Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

"Now the word of the Lord came to me saying,
'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
And before you were born I consecrated you;
I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.'"
Jeremiah 1:5

The words of Jeremiah [the prophet], the son of Hilkiah, of the priests who were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin, to whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah, the son of Amon,king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign. It came also in the days of Jehoiakim, the son of Josiah, king of Judah, until the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah, the son of Josiah, king of Judah, until the exile of Jerusalem in the fifth month.

"Now the word of the Lord came to me saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.'"

"Do not be afraid of them, For I am with you to deliver you," declares the Lord. Then the Lord stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the Lord said to me, "Behold, I have put My words in your mouth." Jeremiah 1:1-5,8-9

"Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not He who weighs the heart perceive it?
Does not He who guards your life now know it? Will He not repay each person according to what he has done?" Proverbs 24:11-12.

Since Roe vs Wade - abortion was legalized, in 1973, fifty five million babies (55,000,000) have perished. That number is 1/6 th of the United States population.

There are 4,000 abortions daily in the United States, almost one and one/half million annually.

Following are excerpts from: Pro Life Answers to Pro Choice Arguments, by Randy Alcorn:

"It is uncertain when human life begins; that is a religious question that cannot be answered by science."

If there is uncertainty about when human life begins, the benefit of the doubt should go to preserving life.
Medical textbooks and scientific reference works consistently agree that human life begins at conception.
Some of the world's most prominent scientists and physicians testified to a U.S. Senate committee that human life begins at conception.
Many other prominent scientists and physicians have likewise affirmed with certainty that human life begins at conception.


"The fetus is just a part of the pregnant woman's body, like her tonsils or appendix."

A body part is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of its body; the unborn's genetic code, his/her DNA differs from the mother's.
The child may die, and the mother live, or the mother may die, and the child live, proving they are two separate individuals.
The unborn child takes an active role in his own development, controlling the course of the pregnancy, and the time of birth.
Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.
Human beings should not be discriminated against because of their place of residence.


"Every woman has the right to choose. It would be unfair to restrict a woman's choice by prohibiting abortion."

Any civilized society restricts the individual's freedom to choose whenever that choice would harm an innocent person.
"Freedom to choose" is too vague for meaningful discussion; we must always ask, "Freedom to choose what?"
People who are pro-choice about abortion are often not pro-choice about other issues with less at stake.
The one-time choice of abortion robs someone else of a life-time of choices and prevents him from ever exercising his rights.
Everyone is pro-choice when it comes to the choices prior to pregnancy and after birth.
Nearly all violations of human rights have been defended on the grounds of the right to choose.


"Every woman should have control over her own body. Reproductive freedom is a basic right."

Abortion assures that 750,000 females each year do not have control over their bodies.
Not all things done with a person's body are right, nor should they all be legally protected.
Pro-lifers consistently affirm true reproductive rights.
Even pro-choicers must acknowledge that the "right to control one's body" argument has no validity if the unborn is a human being.
Too often "the right to control my life" becomes the right to hurt and oppress others for my own advantage.
Control over the body can be exercised to prevent pregnancy in the first place.
It is demeaning to a woman's body and self-esteem to regard pregnancy as an unnatural, negative, and "out-of-control" condition.


A picture of a 6 week old human embryo

In the human embryo, the heart begins beating between the 18th and 25th day. The foundation of the entire nervous system is complete by 3 weeks. At 6 weeks, the skeleton is complete and reflexes are present. Electrical brain waves are recorded at 6 weeks. The brain and all the body systems are present by 8 weeks. The photo of a 6 week old human embryo, shown below actual size, was taken after surgery for an unruptured ectopic pregnancy, at the University of Minnesota by a medical photographer in 1972.

rob2

Hello everyone. Please allow me to introduce muself as I am brand new here. My name is Rob2, and I look forward to speaking with you from time to time. I have very strong beliefs on most issues, but I am normally rather reserved about expressing them, for various reasons. I am not shy, but I like to know not only what some one thinks before I wade in on a topic, but most importantly how or why they think it. This was my first newsletter tonight, and this was the first article I selected to read. I then began to read the conversation taking place, and I would like to offer not just my opinion, but why I have the opinion that I do. I refuse to just wade into mindless arguments, where people just speak talking points, without being able to explain how that view is beneficial to all of us.

Let me start by saying the issue of abortion, never fails to bring out ideological passions in people, and consequently abortion is one of the most divisive issues of our time. We have truly become so enmeshed in our labels of left and right, we have ceased to think for ourselves, indeed we tend to just adopt whatever idea or opinion "My side" takes. Few can explain underlying principles or the overall philosophy of their "label". In addition, we humans, the only species on the planet who possesses the knowledge of deception, manipulation, coercion, etc, employ these as tactics in order to prevail in arguments that we cannot win on the merits alone.

I have one simple rule for myself, and that is for me to believe something, it

Our system of law through the years has slowly become a confusing morass of frequently contradictory laws that simply put, just don't make any sense.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Rob2: You make perfect sense! I have a problem with government trying to regulate morality...especially when the Tort system took morality out of law years ago! You can't stop a women from going into the alley with a coat hanger and killing an unborn child....but you can sure legislate its legality through activist Judges......who even admit its bad law! When you look at the ideology toward abortion that our current POTUS has......its absoleuty amazing how he was elected and reelected! We as a Nation we are sloughing toward Gomorrah. As our second President put it so distinctly; “We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with the human passions, unbridled be morality and true religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people, It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Cheers!

cherryhog

Vernon, I'm not sure who you meant that for but being it included the word communist which conservatives use anytime someone don't agree with them. I assume it was meant for me. All I can say is you better go buy another gun fast before Obama passes background checks.

dbleach3

Dude, do we know why people commit murder, rape, assualt people etc? Do You "progressives" really think you can BS us with BS like that

rob2

The question is, why are they lying? It's obvious that it is to make us think one thing, to distract us, while they do another, that they know we would riot in the streets if we knew their true agenda. Whatever it is, and I think I know what, it must be stopped by all of us.

rob2

That whole "back alley abortion" thing is just a fear inducing tactic so we'll be so scared of Mothers lying dead in in the alley's and streets, that we won't dare make abortions illegal. If they are so dangerous, then maybe just maybe the lightbulbs will light up inside the dimwits heads, and they'll think twice before being stupid enough to get an unwanted pregnancy in the first place. Somewhere along the line certain people have come to believe that they don't have to experience negative consequences resulting from negative irresponsible behaviors. Consequences, good and bad, are the very best teacher any of us have ever had. Accepting personal responsibility is the key. I cannot believe people can look at those pictures posted here of those horribly disfigured babies, and still support abortion. What have we become?

rob2

Hey, thanks for your comments. Always nice to meet kindred spirits. Would like to ad you to my buddy list if that's ok, and I can figure out how.

The only thing I might add to your comments is we have to realize that all these issues fall under one big master plan, and they are quite content to see us lost in the high weeds focusing on the sideshows while they institute the necessary control infrastructure to turn this country into something we would not recognize as the America we know today. We have to take bac control of this ship, as our founders warned us to be prepared to do. Time to vote em all out, and send a message bullsh will not be tolerated, and that's just for starters.

Hey are you a pilot?

rob2

No, if you pass a law against something, it doesn't matter why would someone do such a thing. The law is passed based on why you SHOULDN'T do such a thing. You don't pass a law making murder a crime because of why people do it. You pass it because it's wrong to take another's life, and it's still a crime no matter why you did it.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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I think murder of innocents is unconstitutional. Doesn't everyone? Are has the world become so coarse, so crude, so malignant that it is suddenly all right that to satisfy a woman, we must let her murder her baby? Needlessly?

What if: she didn't screw around during her most likely time of the month to get pregnant? she took responsibility for her actions? she had control over her own body? she waited until she was ready for a baby to screw around?

I really would appreciate an answer as I clearly answered YOURS.

PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

I have no solid answer to that, however I observe that we have gotten to a point where human life is less valuable, morals have degraded, religions spat on, lack of belief giving people an overwhelming sense of superiority to those who believe. religions have set the bar for morals since before recorded time. now these morals have faded and the world is becoming a more crazy place with laws, laws and more laws, defeating all need for morals, life has become an object, a burden, for those who make foolish mistakes.

**UPDATE
while I was writing this, I checked facebook and saw a post where someones friend who they went to elementary school with killed herself because her family and church would not allow her to get an abortion.

I am compelled to tell you that I am torn on this subject, the world is full of evil, It is when these conflicting things come into play I have no thoughts. I can no longer choose a side, on one hand we have a family and a church practically making a young girl kill herself over keeping a baby, on the other we have her foolish decision to have sex at a young age.
now they are both dead.

when death comes into play like this I stop thinking, it is a defense mechanism, I cannot think. I, the self proclaimed "philosophy man" cannot think. I love thinking, now every time I try to have an opinion on this issue my brain gets fuzzy, I will go no further on this topic. I might start ranting about who knows what.

upon revisiting I have come to the conclusion that abortion is wrong, not because it is ungodly, but because that fetus could have defined history, it could have been the next gahndi, or it could have been the next hitler.
I actually believe in the butterfly effect, whether or not that unborn fetus would have been born to be a historical person, he/she would have made an impact on countless lives in his/her lifetime, same with the now dead mother, she could have grown up and touched many lives, she could have made a huge difference in this world.
now she is dead.
this would make most cast blame on the church, that is the logical thing to do.
however it was not the churches intention for her to kill herself, though it may seem that way, considering they would have dis-honed her if she did have the abortion. you could argue that it was her fault for making the decision to have sex, to me that opinion is so morally radical that it is morally wrong, of course that doesn't make any sense but due to her unfortunate death, all moral sense got thrown out of the window for me.
This is a very hot topic, I will revisit it, however I am extremely tired and need sleep good night.

Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City

The thing I don't understand is why does she not avail herself of free contraceptives. Maybe even buy them ad about $6 per month. Then the poor girl doesn't have to worry about her time of the month.

vernon

i have a problem about the girl that killed herself because her parents wouldent let her have an abortion.i think she could get one on her own hell even the schools cover for girls in trouble

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

And therein lies one of our biggest problems with a malignant society. No school should be able to override parents unless they are molesting, damaging their child. Do you really, truly believe the schools take greater interest in children than the parents do when it comes to morality and proper bringing up. What do you think makes a parent insist on certain behaviors from their children?

Were I the parent what would I have done? I'd have advised against it, but if she insisted and found someone to foot the bill, I'd not have stopped her. I wouldn't consider her a minor, and I would have found her a place to live rather than with me. That is what I THINK I would do. I've never been in that position, and I don't run around with people like her or her parents.

vernon

[quote=Tasine]And therein lies one of our biggest problems with a malignant society. No school should be able to override parents unless they are molesting, damaging their child. Do you really, truly believe the schools take greater interest in children than the parents do when it comes to morality and proper bringing up. What do you think makes a parent insist on certain behaviors from their children?

Were I the parent what would I have done? I'd have advised against it, but if she insisted and found someone to foot the bill, I'd not have stopped her. I wouldn't consider her a minor, and I would have found her a place to live rather than with me. That is what I THINK I would do. I've never been in that position, and I don't run around with people like her or her parents.[/quo

our problems stem from the carter education dept it has destroyed just about every thig important to our life.