did the US gold-bullion go? Are there any left?





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Nov 22, 2016 06:16:41   #
DonnaK Loc: Top O' Texas
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I could hardly wait till Obama is gone. All his 8 year term, he favored Muslims, and hated Christians. Even vocally when he accused Crusades of killing Muslims during the all faith conference on Feb. 2016. He ignored the fact that the Crusades was a defensive wars. Purpose of Crusades was to protect the Christians who were being massacred, women raped, and enslaved by Muslims.
In addition required to pay the highest tax Christians could hardly afford. Crusade was a defensive war. The Middle East was previously owned by Christians and Jews, until the Muslims took the land away from them. Then Muslims killed most of the Christians. Obama by his actions hate Christians. Latest refugee taken into the US were about 13,800 plus. Very few Christians were accepted to seek refuge in the US. While hundreds of thousands of Muslims to millions have been taken as refugees all free loaders.
Obama will leave us with:
1. $20 trillion national debts, the highest debts among all presidents combined.
2. ISIS he created and enlarged due to removing of US Security forces in Iraq.
3. Very unsanitary WH. Flies hover around his lips in 2010 when interviewed by a reporter.
4. I also saw mouse running around during the time he was interviewed by a reporter.
5. Obama Care insolvent and bankrupt.
6. Social Security and Medicare bankrupt.
7. Public schools kids are far behind world countries in academic performance. US ranks 37th just equal to 3rd world countries the fact that US kids are the highest funded.
8. US infrastructure about to collapse.
9. National Defense decimated.
10. World leaders don't respect the US anymore.
11. So many ISIS brought in to the US along with other Muslims. Terror cells in every state, many are in NY.
12. Mosques grew like Mushrooms all over the US states.
13. So many terror attacks in the US since 2009.
14. So many unemployed of 95,million
15. Food stamps users and free loaders about 106 million.
16. IRS harassing conservatives.
17. So many veterans abandoned with no medical care until they die.
18. To date more than 57 million babies have been aborted by PP using taxpayers money. Democrat women love to abort their babies and make another baby with any thug they meet on the streets.
19. Our military equipment outdated.
20 Money given to Iran $150 billion, $1.75 billion, and $400 million. Iran has been rapidly building nuclear weapons to attack Israel that Obama hates.
21. We have the widest racial divide. BLM killed many law enforcement officers already. Liberals/democrat thugs rioting on the streets, causing mayhem, killing, beating, and kicking innocent white people both male, female, and elderly.
22. Increased in drug dealers, users, and young men turn crazy, violent due to brains damaged by drug addictions. Therefore they could not find jobs.
23. Muslims have spread so rapidly in the US, but most of them feed by taxpayers.
24. Promised to continue attacking Trump if his policy will not be acceptable to Obama.
25. Vilified and destroyed Trump's reputation in Europe. President Bush when he left the WH and Obama took over, President Bush was very cordial, helpful, and very kind to him. President Bush never criticized Obamas. President Bush has class, but Obama's behavior is not professional, but destructive to his successor, and also to President Bush.
26. Federal government is so large, has overlapping divisions and people, that is why there are so many employees with very high salaries, but actually a duplication of the others.
27. The only president who brought his mother-in-law, mother of Michelle paid $160K per year. She will also be given $160K annual retirement.
28. US is bankrupt. The US Treasury is bankrupt. The WH is awful. It looks like that of a 3rd world.
28. Michelle, the only first lady with 26 personal assistance. All previous first ladies have only 1 or 2. Meme Eisenhower paid her 1 personal assistant with her own money. Jackie Kennedy had only one personal assistant. So as Laura Bush. Clinton had
29. SS is bankrupt, and no inflation adjustment has been given to retired seniors.
30. Where did the US gold-bullion go? Are there any left?



Well said, Radiance3. We are taught that charity begins at home. I could never support or aid an illegal immigrant when there are hundreds of thousands of Americans and documented immigrants who need aid and assistance. I will never use the term liberal for any of the left again. They are anything but liberal. When I was in choir practice, we used me-me-me as a warm-up exercise, they use it as a mantra.

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Nov 22, 2016 16:30:19   #
Ricktloml
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
. . . . For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
II Timothy 3
i . . . . For men shall be lovers of their own se... (show quote)


Amazing isn't it how the Word of God covers all things

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