Tasine wrote:
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I see nothing wrong with telling the world about the dark side.
Well, it's your right to say what you think but the only people listening are the people who are already convinced. So really you're only chewing it over and over among the same people. Emotional satisfaction is the only advantage I can see.
Tasine wrote:
BTW, in your haste to denigrate every word I wrote, you didn't notice that with my definition, you wouldn't have been included in those bereft of any info re business .......there may be 3-4 liberals still alive in the US, but we never hear from them. We only hear from the kooks. For all intents and purposes, LIBERALS simply are no longer relevant.
Actually, they are. Occupy Wall Street is an example of where these people are and how relevant they can be. As the plutocracy continues to fleece the American people, the interest in liberalism will naturally resurge. I predict a swing back to the left within in the next ten years.
Tasine wrote:
"Progressives" with digressive policies and thinking have shoved most of the liberals into the background.
It may seem ironic but the progressive movement was established by Teddy Roosevelt as a way to appease the people who were at the time very annoyed with the extreme forms of capitalism that fostered child labor, intolerable work conditions and economic slavery. There was a lot of injustice to feed liberal movements then which included very strong surges in the socialist and communist parties and the potential for revolution which was already starting to unleash in places like Russia.
What Roosevelt did was he offered the people an alternate route of compromises with the existing system. This allowed much of the frustration that would have charged the potential for revolution to be siphoned off into agreements with a Progressive government. There is a very good chance that the reason communism never took over here in the U.S. is that we had the progressive movement which unlike the Russian Monarchy, was willing to compromise with the people.
Today, it can be said that the Democratic Party *is* the party of progressives. Mostly moderates that prefer the idea of working within the current system to establish better laws to protect the people. The Republican party, on the other hand seems to have shaken off all their progressives, probably along with all their old-school conservatives and are now obsessed with putting capital first despite what it might do to the people.
Tasine wrote:
The last good liberal I can speak of was a great man: Senator Patrick Moynihan. I had respect for true liberals, but NONE for progressives and socialists (one and the same.).
Not even... Socialists and progressives sometimes agree on certain issues, but that doesn't make them one and the same. Obama for instance is a progressive but he is NOT a socialist. I have found that many of the people that insist Obama is a socialist, don't even know what socialism is, including Sarah Palin who is about the most retarded bimbo ever to enter politics.
Tasine wrote:
I simply do not know of any liberals today, YOU being the exception, if you are in fact liberal. But I think you are NOT liberal. I think you are a progressive because you seem to think like they do and cannot stand to hear truths, or even ideas different from your own.
How can you claim to be such an expert on liberals then if you don't even know any?
As for me, I explained in my intro, I do not associate myself with any political direction in the absolute sense that people on this forum do, because I think we should be able to change direction depending on where we want to go or what we want to avoid.
Currently, I think our perception of the center is quite a bit to the right of where it was 30 years ago, meaning that what was once considered center is now considered left and I think this shift has allowed the Bush administration to bring extreme politics into play for the first time since Wilson. So in light of my perception of the current state of affairs and what I think needs to be done to protect my family I stand on the side of the liberals. They just make more sense to me. They seem to know more about the real issues.
Finally, don't tell me that I can't stand to hear truths, just because I don't buy everything you say. I have no problem with truth - I just think it should proven and not accepted blindly.
Tasine wrote:
Were you around when Angela Davis was supportive of criminals? If so, you should remember it. I was, and I found her absolutely disgusting and very in-your-face, which is the trademark of the terrorists and traitors back in the '60's.
Yes, well today there is a war on terrorism. There is an entire book of laws called the PATRIOT ACT that explains how terrorists will not be given the same due process that had previously been guaranteed by our Constitution to be extended to everyone, including mass murderers. So maybe calling anyone with a political view different than your own a terrorist is little excessive.
Tasine wrote:
They disgusted me then, and they disgust me now. They are the same people they were then, merely have changed their method of attacking civilization....and they dress better, and hopefully smell better now.
Yeah, that sounds like a personal problem.