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Nov 18, 2016 16:57:03   #
Nickolai
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Not I. Perhaps Nick is privileged and angry because he just lost his privilege?






I don't have any privilege I'm retired from my construction business I've been retired 21 years reading studying recollecting and analyzing the era of the rise of movement conservatism from the early 1970's to the present that has concentrated wealth at the top decimated the middle class and polarized the nation

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Nov 18, 2016 16:58:17   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
What is so hilarious about all you Liberals, Progressives, & Democrats, synonymous with Socialists, Communists, & Fascists, is that you claim something that is false, and then when you show your reasoning behind your claims, you prove it to be false. "The right wing is the American fascists." You say like Hitler of Germany and Mussolini of Italy, that were fascist who started WWII, the Democrats Thomas Woodrow Wilson started the American stampede into WWI, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt started the American stampede into WWII. You insinuate that going to war is a fascist trait, proving that since these war mongering Presidents that used Nazi methods to incite the USA to enter into war, were both Democrats, seemingly proving my point that Democrats are synonymous with fascists, because you claim they both used propaganda to get the USA to enter the wars of their time.



Nickolai wrote:
The right wing is the American fascists. They, like their Nazi counterparts are best at it Joseph Goebbels was a master. The first propaganda agency was "The Committee on Public Information " It is one of history's great ironies that Woodrow Wilson, who was re- elected as a peace candidate in 1916, led America into the First World War.  With the help of a propaganda apparatus that was unparalleled in world history, Wilson forged a nation of immigrants into a fighting whole.  An examination of public opinion before the war, propaganda efforts during the war, and the endurance of propaganda in peacetime raises significant questions about the viability of democracy as a governing principle.

Like an undertow, America's drift toward war was subtle and forceful.  According to the outspoken pacifist Randolph Bourne, war sentiment spread gradually among various intellectual groups.  "With the aid of Roosevelt," wrote Bourne, "the murmurs became a monotonous chant, and finally a chorus so mighty that to be out of it was at first to be disreputable, and finally almost obscene." Once the war was underway, dissent was practically impossible.  " If you believed our going into this war was a mistake," wrote The Nation in a post-war editorial, "if you held, as President Wilson did early in 1917, that the ideal outcome would be 'peace without victory,' you were a traitor." Forced to stand quietly on the sidelines while their neighbors stampeded towards war, many pacifists would have agreed with Bertrand Russell that "the greatest difficulty was the purely psychological one of resisting mass suggestion, of which the force becomes terrific when the whole nation is in a state of violent collective excitement." As is the right about the billionaire bigot that was just elected to the most powerful office in the world
The right wing is the American fascists. They, l... (show quote)

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Nov 18, 2016 17:11:45   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Socialism and Communism does the exact same thing as Fascism, it has the government take over the businesses and religion, and enslaves the people through the rationing distribution of the needs of the people. This is the same thing that Obama and the Democrats have tried to do for the last 8 years, take over our healthcare system and ration it out to people who will accept their dominance, by stipends to pay for what the Democrats themselves made unaffordable, and by forcing everyone on what the government provides for them. They also attacked our religious freedom, allowing Muslims to be completely exempt from their Democratic Party law of Obamacare, while forcing Christians into it against their will and against their religious beliefs. They have tried to destroy our 2nd Amendment through the unlegislated laws of 'Executive Orders & Decrees', using federal agencies and departments to implement unlegislated laws through rules and regulations, and limiting our free speech through laws of 'Hate Speech', which only those in power can determine what that hate speech is, since it is not clearly defined and very ambiguous. All this is precisely the definition that you yourself use for fascism, again your own words prove your claim to be false. Don't answer this blog, bother the other people who accept your ignorance, you tire me by your ignorance and I've had enough of your stupidity.



Nickolai wrote:
Socialist and fascist are two different philosophies. Fascism is the melding of Government, big business, and religion. It was invented in Italy by Benito Mussolini when he melded government to business and the Vatican the Roman Catholic Church. In the US it is the fascist Republican conservative party to the corporations and fundamentalist Christians

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Nov 18, 2016 17:12:15   #
Nickolai
 
Loki wrote:
Let us have a true Democracy then. Let us vote on whether or not to allow your precious wetbacks to become amnestied citizens of this country. Let us vote on whether or not drones who have never held a job, contributed anything other than carbon dioxide to society should be allowed to decide how much the people who work for a living should have extorted from their checks for said drones support. People like you think that non-citizens should be allowed to vote. I agree, just as soon as American citizens are allowed to vote in Mexican elections.
You think that an 18 year old who has yet to graduate high school, has never had a job, or his or her own home, or paid a tax, supported a family, served in the military or in most cases has not even fully developed their decision making capability should have the same say as a thirty year old taxpayer who has done all these things. Your Utopian California society would collapse under it's own weight in a few months into a complete anarchy.
Like most Liberal Hobbit Dancers, you are a Bakuninite at heart.
Democrats believe that the vote of a clueless immature teeny-bopper should count as much as that of a responsible adult. It shows that you, yourself lack maturity and responsibility. You want rights without responsibility. You want from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs. This is the battle cry not only of Karl Marx, but of leeches who have never produced anything of tangible worth. Equality is earned, not bestowed by the misguided belief of some butthurt Liberal spin doctor. A dishwasher should make as much money as a neurosurgeon. Your fantasy world is a non starter, as is your misguided beliefs on the supposed "qualities" of Liberals.
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I don't know any liberal that thinks non-citizens be allowed to vote that's ridiculous nonsense. 18 year old have been allowed to vote since before I was 18. Though I did not know diddly at 18 I joined the Democratic party because my parents were FDR Democrats but allowed Senator Barry Goldwater to persuade me that they were the black hats and the conservatives were the white hats so I switch at age 24 and remained loyal for 30 years before concluding my parents wee right after all. I don't know ant liberal that believes a dishwasher should make the same as a neurosurgeon You are showing your ignorance. Liberals do not stand for equal outcomes just equal opportunity. That equal outcome thing is a myth propagated by conservatives. That is stuff they want to believe because it makes them feel superior I suppose I ant think of any other reason they would perpetuate such myths.

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Nov 18, 2016 17:14:54   #
Nickolai
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Try reading the liberal posts here.

We understand Nick. You lost big time and can't cope.





I'm coping and I'm used to it. Liberalism died over 40 years ago politically we haven't had a progressive president since JFK and the right killed him

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Nov 18, 2016 17:41:42   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Randy131 wrote:
WOW, You apparently love to makeup history! All the facts I quoted came from just Obama's terms as President, and it seems you can't answer a single one of them. The over 15 million unemployed Americans dropped from the 'US Workforce' report is about a year and a half old, and by now I'm sure that number is over 16 million unemployed Americans dropped from the 'US Workforce', and the BLS statistics show that never a single one was ever added back in, despite a false economic recovery of 7 years and 4 months straight. When Obama became President in the depth and throes of the Bush recession, there were only 17 million Americans on 'Welfare& Food Stamps', and 5 months later started 7 years and 4 months straight of Obama's June 2009 declared economic recovery, but today we now have over 48 million Americans on 'Welfare & Food Stamps', and some say that number is actually over 50 million, but lets use Obama's BLS statistics anyway, a nearly three fold increase of Americans on 'Welfare & Food Stamps', all during 7 years and 4 months straight of an economic recovery. What is wrong with this picture, is everyone (Obama & BLS) telling the truth? I guess in your mind the American people haven't suffered enough under Obama and the Democrats, but fortunately enough the majority of Americans have decided we have, and voted that way to stop Hillary Clinton from continuing all of Obama's failed policies and agendas, and elected Donald Trump as our next President. Thank GOD!

The first to fall will hopefully be Obamacare, which most Americans have learned the hard way that they cannot afford to pay for it, and the ones that can afford to pay for it can't afford to use it because the deductibles and copays are so astronomically high. Getting rid of Obamacare will help the economy out tremendously, by allowing companies to afford to hire more workers, but most of all give the American people much more discretionary money to spend, since they aren't forced to pay for Obamacare any more, and will be able to spend that tremendous amount of saved money from being forced to purchase something that they don't want or need, on other things that will create demand for more manufactured goods and services, putting even more people back to work, and that will create the spending even more money in our economy. Discretionary spending is the life-blood of any economy, and having it will cause it to grow. Obamacare has robbed the American people of their discretionary money, to spend freely on what they want, need, and/or desire.
WOW, You apparently love to makeup history! All t... (show quote)


Don't hold your breath.

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Nov 18, 2016 17:50:56   #
Nickolai
 
Randy131 wrote:
Socialism and Communism does the exact same thing as Fascism, it has the government take over the businesses and religion, and enslaves the people through the rationing distribution of the needs of the people. This is the same thing that Obama and the Democrats have tried to do for the last 8 years, take over our healthcare system and ration it out to people who will accept their dominance, by stipends to pay for what the Democrats themselves made unaffordable, and by forcing everyone on what the government provides for them. They also attacked our religious freedom, allowing Muslims to be completely exempt from their Democratic Party law of Obamacare, while forcing Christians into it against their will and against their religious beliefs. They have tried to destroy our 2nd Amendment through the unlegislated laws of 'Executive Orders & Decrees', using federal agencies and departments to implement unlegislated laws through rules and regulations, and limiting our free speech through laws of 'Hate Speech', which only those in power can determine what that hate speech is, since it is not clearly defined and very ambiguous. All this is precisely the definition that you yourself use for fascism, again your own words prove your claim to be false. Don't answer this blog, bother the other people who accept your ignorance, you tire me by your ignorance and I've had enough of your stupidity.
Socialism and Communism does the exact same thing ... (show quote)




You are badly miss guided as well as ignorant but I don't men that as an insult ignorance is simply the lack knowledge and can be alleviated with a little effort

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Nov 18, 2016 18:12:17   #
Nickolai
 
Loki wrote:
Let us have a true Democracy then. Let us vote on whether or not to allow your precious wetbacks to become amnestied citizens of this country. Let us vote on whether or not drones who have never held a job, contributed anything other than carbon dioxide to society should be allowed to decide how much the people who work for a living should have extorted from their checks for said drones support. People like you think that non-citizens should be allowed to vote. I agree, just as soon as American citizens are allowed to vote in Mexican elections.
You think that an 18 year old who has yet to graduate high school, has never had a job, or his or her own home, or paid a tax, supported a family, served in the military or in most cases has not even fully developed their decision making capability should have the same say as a thirty year old taxpayer who has done all these things. Your Utopian California society would collapse under it's own weight in a few months into a complete anarchy.
Like most Liberal Hobbit Dancers, you are a Bakuninite at heart.
Democrats believe that the vote of a clueless immature teeny-bopper should count as much as that of a responsible adult. It shows that you, yourself lack maturity and responsibility. You want rights without responsibility. You want from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs. This is the battle cry not only of Karl Marx, but of leeches who have never produced anything of tangible worth. Equality is earned, not bestowed by the misguided belief of some butthurt Liberal spin doctor. A dishwasher should make as much money as a neurosurgeon. Your fantasy world is a non starter, as is your misguided beliefs on the supposed "qualities" of Liberals.
Let us have a true Democracy then. Let us vote on ... (show quote)









Nothing you've said in this rant is true all are conservative myths I suppose he myths make you and all conservatives feel condescending. Dishwashers shouldn't make the same as a neurosurgeon nor should outcomes be equal. Opportunity should be equal and each individual make from it what they can. If they fail that's what a social safety net is for to catch the loosers in a capitalist economic system, those who don't have the wherewithal to survive In a competitive system

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Nov 18, 2016 18:29:34   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Nickolai wrote:
I don't have any privilege I'm retired from my construction business I've been retired 21 years reading studying recollecting and analyzing the era of the rise of movement conservatism from the early 1970's to the present that has concentrated wealth at the top decimated the middle class and polarized the nation


Too funny!

Have a good evening!

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Nov 18, 2016 18:55:04   #
Nickolai
 
Docadhoc wrote:
So how do you like supporting all those illegals and breathing air you can see? And rationing water? How about nearing bankruptcy or becoming an island....that is if.your chunk stays right side up after the quake breaks it off?

Yeah, great civilization.






Since Arnold Schwarzenegger finished his second term California has eliminated a 24 billion deficit left over from electric utility de regulation and now have a ten billion rainy day fund thanks to getting rid of the Republicans in state government. We still have a few from some conservative districts but they have no power to screw things up like they have in the past. As far as Mexicans California was Mexico until President Polk used a pretext to declare war on Mexico and steal California. Mexicans were here long before white Europeans came. They bus out restaurant tables, clean the hotel rooms, do the field work in our agriculture, build our houses, mow our lawns and trim our bushes. The state couldn't function with out them

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Nov 18, 2016 18:59:33   #
Nickolai
 
Docadhoc wrote:
It's okay JF. "Civilizations" like his are self limiting. The ones that don't starve to death, kill each other off.

If CA seceded it would be a boon to the other 49 states.





Oregon Washington and Nevada are coming with us





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Nov 18, 2016 19:12:54   #
Nickolai
 
Randy131 wrote:
Socialism and Communism does the exact same thing as Fascism, it has the government take over the businesses and religion, and enslaves the people through the rationing distribution of the needs of the people. This is the same thing that Obama and the Democrats have tried to do for the last 8 years, take over our healthcare system and ration it out to people who will accept their dominance, by stipends to pay for what the Democrats themselves made unaffordable, and by forcing everyone on what the government provides for them. They also attacked our religious freedom, allowing Muslims to be completely exempt from their Democratic Party law of Obamacare, while forcing Christians into it against their will and against their religious beliefs. They have tried to destroy our 2nd Amendment through the unlegislated laws of 'Executive Orders & Decrees', using federal agencies and departments to implement unlegislated laws through rules and regulations, and limiting our free speech through laws of 'Hate Speech', which only those in power can determine what that hate speech is, since it is not clearly defined and very ambiguous. All this is precisely the definition that you yourself use for fascism, again your own words prove your claim to be false. Don't answer this blog, bother the other people who accept your ignorance, you tire me by your ignorance and I've had enough of your stupidity.
Socialism and Communism does the exact same thing ... (show quote)







No Government partners with business and Religion in fascism. The struggle in Germany following WW-l was between the Nazi fascists and the socialist's. The Nazis won that struggle because Hitler promised that only he could make Germany great again and fix it blaming the Jews and Poles for all the problems and that they needed to be driven out

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Nov 18, 2016 19:48:59   #
VladimirPee
 
No system is perfect but ours is better than all the others


Nickolai wrote:
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I'm aware of all of that and the fact the founders settled on a Republic because they wanted to be Aristocrats and believed a Democracy was rule by mob and that the common man was not capable of participating in government that only the educated elite should rule. The government they created did not allow Native Americans, women, indentured servants, black slaves, or landless peasants vote or even serve on a jury. The Democracy the nation has attained was fought for with blood sweat and tears. Democracy and capitalism has been at odds forever. Sometimes Democracy surges such as it did from 1933 to 1973 but most of the time capitalism wins such as it has since 1973. Since capitalism collapsed for the second time in my lifetime in 2008 I thought I sensed a surge in Democracy but it wasn't to be we will have to wait a while longer.

From the pharaohs of ancient Egypt to the self-regarding thugs of ancient Rome to the glorified warlords of medieval and absolutist Europe, in nearly every urbanized society throughout human history, there have been people who have tried to constitute themselves as an aristocracy. These people and their allies are the conservatives.
The tactics of conservatism vary widely by place and time. But the most central feature of conservatism is deference: a psychologically internalized attitude on the part of the common people that the aristocracy are better people than they are. Modern-day liberals often theorize that conservatives use "social issues" as a way to mask economic objectives, but this is almost backward: the true goal of conservatism is to establish an aristocracy, which is a social and psychological condition of inequality. Economic inequality and regressive taxation, while certainly welcomed by the aristocracy, are best understood as a means to their actual goal, which is simply to be aristocrats.

More generally, it is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them. Of course this notion sounds bizarre to modern ears, but it is perfectly overt in the writings of leading conservative theorists such as Burke. Democracy, for them, is not about the mechanisms of voting and office-holding. In fact conservatives hold a wide variety of opinions about such secondary formal matters. For conservatives, rather, democracy is a psychological condition. People who believe that the aristocracy rightfully dominates society because of its intrinsic superiority are conservatives; democrats, by contrast, believe that they are of equal social worth. Conservatism is the antithesis of democracy. This has been true for thousands of years.
' br br br I'm aware of all of that and the fact... (show quote)

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Nov 18, 2016 19:49:46   #
VladimirPee
 
I doubt Canada would want you loons

Nickolai wrote:
Oregon Washington and Nevada are coming with us

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Nov 18, 2016 20:22:20   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Nickolai wrote:
I'm used to it. We haven't had a progressive President since JFK and the rulers killed him


If you are used to it, why haven't you learned?

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