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Oct 11, 2016 10:47:04   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
bilordinary wrote:
If the democrats weren't depending on a slanted election, they would have never run a loser like Hillary!
You at least get part of it, but I don't think you quite grasp the whole concept of what's going on. Yes, this election is slanted...it has been from the start...even back to the primaries on both sides. Why do you think Donald Trump even got into the race? Because the Clintons needed someone that they could beat. With all of Hillary's scandals, she would never have been able to beat the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Walker, Fiorina, Paul, or maybe not even Jeb Bush! (Not to mention the fact that she's just totally unlikeable on both sides). That means low voter turn out on her side and high voter turn out on the other side. What to do about her predicament?

ENTER: THE CLINTON MACHINE and how they orchestrated Trump's campaign.

Donald Trump is the ONLY guy that was equally repugnant and yet had the gravitas (thanks to his billionaire status and celebrity) to win people over that would be the perfect mole. They also knew that the Right was no different than the Left in one respect: Both have legions of gullible minions that are more focused on "winning" than on minor details like character, morality, integrity, valid policy stances, a firm grasp and in-depth knowledge of the issues and a proven track record of sound governance. Like the Obamabots in 2008, Trumpsters don't care about any of those things. All they care about is their perceived concept of winning, while totally missing the bigger picture. Trumpsters' version of the big picture is "A vote for anybody but Trump is a vote for Hillary". That's as deep as these people can think.

I expect more videos of Trump will be "leaked" to the media. They'll save the most damaging video until right before the election. Don't get me wrong here, it won't sway the Trumpster vote whatsoever. They've been bought lock, stock and barrel. But it will damage any votes that he may've pulled from the (Hillary-hating blue dog) Democrats or the Independents.

Not sure how much money the Clintons had to expunge from the Clinton Foundation (or George Soros) to bribe Trump into doing this for them, but I promise you...it was a hefty price tag. I think Trump did it because he's a liar when it comes to his actual net worth. He claims to be worth $10B or something. I'm betting he's worth less than $1B. I think he was in real financial trouble and had to take this deal. I think that's why he won't release his tax information.

Wise up Trumpsters. You've been bamboozled.

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Oct 11, 2016 11:15:45   #
Olden McGroen Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
If a vote for your constitutional candidate didn't equate into a vote for Clinton, more people would vote for him.


And, If I didn't think that a vote for Trump was a vote for a closet Democrat, I might be persuaded to vote for him. He's done little to change my mind.

You see, it works like this: My vote is my vote, not yours, not Trump's, not anyone else's but mine.

Trump doesn't automatically deserve my vote just because I usually vote Republican. Trump has to EARN my vote. And, up this point, he has failed miserably.

Hence, I have shopped elsewhere and have found a candidate that best represents my values and principles...of which are grounded in the bible and the constitution.

How about you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine? Capice?

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Oct 11, 2016 11:23:38   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
A simple scroll back up would answer that one. Let me help you..."Donald Trump represents the values of everyone in the United States who has retained any moral values."- Zemirah

I find it ironic that the same people that trashed Bill Clinton in the 90s for his immoral escapades and claimed that, "Moral character and judgment MATTERS!!!"...are the same people that, fast-forward 20 years and NOW they have, let's say, a more casual attitude toward governing experience, morality, character and ill-advised judgment and decision making. Back then a person's record, policy issues and stances mattered, but today, not so much. I never thought I'd see the day that the electorate on the Right would act like Democrats and abandon all manner of principle and hoist upon their shoulders their champion of whom they have to go to great lengths to stretch the bounds of reason and logic to justify choosing him. I think some of you know deep down in your soul that you made a UGE mistake, but you're too damn proud to admit it now because it's too friggin' late to turn back. Face it Trumpsters, you've been bamboozled by the Donald and the Democrats. Personally, I think the Clintons are behind it. They set the trap and you took the bait.

Congratulations Trumpsters. You've now become Democrats. You can't claim to have the higher ground anymore on policy, principle or morality. You chose a closet sleaze-bag know-nothing Democrat as your champion. Good luck with all that.

DARRELL CASTLE - CONSTITUTION PARTY - 2016
A simple scroll back up would answer that one. Le... (show quote)




I'm not so sure the blame for Trump can be laid at the feet of Clinton or the Democrats.
A more dispassionate (and less conspiracy-minded) theory seems to point to the Republican Party.

With a unique combination of championing the illogic and divisiveness of the far right, coupled with the maniacal focus of doing absolutely nothing but obstruct and oppose Obama, they managed to make a deal with the Devil just to win. Win and nothing else. It is not the imagined clandestine power of the Clintons at work, but rather the inept, morally bankrupt Republican Party that has created this scenario.

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Oct 11, 2016 11:30:07   #
bahmer
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'm not so sure the blame for Trump can be laid at the feet of Clinton or the Democrats.
A more dispassionate (and less conspiracy-minded) theory seems to point to the Republican Party.

With a unique combination of championing the illogic and divisiveness of the far right, coupled with the maniacal focus of doing absolutely nothing but obstruct and oppose Obama, they managed to make a deal with the Devil just to win. Win and nothing else. It is not the imagined clandestine power of the Clintons at work, but rather the inept, morally bankrupt Republican Party that has created this scenario.
I'm not so sure the blame for Trump can be laid at... (show quote)


I believe that both parties are morally and spiritually bankrupt and the only thing that they both crave is power and money as neither party is looking out for the people just themselves. They will both lie cheat and steel to gain what they want and crave. They are like wild animals at a feeding frenzy of sorts for power and money.

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Oct 11, 2016 11:52:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
And, If I didn't think that a vote for Trump was a vote for a closet Democrat, I might be persuaded to vote for him. He's done little to change my mind.

You see, it works like this: My vote is my vote, not yours, not Trump's, not anyone else's but mine.

Trump doesn't automatically deserve my vote just because I usually vote Republican. Trump has to EARN my vote. And, up this point, he has failed miserably.

Hence, I have shopped elsewhere and have found a candidate that best represents my values and principles...of which are grounded in the bible and the constitution.

How about you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine? Capice?
And, If I didn't think that a vote for Trump was a... (show quote)


Do what you want. But the fact remains, and I mean FACT, any vote for anyone other than Trump, is the equivalent of a vote for Clinton. Knowing that makes your choice much more of a choice.

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Oct 11, 2016 12:00:41   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Do what you want. But the fact remains, and I mean FACT, any vote for anyone other than Trump, is the equivalent of a vote for Clinton. Knowing that makes your choice much more of a choice.


That is in fact true, and refusing to vote at all has a similar (if not irrefutable) effect.
I personally want to do everything I can to ensure that Trump does not become our president.
Fortunately, Trump seems to ascribe to my strategy as well.

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Oct 11, 2016 12:14:36   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PaulPisces wrote:
That is in fact true, and refusing to vote at all has a similar (if not irrefutable) effect.
I personally want to do everything I can to ensure that Trump does not become our president.
Fortunately, Trump seems to ascribe to my strategy as well.


I have a friend who has been talking up Clinton for quite a while now. I offered to trust her, that if see didn't vote then I wouldn't cast my vote for Trump. We would, in effect, cancel each other out without the bother of going to the voting booth. But now, she claims that I couldn't know how she was going to vote. Interesting.

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Oct 11, 2016 12:47:38   #
Paybacktimeishere
 
Does trump Represent Your Values?
Listen, I come from a former, powerful,
DemocRatic Family( Then hard core Dixiecrat's),
The DemocRatic Party, Left me, & are now So
Far,to The Far, Left, they're meeting The Rear
End,Of The Farthest Right, Facist/NAZI Party.
I'm now a polyglot, Independent-Libertarian-
NATIONALIST-Party, Ideoloque. I support
Donald Trump, because I believe he will do
what's Right, for All American's. We don't need
a dishonest, corrupt, pre-Jailbird, Rapist Enabler
To Occupy "The Non-White House."

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Oct 11, 2016 13:50:50   #
maryla
 
lindajoy wrote:
She didn't forgive him, they support each other so they keep their polical prowell in tack...She helped him by compromising and enabling...

She went after the women not out jealousy but to preserve their positions in the political field and she did it with showing her true disdain for anyone she views a threat to her goal..Bill owes her, that's all it is...


Agreed

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Oct 11, 2016 14:36:52   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Olden McGroen wrote:
A simple scroll back up would answer that one. Let me help you..."Donald Trump represents the values of everyone in the United States who has retained any moral values."- Zemirah

I find it ironic that the same people that trashed Bill Clinton in the 90s for his immoral escapades and claimed that, "Moral character and judgment MATTERS!!!"...are the same people that, fast-forward 20 years and NOW they have, let's say, a more casual attitude toward governing experience, morality, character and ill-advised judgment and decision making. Back then a person's record, policy issues and stances mattered, but today, not so much. I never thought I'd see the day that the electorate on the Right would act like Democrats and abandon all manner of principle and hoist upon their shoulders their champion of whom they have to go to great lengths to stretch the bounds of reason and logic to justify choosing him. I think some of you know deep down in your soul that you made a UGE mistake, but you're too damn proud to admit it now because it's too friggin' late to turn back. Face it Trumpsters, you've been bamboozled by the Donald and the Democrats. Personally, I think the Clintons are behind it. They set the trap and you took the bait.

Congratulations Trumpsters. You've now become Democrats. You can't claim to have the higher ground anymore on policy, principle or morality. You chose a closet sleaze-bag know-nothing Democrat as your champion. Good luck with all that.

DARRELL CASTLE - CONSTITUTION PARTY - 2016
A simple scroll back up would answer that one. Le... (show quote)


Who says Zemirah speaks for us?

The election is about globalism, whether people know that or not. Therefore Trump is the only choice. Sitting this out for principle's sake also isn't a choice. Besides, all this "moral" outrage is manufactured bullshit anyway, and a waste of time. No one cares, except for the sake of politics. The same people making all the noise cheer much worse at the Grammys.

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Oct 11, 2016 15:01:37   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
BigMike wrote:
Who says Zemirah speaks for us?

The election is about globalism, whether people know that or not. Therefore Trump is the only choice. Sitting this out for principle's sake also isn't a choice. Besides, all this "moral" outrage is manufactured bullshit anyway, and a waste of time. No one cares, except for the sake of politics. The same people making all the noise cheer much worse at the Grammys.


That's essentially correct.

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Oct 11, 2016 15:56:26   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I respectfully disagree. It may have been 11 years ago, but Trump was a 59 year old man at the time, not a teenager in a locker room. Further, there is NOTHING to indicate he has changed his thoughts in the least about women since then.

I believe the idea that Trump will do anything good for this country is pure fantasy. He has made whatever money he does have by screwing the little guys his entire life. And if you think his tax plan is going to benefit you, then you must be in he top 1% already, because they are the only ones who will benefit.

If, after 40 years of having been accused of all the things you mention, there has been no legal charge found to hold up, then I for one think she is not guilty of any crime.

If you throw shit at someone for 40 years, thy are going to smell bad. But that does not make them a piece of shit.
I respectfully disagree. It may have been 11 year... (show quote)


How ignorant does it get???? Bill RAPED and has done plenty against women....there is NO denying that....so after all these years as you say, should count against Trump but NOT against Hillary? How sick can you get? She ATTACKED all of Bill's women...did everything she could to destroy them. Woman's advocate?

You are a typical TWIT!

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Oct 11, 2016 16:03:14   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'm not so sure the blame for Trump can be laid at the feet of Clinton or the Democrats.
A more dispassionate (and less conspiracy-minded) theory seems to point to the Republican Party.

With a unique combination of championing the illogic and divisiveness of the far right, coupled with the maniacal focus of doing absolutely nothing but obstruct and oppose Obama, they managed to make a deal with the Devil just to win. Win and nothing else. It is not the imagined clandestine power of the Clintons at work, but rather the inept, morally bankrupt Republican Party that has created this scenario.
I'm not so sure the blame for Trump can be laid at... (show quote)


So you give a pass to Bill no matter what his track record is? No matter what Hillary has done? No matter what ANYONE democrat has done? One thing Trump and so many others have stated...Hillary would be in jail already IF we had a non corrupt Attorney General...who had the meeting with BILL in Private...

I see a major problem with democrats...they fail to have any common sense at all and never connect the dots.
If Bill Clinton was to have RAPED any women in my family...he would not be talked about too much...I would have shot him. I'd do the same to any rapist when it comes to family.

There has been such a long list of even recent evidence regarding how corrupt the Clinton's are. Nope...no way will Hillary EVER be the President.

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Oct 11, 2016 17:26:19   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
PaulPisces wrote:
The latest revelation bolsters his identity as a sleaze.
Just stop for a second and ask yourself if you would still be supporting him if he had said these things about your daughter. Your wife?
And his half-assed apology only makes it worse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/opinion/the-sleaziness-of-donald-trump.html?emc=edit_th_20161008&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=37695634&_r=0


http://www.infowars.com/banished-the-untold-story-of-danney-williams-search-for-his-father/

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Oct 11, 2016 17:52:29   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
America Only wrote:
http://www.infowars.com/banished-the-untold-story-of-danney-williams-search-for-his-father/


Blood is thicker than ??????!

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