Armageddun Loc: The show me state

There is a movement trying to be started by Tasine, I'm sure many of you have read her post on the opps. She is trying to find a way to stop all the anger and divisions between us so-called serfs. I hope you will forgive me for bringing this subject into this page. But I think we all can agree that we can banter back and forth until the cows come home and still not have settled the question of creation vs evolution.

They only thing we really know is that we all got here one way or the other and if we had the exact right answers where would put us. Kinda like a dog chasing a car. What would he do with it if he caught it?

We have a great problem in our country and fighting each other is only going to make it worse. As they say united we stand divided we fall. Are there any on this page who are willing to lay down their own self beliefs and come to the place where we can together see if we can come to a legal, practical solution to the problems facing America. Only rules: Leave the antagnisim at the door along with your absolute political resolves, your religious beliefs or non-beliefs, any racisim, etc. And try to unite in a sensible dialogue. Forgive me if I have misspoken but I belive we are on the door step of our nation's destiny.

May we all unite in trying to save America

VladimirPee

I respect the attempt by Tasine but without racism and division the left has nothing. Just look at the circus over at MSNBC.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

I understand that this is a tremendous attempt. However something has to change. Saving the unity and safety of our nation dulls all attempts at one-upmanship. We must come together and stop all this hatred and anger, We are playing right into the hands of powerful forces both seen and unseen, Can't we all just slow down, take a deep breath, and seek stop the hate that is destroying the destiny of our Great Nation. I truly believe if we all were setting around a table drinking coffee, the air would be more productive and less hostile. Please let's all join in doing our parts to make America great again.

vernon

so he doubled the national debt so has youobama.the difference he broke a recession and had the country hiring 1000000 mil a month.now with this dumb turkey you have now he has spent more in the last 12 months than rwr did in his 8 yrs nd what do we have to show for it.

ShowMeTheFacts

Well there were some very good points that can be backed by data made by the so called "rightwing gang-up club". It's sad they were overshadowed by put downs and trash talk. The post on the Community Reinvestment Act and Contract with America are completely correct. As for trash talk, I believe Timeforreality led off with two-face pea brains... I guess that's not inflammatory in the least.

VladimirPee

Not even a lousy Tshirt

Hungry Freaks

So what? Revenue has nearly doubled under Obama. that tends to happen when a recession ends. And annual deficits are starting to decline, very slowly, but at least headed in the right direction.

Under Reagan, deficits grew because revenue didn't keep pace with spending. Reagan didn't decrease spending in any one of the eight years he was in office. And he never submitted a balanced budget. by the end of his first term,annual deficits were nearly three times as large as in his first year. (70 billion to 200 billion) And way above 1979 when the deficit was 40 billion.

What Volcker said below was that Reagan created a feeling-Reagan was very good at cheerleading-about how government isn't the solution to everything. But Volcker infers that Reagan actually cut back on spending, which he didn't. A historical fact. Look at the budget yourself.

Reagan said "government isn't the solution, it's the problem" But he did little else. He cut taxes, didn't get the revenue expected from those tax cuts and refused to cut spending. By the end of his first term, the annual deficits had tripod (or nearly so) the national debt.

But I gotta admit the guy was a master of the camera. Gorby said, in his talks with Reagan, that Reagan seemed confused and vague in private conversation but lite up when the camera light came on.

Another famous story from those talks, Colin Powell and others told of Reagan telling Gorby about how, if an alien force invaded earth, the US and theUSSR would join together to fight a common enemy. Kind of like WWII, only earthlings against aliens. Gorby was shocked by the talk. Powell would say, when Reagan got going, "here come the little green men."

Gotta love Powell's loyalty to his boss.

What a legacy. "Morning in America" without the sun rising. Carter said that Americans had to live within its means and got hammered for it, for stating an obvious fact. Reagan said it was morning in America and everybody crowed.

Carter was probably the most moral president we've had in my lifetime, a president who ended military aid to the murderous dictators in Guatemala, el Salvador and Nicaragua, aid that Reagan restored to the first two and waged war against the people who overthrow the murderous dictator in the third.

Carter made some bad appointments, Ham Jordan being the biggest, his one-year Fed chairman, who took over from an equally poor fed chairman appointed by Nixon. And let's not forget Bert Lance.

But at least Carter saw his flaw in the fed appointment and eventually appointed Volcker, who was responsible for what Reagan took credit for.

There was no such introspection in the Reagan administration. Remember "lose shoes, tight pussy and a warm place to shit."? Earl Butz, wasn't it? Those were the days.

Reagan had more members of his administration indicted than any previous administration, including Nixon, all of them pardoned by HW bush or Reagan himself. He waged war against a nation that committed no hostile acts against us, except overthrowing a US-installed murderous dictator, and sold arms to to a country that had seized our embassy, a country that was the subject of an international boycott of arms sales. Again, what a legacy.

Throughout it all the right clammed up and said nothing because Reagan spoke their language. Spoke of family values although he had none himself (was screwing around with Nancy Davis before his divorce from Jane Wyman, knock Nancy up before he was divorced, and so on) , spoke about fiscal responsibility although he instituted none on the government himself, and talked of peace although he armed some of the most murderous thugs in the world, including a little-know Islamic cleric fighting the Soviet-backed government in Afghanistan, a man known as Osama bin Laden. You know, you enemy's enemy and all that.

What a legacy.

VladimirPee

So what? You claimed that revenue did not increase as much as expected. I said it DOUBLED . Your dishonest reply is SO WHAT OBAMA's has doubled too?? Who ever mentioned OBAMA? I am not denying the spending side which lead to deficits. But revenue did double. Annual deficits are not starting to decline. Sequester cuts were just reversed so you will see an increase in the deficit for 2014 over 2013. That is the Wrong Direction.

I have never heard of any Reagan quote that mentioned aliens. The Iceland Summit transcript is available online and I have read it many times. Is this another one of your questionable quotes?

Carter most moral? How so? He sat on his hands during the Genocide in Cambodia by Pol Pot. Mr. Human Rights did nothing just like Clinton ignored Rwanda.

You made a dishonest claim that tax cuts did not deliver the revenue increases they planned on.

Volker gave credit to Reagan for ending inflation. This enabled Volker to stop his tight monetary policy and lower interest rates.

As far as BinLaden is concerned. He was a 28 yr old mujahedeen fighter in the war against the Soviets. Reagan listened to Democrat Congressman Charlie Wilson who grew very close to the Afghan resistance and urged Reagan to help. TO HIS CREDIT he listened to Wilson and the rest is history. The Soviet defeat was one they never recovered from. There was no way of knowing BinLaden would later go onto Pakistan and become a radical nutcase.

VladimirPee

Carter most moral? I contend he was the LEAST MORAL. On rare occasion has an American President Dem or GOP ignored such a massive genocide as Cambodia.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Thanks and and a big thumbs up to you

vernon

i think these people who want to do away with whitey better stop and think if whitey goes prosperity goes.and the (others) will be back to hunting and gathering in 20 yrs.

Hungry Freaks

Jimmy Carter didn't do anything to stop the Killing Fields?

Take a good look at the history of Cambodia during the late 1960s and through 1978 when the Vietnamese Communists ousted Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

Nixon helped in the ouster of Sinanouck, thus leading to the rule of Lon Nol, a Nixon darling who was weak and eventually overthrown by the KR. The KR began their atrocities iduring the Cambodia Civil War (1070-1975) and continued in 1975 with the Killing Fields when they took power. Carter didn't become president until Jan 1977, a year before the Vietnamese ousted the KR.

The extent of the Killing Fields wasn't known to the outside world until after the KR and Pol Pot were ousted. There were no outside observers, or internal opposition, in Cambodia after the KR took power. It was only after their ouster that the extent became known.

Again, you spew revisionist history. Carter cut off aid to the genocidal governments in Guatemala and El Salvador. Ronald Reagan re-sintituted that aid to these murderous regimes. If Carter didn't stop them in the year he was in power, why didn't Ford do something in 1975-1976? I don't blame either of them-there wasn't the information except that the KR had committed atrocities before they took power. Cambodia was a closed society in 1975-1978.

VladimirPee

Sorry more disinformation. Pol Pot controlled Cambodia well into 1979. He took control of the country in 1975.

" I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. I encouraged the Thai to help the Khmer Rouge. The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him. But China could. "
Zbigniew Brzezinski

Carter didn't just ignore Pol Pot HE HELPED HIM


This from PBS Frontline a left wing source you would respect.


The United States gave the Sihanouk-Khmer Rouge coalition millions of dollars in aid while enforcing an economic embargo against the Vietnamese-backed Cambodian government. The Carter administration helped the Khmer Rouge keep its seat at the United Nations, tacitly implying that they were still the country's legitimate rulers.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/cambodia/tl04.html

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Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

you are right there. i am a licensed contractor. Most of my customers are white and they are darn fine people who treat me very well.

Timeforreality

Dennis: Over $30,000/yr in Fed taxes alone---I'm not paying enough? Yea, I'm a whitey too. Maybe you just assumed all white people are dupes of the rich but the last two elections would indicate that is not the case.