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Nov 17, 2016 07:59:23   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
We call God perfect, because only God can know what is in the future.


Actually we call God perfect because scripture says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."[Mat 5:48]

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Nov 17, 2016 08:22:28   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
susanblange wrote:
So what you're saying is that you cannot rely on the historicity of the text of the NT. The NT says Jesus was crucified on a Friday evening, that's why it is called "Good Friday".


Neither "Friday" nor "good Friday" are found in scripture.

susanblange wrote:
The numbers do not add up and Jesus was not God's anointed.


Hebrew Messiah; English Anointed; Greek Xristos.
Psalm 132:17 There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine [xristw] anointed.
cristw = dative masculine singular adjective form of Xristos = Christ = literally "the Anointed One" - equivalent to the Hebrew Messiah)

Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's [Xriston] Christ.

Xriston = noun accusative masculine singular form of noun Xristos = Christ literally "the Anointed One" - equivalent to the Hebrew Messiah

Luke 9:18 And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, [Ton Xriston tou Theou] The Christ of God.

Xriston noun accusative masculine singingular form of noun Xristos = Christ = literally "the Anointed One" equivalent to the Hebrew Messiah)

susanblange wrote:
It was the multitudes of his followers that had him crucified, not the Jews. If the Jews had their way, Jesus would've been stoned to death.


The Jews had no choice. They were captives of Rome. That is why they turned Jesus over to the Romans for execution. And the Romans crucified criminals.

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Nov 17, 2016 09:29:16   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Mary is dead. Jesus told us that the dead know nothing. So how can she pray for us, let alone hear our prayers? Mary was a sinner. Just like the rest of us. We should pray in Jesus name. He is our high priest. He is our intercessor before God. There is no other. Just saying.


I just finished reading your above comment about the Church and your not needing the Church which all informed Christians know is not a building but a local community of Christians forming The Body of Christ of which Christ is always the head. If one is not part of the Body of Christ how can one be a Christian? How do you join with other Christians to worship? It's very obvious that this is what Christians do and often in history it was at their peril. But it did (does) require some sacrifice and commitment on Sunday morning.

So as I understand it, you claim to be a Christian but reject being part of the Body of Christ thereby making up your own rules clearly contrary to those scriptures you know so much about. If you were a part of the Body of Christ you would understand that death does not separate you from that Body. You might as well be an atheist who claim when you're dead, you're dead, the end, period! On the other hand the Christian Church (The Body of Christ) includes the Church Militant, here on earth fighting against sin the world and the devil, the Church Expectant, waiting on the Second Coming, and the Church Triumphant in heaven. Where do you see yourself in this Body of Christ? Christians, pray for one another no matter which part of the Christian Church they belong to, it's part of what we are expected to do for one another and Mary has been recognized as a powerful intercessor from early times. Since you've rejected being part of the Body of Christ who do you ask to pray for you?

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Nov 17, 2016 09:32:39   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
This is just basic; Christians are saved for accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior. Grace is given to those asking for forgiveness of their sins, in the name of Jesus/Yahshua.
IMO: All Christians including; Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists, Methodists, Messianic Jews, and etc. can be saved.
IMO: The problem is; Christians have to get saved in spite of their religious sects.
IMO: Some misguided doctrines are more difficult to overcome.
IMO: Finding scholarly pastors are hard to find; ones that can, and will get into the meat of the Word. Ministers that are not bound to their churches doctrines.
I hope more People/Christians can find those ministers. A better chance is with non-denominational ministries.

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Nov 17, 2016 10:15:04   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
eagleye13 wrote:
This is just basic; Christians are saved for accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior. Grace is given to those asking for forgiveness of their sins, in the name of Jesus/Yahshua.
IMO: All Christians including; Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists, Methodists, Messianic Jews, and etc. can be saved.
IMO: The problem is; Christians have to get saved in spite of their religious sects.
IMO: Some misguided doctrines are more difficult to overcome.
IMO: Finding scholarly pastors are hard to find; ones that can, and will get into the meat of the Word. Ministers that are not bound to their churches doctrines.
I hope more People/Christians can find those ministers. A better chance is with non-denominational ministries.
This is just basic; Christians are saved for accep... (show quote)


Ok, that's your opinion! You're entitled to it but I'm also entitled to tell you that you are wrong but understand its not because I'm criticizing you but because I care. Your sentiment is laudable but, for example Mormons and Jehovah's Witness do not believe in the same Jesus Christ as I assume you do. Doctrine, correct doctrine, is an important condition of Christianity. You've read where Theo denies the Doctrine if The Holy Trinity. That's an essential belief in Christianity as is baptism and many other things. The denomination of a nondenominational church is it's denomination.

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Nov 17, 2016 10:24:08   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
padremike wrote:
Ok, that's your opinion! You're entitled to it but I'm also entitled to tell you that you are wrong but understand its not because I'm criticizing you but because I care. Your sentiment is laudable but, for example Mormons and Jehovah's Witness do not believe in the same Jesus Christ as I assume you do. Doctrine, correct doctrine, is an important condition of Christianity. You've read where Theo denies the Doctrine if The Holy Trinity. That's an essential belief in Christianity as is baptism and many other things. The denomination of a nondenominational church is it's denomination.
Ok, that's your opinion! You're entitled to it bu... (show quote)


did you miss my whole point padre???
People are saved in spite of the religion they have attached themselves to. God knows their hearts, and they overcome the BS.

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Nov 17, 2016 11:20:52   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Theo wrote:
Actually we call God perfect because scripture says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."[Mat 5:48]


God is not perfect, nobody is. Psalm 119:96. "I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad".

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Nov 17, 2016 11:33:26   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Theo wrote:
The Jews had no choice. They were captives of Rome. That is why they turned Jesus over to the Romans for execution. And the Romans crucified criminals.


Jesus was not the Messiah. He was never anointed by the Jews. The term "Messiah" or "Christ" means "anointed one". When the Messiah comes, he will bring righteousness, world peace, and prosperity. He will also be executed by Christians but will return from Heaven back to Earth on the mount of Olives along with all the angels. Zechariah 14:4-5. There are not two or three second comings, there is only one.

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Nov 17, 2016 11:47:12   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
"Jesus was not the Messiah. He was never anointed by the Jews."- susanblange

Are you that ignorant suzie?
"Jews" have to anoint God?
The created must anoint the creator?
You better think that one out.

susanblange wrote:
Jesus was not the Messiah. He was never anointed by the Jews. The term "Messiah" or "Christ" means "anointed one". When the Messiah comes, he will bring righteousness, world peace, and prosperity. He will also be executed by Christians but will return from Heaven back to Earth on the mount of Olives along with all the angels. Zechariah 14:4-5. There are not two or three second comings, there is only one.

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Nov 17, 2016 11:48:10   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
eagleye13 wrote:
did you miss my whole point padre???
People are saved in spite of the religion they have attached themselves to. God knows their hearts, and they overcome the BS.


I saw your point but your point is wrong. God's grace flows where He says it will flow but that does not mean He allows it to flow into grievous error. According to you all that matters is how your heart feels. Of course you probably think that when Christianity speaks of the Heart you think of that blood pumper in your chest right? Most do but that's not the case. Stop padre! You know what my friend, this is a waste of time you go ahead and believe whatever you want. I'm signing out of this thread. Primarily because of the nuts, like Theo, that it attracts and then this new Susan whatever.

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Nov 17, 2016 11:55:37   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
First lesson;
Do not put the church, interpreters of the Word ahead of God, and His Word.
That may take some prayer.

padremike wrote:
I saw your point but your point is wrong. God's grace flows where He says it will flow but that does not mean He allows it to flow into grievous error. According to you all that matters is how your heart feels. Of course you probably think that when Christianity speaks of the Heart you think of that blood pumper in your chest right? Most do but that's not the case. Stop padre! You know what my friend, this is a waste of time you go ahead and believe whatever you want. I'm signing out of this thread. Primarily because of the nuts, like Theo, that it attracts and then this new Susan whatever.
I saw your point but your point is wrong. God's g... (show quote)

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Nov 17, 2016 12:25:09   #
endgame Loc: earth; still on top
 
Theo wrote:
The Jews had no choice. They were captives of Rome. That is why they turned Jesus over to the Romans for execution. And the Romans crucified criminals.


Theo...
Historically & current - death, destruction all backed by some sort of religion or sect, which focuses on some sort of god, higher being, creative force.

The following link goes to an in depth essay and arguments regarding existence of god & has cited other studies of the 'question'. Pretty long but very well laid out

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/philosophy/the-non-existence-of-god-philosophy-essay.php

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Nov 17, 2016 12:36:07   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Are we to ignore the over 300 Million slaughtered under godless communism?
BTW; Religion does get high jacked.

endgame wrote:
Theo...
Historically & current - death, destruction all backed by some sort of religion or sect, which focuses on some sort of god, higher being, creative force.

The following link goes to an in depth essay and arguments regarding existence of god & has cited other studies of the 'question'. Pretty long but very well laid out

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/philosophy/the-non-existence-of-god-philosophy-essay.php

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Nov 17, 2016 12:56:35   #
Mr Bombastic
 
kcstargoat wrote:
I am agnostic, so I will grant you that atheism is based on faith, since the actual mechanisms of evolution, the planets and stars, the complexity of nature can't yet be explained. Yet is the key word. But to invent a creator and believe in a hereafter fueled by living a moral and ethical life reminds one of a magic kingdom which extorts one to behave, or live in ways acceptable to a civilization. Is modern civilization superior to what The Native American Indian societies had before they were almost completely wiped out? Could there be more than one god? Why not? Why must one believe in the fables written in the Bible? The concept that Jesus died for human sins is incredible. I don't think the one god, one savior story washes. Too many miracles for my taste. Why don't we just put the idea of God aside and live the best life we believe we can live? Why do we need a book or religion to justify our existence and provide the great comfort of a type of life after death? Is the fear of death, of the unknown, why we have religion? I do not need one faith or the other, atheism or organized religion. My intent is to enjoy life in a moral and ethical way until I cease existing. When I cease existing it will be as if I have never been.
I am agnostic, so I will grant you that atheism is... (show quote)


We have many examples of cultures that tried to get by without God. Every single one was a unmitigated disaster. North Korea is a perfect example. There are many others. Millions of their own citizens murdered. America was founded on Judaeo Christian values. Those values, and a belief in God, are what made us the greatest nation on Earth. Now, we are abandoning those values and beliefs. Are we better off for it? I think not.

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Nov 17, 2016 13:03:41   #
Mr Bombastic
 
Theo wrote:
But MEN have a doctrine about the immaculate conception of Mary, in order to interrupt the doctrine of Original sin between Man and Jesus' birth.

Do you mean for us to understand there are some doctrines of Men you do NOT believe?

Maybe there is hope on the horizon.


I never claimed a belief, other than a belief in Scripture. It is the final word. We may disagree on what it means, but the Bible tells us that we should reason together. If one believes that Jesus is the Son of God, that He was born of a virgin, that He lived a perfect life, and that He died and rose again to save us from our sins, then that is all we need to know.

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