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Sep 27, 2016 07:32:57   #
son of witless
 
Big dog wrote:
If Soros was an American, there would be no U.S.A.


Hillary and Obama are owned by billionaires.

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Sep 27, 2016 08:56:10   #
Big dog
 
son of witless wrote:
Hillary and Obama are owned by billionaires.


That's a fact !!!!!!

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Sep 27, 2016 14:05:03   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
son of witless wrote:
I apologize for the length of this post. I dislike reading long ramblings and assume others also do, but I was unable to condense my thoughts.

I am sorry for misinterpreting your comments. You and I will never see the issues the same, but I will say you are the only one on your side who is capable of intelligent discourse with one such as myself on the right.

I did not think you meant to silence me. I will pick an argument with anyone on OPP because my inner troll loves the battle, but my ego is not so fragile that I will pester continually when I am ignored. Many on your side including some very close college educated relations have sought to correct my speech. Now I understand that some speech is offensive, but the speech correction has gone far beyond that. I have concluded that it is far better to be offensive than to have my ideas silenced. I will therefore put up with quite a bit of disrespect from lefties because I like to think I allow them the same free speech I demand.

I see my arguments regarding the degrading of the Second Amendment were not as strong as I had hoped. Let me see if I can do it better. What we have is a war of incrementalism. Again I see many parallels between your battle for Gay Rights and the battle to preserve gun rights. You guys won incremental battles and suddenly our side woke up to Gay Marriage and intergender restrooms. It was a hell of a shock for us.

Hillary and her allies will not attack firearms directly. They will start with assault weapons and work down. Then you have the battles in the provincial areas. I mean liberal cities like DC and Chicago. The restrictions there fly in the face of the Constitution. My side will challenge those restrictions all the way up to the Supreme Court. Once Hillary's new Justices slap those challenges down it will be far easier for other local and state entities to restrict gun rights.

When enough local areas have unchallenged gun restrictions, support for gun rights will erode and then a National Gun Ban becomes possible and very likely.
I apologize for the length of this post. I dislike... (show quote)




LBOH -I truly appreciate your measured and logical response, even if I may disagree with many parts of your post. I will respond in detail later, but I wanted you to shout out to you before too much time passed. This could be the kind of debate I truly find beneficial. Thanks again.

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Sep 27, 2016 15:50:59   #
moldyoldy
 
son of witless wrote:
Hillary and Obama are owned by billionaires.


You can not run without billionaires money, the way the system is set up now.

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Sep 27, 2016 17:42:36   #
son of witless
 
PaulPisces wrote:
LBOH -I truly appreciate your measured and logical response, even if I may disagree with many parts of your post. I will respond in detail later, but I wanted you to shout out to you before too much time passed. This could be the kind of debate I truly find beneficial. Thanks again.



I expect as we get closer to November and we have more TV debates that the posts on OPP will get more entertaining.
This is the first time I have ever reached an accord with somebody on your side on this board. Whenever I have stopped throwing rocks and tried to be civil, I have always regretted it. Agreeing to disagree with out being disagreeable is new to me and forgive me if I slip now and then. Do not expect me to be persuaded as I do not expect you to give anything away to me, but I hope the dialogue will be useful to both of us. It is good to find intelligent life on the other side of the great divide. I hope to be able to hold up my end of the conversations.

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Sep 27, 2016 18:02:53   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Not alone, blade.....

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Sep 27, 2016 18:41:55   #
Big dog
 
son of witless wrote:
I expect as we get closer to November and we have more TV debates that the posts on OPP will get more entertaining.
This is the first time I have ever reached an accord with somebody on your side on this board. Whenever I have stopped throwing rocks and tried to be civil, I have always regretted it. Agreeing to disagree with out being disagreeable is new to me and forgive me if I slip now and then. Do not expect me to be persuaded as I do not expect you to give anything away to me, but I hope the dialogue will be useful to both of us. It is good to find intelligent life on the other side of the great divide. I hope to be able to hold up my end of the conversations.
I expect as we get closer to November and we have ... (show quote)


Discretion is the better part of valour.

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Sep 27, 2016 20:06:43   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
zillaorange wrote:
Washington said, "you won't need your guns, until they come to take them away" !!!


And~~~When Washington made his first State of the Union address he said, "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined."......

And of course this one that has been challenged as not being said by Washington, but left in dispute if true or not....
"When government takes away citizens’ right to bear arms it becomes citizens’ duty to take away government’s right to govern."

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Sep 27, 2016 20:15:56   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
zillaorange wrote:
top o' the mornin' lindajoy ! lets keep this simple, militia n. a citizen army, liable to be called out in an emergency. well regulated, under control !


Likely correct, but let's pray not..
Keep it simple is right, zilla!!!!!

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Sep 27, 2016 22:02:05   #
Big dog
 
lindajoy wrote:
Likely correct, but let's pray not..
Keep it simple is right, zilla!!!!!


Bear arms, make ammo, practice, get good, be ready. The time is at hand !

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Sep 27, 2016 23:06:32   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Big dog wrote:
Bear arms, make ammo, practice, get good, be ready. The time is at hand !


I'll do so if needed, I buy mine, practicing just the other day..Different envirnoment though..I wasn't in a closed in room practicing I was free outside, in the woods, where you could really practice...Move n shoot, more difficult to hit your target, yet invigorating when you did...

Thank You for your advice too..

I do pray that time does not come, it will not benefit anyone and the last thing We need is civil unrest...We have enough of that right now, which has brought us to the breaking point...

Unite in the face of it is what we need to do...While we recognise that, it is becoming more difficult to hold in belief...

Then too, we must ask, who is the enemy?? I mean the real enemy???

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Sep 27, 2016 23:43:06   #
Big dog
 
lindajoy wrote:
I'll do so if needed, I buy mine, practicing just the other day..Different envirnoment though..I wasn't in a closed in room practicing I was free outside, in the woods, where you could really practice...Move n shoot, more difficult to hit your target, yet invigorating when you did...

Thank You for your advice too..

I do pray that time does not come, it will not benefit anyone and the last thing We need is civil unrest...We have enough of that right now, which has brought us to the breaking point...

Unite in the face of it is what we need to do...While we recognise that, it is becoming more difficult to hold in belief...

Then too, we must ask, who is the enemy?? I mean the real enemy???
I'll do so if needed, I buy mine, practicing just... (show quote)


I can pray and believe we have a chance. I believe, just as you do. We may overcome this point in the history of Man. But the struggle to to do so will be left up to the those of us ready to do so.
Who is the enemy ?.. " I have met the enemy, and it is us.

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Sep 28, 2016 00:02:40   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Big dog wrote:
I can pray and believe we have a chance. I believe, just as you do. We may overcome this point in the history of Man. But the struggle to to do so will be left up to the those of us ready to do so.
Who is the enemy ?.. " I have met the enemy, and it is us.


Riiiiiggghhhttt YOU are!!!
Exactly our point isn't it??

Do we reign more or less?
Do we rise against each other and if so, who is left later??? More so, motivated by whom, does it not achieve their objective in the end anyway???

This point in history may well define "man" as never known before...Perhaps
it's purpose in the larger scheme of "future" itself......

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Sep 28, 2016 00:26:50   #
Big dog
 
lindajoy wrote:
Riiiiiggghhhttt YOU are!!!
Exactly our point isn't it??

Do we reign more or less?
Do we rise against each other and if so, who is left later??? More so, motivated by whom, does it not achieve their objective in the end anyway???

This point in history may well define "man" as never known before...Perhaps
it's purpose in the larger scheme of "future" itself......

As was with the dinosaurs, some Will Survive. But who. Politicians ?
Carpenters? Fishermen ? Soldiers ?... The meek, the wise, the humble?
Go with Darwain's theory. Just a thought.

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Sep 28, 2016 08:20:19   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Big dog wrote:
As was with the dinosaurs, some Will Survive. But who. Politicians ?
Carpenters? Fishermen ? Soldiers ?... The meek, the wise, the humble?
Go with Darwain's theory. Just a thought.


Won't know until it's over...

I think we live Darwins' theory now...Nature of the beast....it's what we do in the process that makes or breaks us...

One thing is sure, by the natural process itself we are advanced...Goal, drive, achievement, right and wrong etc..it's all in how we live it that defines us...
Tolerance and patience by fluidity...

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