permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I don`t think I will stop worrying about the Koch bros. but name some of the other reprobates to watch.. Monsanto, Nestles, they all are probable worthy of watching....

LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota

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Will I am Loc: Tucson, Arizona

My thoughts are whoever has the most money does not think it should be happening. Now, how long it is going to take for a money monger with more money to appear and make it happen is unknown.

emarine

Koch industry's are one of the largest polluter's in America, they pay massive fines and pass the cost on... They can and will sell to who ever pays the most... Europe and China most likely... Free market capitalism will undermine us energy independence in a heart beat... all we end up with is a polluted place to live while Charles Koch buys more politicians. Not a good game plan

Confused

Maybe those effected don't want the pollution . Perhaps a refinery in Canada would be the answer . Might cost Koch a few bucks but so what ?

Confused

Then why did they shut them down ? Maybe because the damn oil companies ( now deemed person-hood for the purposes of campaign cash ) do whatever the hell they want . If they are over worked then quit exporting oil products .
The Keystone pipeline is a replacement of an existing pipeline . It isn't about oil production , it's about property rights and TransCanada and Koch thinking they can do anything . Replace the pipeline using the existing right of way , period . Private industry does not have eminent domain rights . And their profits are not covered under national security .

vernon

you seem to know a lot about the kock brothers how about a rundown on soros and kaiser both of whom have been given millions from obama

vernon

kock would save a ton,its cheaper to buld in canada that in the us.and the plant would be operated by canadian labor .

Confused

Yes . And guess who is the recipient of the " new technology " and it's toxicity ? Why don't they put the glop in a hopper and refine it where it came from ? They would need to use less oil to create the steam .

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Canada turned down proposals for a pipeline and refinery projects in the past, so Kock turned to the US...Do not know if they could get permission in Canada now.. A pipeline is being built to Vancouver by China or Japan...The EL line is nothing but a loser for US population..

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

I'm with you confused

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Got a note from a Canadian friend.. "Northern Gateway" the building of pipe line and shipping point in Vancouver was approved over protests by the First people, farmers, landowners and a number of political groups. Very unpopular, several other proposals had been defeated. But "win one, get ready to fight again, lose one and it is permanent".. His quote..

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Money is sheer raw power.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

Let’s get a few things straight before I bring the hammer down.

First off the ones harping on the Koch brothers are the same people willing to turn a blind eye to the corrupt spending and political manipulation by the elite rich such as George Soros and Kaiser manipulating the politics by using their money and power to manipulate the masses through media and using their power for coercion. The bleating hypocrites need to get a fucking clue you’re more focused on the leftist anti-free market propaganda than the actual benefits of this pipeline securing our energy futures

Secondly the Keystone pipeline provides security in numerous ways such as energy independence and the one thing all of you have overlooked is keeping China away from our backdoor. I prefer the Canadians getting this piece of the pie than the godsdamned Chinese and I think the Koch brothers aren’t in the business of aiding our rivals overseas unlike our incompetent president and his administration. Companies such as Solyendra have done more to help the Chinese and producing those pathetic CFL light bulbs that our oh-so lovely government has forced everyone to buy over the cheaper and adequate incandescent bulbs. I think if you actually do the fact checking all across the board and not just the rabid foaming at the mouth ravings of outlets such as the Huffington Post you might learn there are benefits other than just making a few industrialists rich.

I notice the numbers thrown out by the left-wing propaganda hate machine such as 100 billion is a ridiculous number. That progressive fuzzy math is in play here as you know the cost of a barrel of oil of the standard market price versus the price of a barrel of crude to break even once production sets in the number is a lot more modest than these leftist like to put forth in their dumb pot induced research reports done by a bunch of college rejects.

Consider this the booming economy in North Dakota the left-wing hates it when any one is doing well without the burdensome influences of government so why do you think the left will pull anything out of their butts to shut down the pipeline? Not to hammer the Koch brothers like the good tools do here on this site but to enforce this progressive attitude to punish successes and to ensure the power and good coming from capitalism never sees the light of day.

Now I wait for the puny responses from you communist sons of whores then I'll going on my bombing run with cold hard facts.

emarine

Let your big hammer fly Casper.... now try to explain the economics between the keystone verses the Bakken... I am all ears...