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Jan 1, 2014 19:19:18   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
The plan of running against Obamacare has collapsed as HHS announced that 975,000 people signed up for Obamacare in December!


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/29/republicans-collapse-obamacare-enrollment-skyrockets-december.html


What's wrong with this picture? The writer of this article quotes an "official" number of 975,000 signing up, then he exaggerates and says, Millions of Americans have now signed up for access to affordable healthcare. All this aside, he left out a very important, even critical, point.

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Obamacare Has No System In Place To Pay Subsidies To Insurance Companies.

In most cases that I’ve known about, laws have been struck down if the agencies involved were not equipped to implement them. So why hasn’t Congress or the courts struck down Obamacare for the same reason?

Their website is still an utter failure in so many ways. The government’s big fix was to put a queue on the website for all of those who could not access the site so that the government can get back to them at a more inconvenient time. Yet, there are still numerous reports of people not being able to complete their transactions, of if they do, their information is not reaching the insurance companies so they can’t issue a policy. Then there are the reports that the insurance companies are getting multiple copies of applications from the same person and they don’t always contain the same or complete information. And let’s not forget about the millions of people that get hit with sticker shock when they see the quotes which are hundreds of dollars a month more than what they were paying.

Now there is another major flaw in the Obamacare system being reported. At this time, there is no system in place for the government to pay the insurance companies the subsidy money for qualifying individuals. That’s right, the mechanism for paying the insurance companies hasn’t even been built yet.
b Obamacare Has No System In Place To Pay Subsidi... (show quote)


Which means, essentially, that the doctors and other medical professionals are holding off on treatments covered by ZEROcare until they can be assured of getting paid.

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Jan 1, 2014 19:20:49   #
Glaucon
 
Winter Solstice wrote:
We can rely on youu Rylan to post an article from a Liberal Rag to prove your point.
Facts are still the same. Far more people have had their healthcare cancelled because of the ACA than the few who have signed up for Obamacare. Further, the count sighted in Politicus USA is those who have signed up. Many have not bought the coverage.
The article is typical of the left, print what proves your point and skip over anything that does not. What a way to run a business is all I have to say.
We can rely on youu Rylan to post an article from ... (show quote)


I hate it when Democrats print what proves their points and skip over anything that does not and that is typical of the left." I have never found that Republicans do that. Republicans speak only truth. I think Democrats, but not Republicans tend to hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.

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Jan 1, 2014 19:22:07   #
Glaucon
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Which means, essentially, that the doctors and other medical professionals are holding off on treatments covered by ZEROcare until they can be assured of getting paid.


If these "facts" were actually true, I would be concerned. I am not.

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Jan 1, 2014 19:23:27   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
The plan of running against Obamacare has collapsed as HHS announced that 975,000 people signed up for Obamacare in December!


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/29/republicans-collapse-obamacare-enrollment-skyrockets-december.html


The US has a population of 313 million people, with 2.2 million having enrolled in Obamacare, looks like they have a ways to got.

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Jan 1, 2014 19:53:39   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Glaucon wrote:
If these "facts" were actually true, I would be concerned. I am not.
You must have missed Henry Chao's testimony before a Congressional subcommittee.

Henry Chao wrote:
"We still need to build the payments system to make the payments to insurance companies in January," testified Chao, deputy chief information officer of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal agency that operates HealthCare.gov.

That so-called financial management tool was originally supposed to be part of HealthCare.gov when it launched Oct. 1, but officials later suspended its launch as part of their effort to get the consumer interface part of the site ready. The tool will, when it works, transmit the subsidies that the government is kicking in for many enrollees to offset the costs of their monthly premiums.
"We still need to build the payments system t... (show quote)


Obamacare bombshell: IT official says HealthCare.gov needs payment feature

How the Affordable Care Act will affect doctors

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Jan 1, 2014 20:07:41   #
rickdri
 
Glaucon wrote:
I think the liberals are so happy because we are providing quality, affordable health care for millions of people who had none before. Is that a bad thing?


This is neither quality nor affordable. We lost an affordable plan through our employer. That insurance was great. The new insurance we had to settle for has less coverage and costs 3 times more than what we had. Most people I talk to have had the same problems. I'm sure that a lot of people that signed up had a good outcome. However these people are the ones that qualified for Medicare or are receiving a subsidy. This law has made it tough for a lot of people that don't qualify for either. Remember we were supposed to be able to keep both our doctor and healthcare insurance according to Obama. This is not true. Now over 6 million folks have lost their previous health insurance and are struggling to find and afford new insurance. It may be nice for those that are able to get Medicaid or are just now getting insurance if they can afford it. The rest of us are in for a hard time. Yes this is a bad thing for us.
Instead of making everyone that already had insurance lose their policies and doctors they liked, why did they not just set up insurance for those that did not have it already? All they have done is to make life much more difficult for those that were already covered. It would have been much better and much less costly for everyone to do this instead. Why couldn't they have done this instead? Approximately 80 to 85% of the population already had insurance. To help those that did not have it already would have been much better for everyone involved.

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Jan 1, 2014 20:16:57   #
Mikki Loc: Ohio
 
Glaucon wrote:
I couldn't be more excited. We may be able to keep millions of people from having adequate medical care. Now if we could also cut off their food supply, we might make them go away or just make them eat cake.


You don't make much sense. We had and still have Medicaid for the poor. They actually get as good of care as the people who pay. Could have just raised the poverty level to cover those uninsured so they could get Medicaid instead of ruining the whole system. No one said anything about their food and I think that about 45 to 47 percent of people get food stamps, so what is your problem?

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Jan 1, 2014 20:23:47   #
rickdri
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
The plan of running against Obamacare has collapsed as HHS announced that 975,000 people signed up for Obamacare in December!


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/29/republicans-collapse-obamacare-enrollment-skyrockets-december.html


Let's wait a little longer as people will be going to their doctors and finding out they are not covered yet due to the fact that their payments have not yet been received by the insurance companies. There are still many problems to be worked out with this system.
Let me ask you something. If a republican president had done this and had as many problems and had cost as much as this, would you have not been upset? I believe you would have been screaming at the top of you lungs at the stupidity you have witnessed. I have read your posts when you blasted Bush for what you called stupidity. Would you not have blasted Bush if this had happened to him? You can't say that this roll out has been anything but disastrous. Even Obama has admitted how bad it has been.

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Jan 1, 2014 20:31:11   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
No Obama admitted that the rollout was not good, he was not speaking of the plan in itself !



rickdri wrote:
Let's wait a little longer as people will be going to their doctors and finding out they are not covered yet due to the fact that their payments have not yet been received by the insurance companies. There are still many problems to be worked out with this system.
Let me ask you something. If a republican president had done this and had as many problems and had cost as much as this, would you have not been upset? I believe you would have been screaming at the top of you lungs at the stupidity you have witnessed. I have read your posts when you blasted Bush for what you called stupidity. Would you not have blasted Bush if this had happened to him? You can't say that this roll out has been anything but disastrous. Even Obama has admitted how bad it has been.
Let's wait a little longer as people will be going... (show quote)

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Jan 1, 2014 20:58:42   #
rickdri
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
No Obama admitted that the rollout was not good, he was not speaking of the plan in itself !


If this plan is so good, why have so many people lost their insurance and doctors. Didn't Obama say we could keep them. Why has the cost gone up so much while the coverage has gone down? A lot of people have complained about this happening to them including myself and everyone where my wife works and all of our friends.
It has been stated that approximately 80 to 85% of the population already had insurance. Why were these people subjected to losing insurance and doctors they liked? Why could they not just set up a program to help those without insurance and leave the rest of us alone? I'll tell you why. This is just a play to obtain more power and influence for the government. If it wasn't they would have found a way to do it differently.
Now tell me would you not have roasted Bush had this happened to him? If 6 million people had lost their insurance under Bush's plan, would you not have yelled bloody murder? I sure would have. The difference between Obama and Bush is the letter after their name. D or R.

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Jan 1, 2014 21:02:47   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
You are forgetting that the ACA will be very popular in a few months!



rickdri wrote:
If this plan is so good, why have so many people lost their insurance and doctors. Didn't Obama say we could keep them. Why has the cost gone up so much while the coverage has gone down? A lot of people have complained about this happening to them including myself and everyone where my wife works and all of our friends.
It has been stated that approximately 80 to 85% of the population already had insurance. Why were these people subjected to losing insurance and doctors they liked? Why could they not just set up a program to help those without insurance and leave the rest of us alone? I'll tell you why. This is just a play to obtain more power and influence for the government. If it wasn't they would have found a way to do it differently.
Now tell me would you not have roasted Bush had this happened to him? If 6 million people had lost their insurance under Bush's plan, would you not have yelled bloody murder? I sure would have. The difference between Obama and Bush is the letter after their name. D or R.
If this plan is so good, why have so many people l... (show quote)

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Jan 1, 2014 21:11:55   #
rickdri
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
You are forgetting that the ACA will be very popular in a few months!


If you call people trying to make it on a lot less money they are now paying to their insurance company, higher taxes to pay for the ACA, folks without insurance because their insurance company has not received their payment, folks turned away from their doctors and hospitals again because they have no insurance because their insurance company has not received their payment or subsidy payment from the government, popular then yeah I guess. Again would you not have screamed at Bush for a similar happenstance?

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Jan 1, 2014 21:15:40   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
According to whom?


rickdri wrote:
If you call people trying to make it on a lot less money they are now paying to their insurance company, higher taxes to pay for the ACA, folks without insurance because their insurance company has not received their payment, folks turned away from their doctors and hospitals again because they have no insurance because their insurance company has not received their payment or subsidy payment from the government, popular then yeah I guess. Again would you not have screamed at Bush for a similar happenstance?
If you call people trying to make it on a lot less... (show quote)

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Jan 1, 2014 21:31:23   #
Glaucon
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
You are forgetting that the ACA will be very popular in a few months!


When assumptions are bogus, conclusions are wrong. Get some facts.

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Jan 1, 2014 21:33:00   #
rickdri
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
According to whom?


According to the Department of Health and Human Services. They want Insurance companies to help fix the disaster of payments and signed documents not getting to the insurance companies. Now Obama said that the insurance companies can bill the government for the premiums. That is for the people that have successfully gotten their signed documents to the insurance companies. The DHHS has estimated about 15-20% of the needed documents have not arrived at the insurance companies. Why hasn't this problem been fixed yet? Why have folks had to suffer with such an incredibly ridiculous roll out?
Again why do you back Obama when you would have blasted Bush? Also if Obama and company are so smart, why couldn't they have figured out a way to insure the 15-20% of the population without disrupting everything and causing so much pain for so many people?

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