Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

James Elmer Posts On Sept 25, 2016:

If you need one more reason to vote for Donald Trump, well here it is. Barack Obama has a plan for America and it does not end with his Presidency. Hillary will be his toy. You can bet that this is just one more way to enrich their mob. Donald Trump has his flaws but I truly believe he loves America and does not want to destroy it. Make it a Muslim country, take away our rights. You may think I am crazy but just take a day or two and read as much as you can about what is going on. I have done that and it is hard to believe what I read. We are being to preoccupied with our enjoyment and are being apathetic. I truly get the feeling that people could care less who wins. Not my problem. My problem is the sand trap in front of hole six. The next vacation, Just have as much fun as possible and to hell with everything else. That is what I see. Just what happens to this country if we no longer have the power to control our own lead supply for ammunition? What don't you get about that? This is treason in disguise. I have been to this lead plant in Missouri. They do try to be safe at producing something we just can't do without. I expect no responses as normal.

UNBELIEVEABLE!! Our 2nd amendment rights have just been severely limited thru back door/under the cover regulations. PLEASE FORWARD; everyone needs to be aware of this……

Lead Plant in MO closing

Obama administration, what a piece of work...if he can't get it one way he'll find another and no one is smart enough to stop him.

"Doe Run" closing its doors

THIS SHOULD SCARE YOU ENOUGH TO PASS IT ALONG TO THOSE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.

The Doe Run Lead plant is in Missouri and Yes, it is closing due to over regulated EPA rulings. Save your lead!!

All you can do is shake your head.......

All lead for bullets will have to come from overseas! This move will also make the cost 100 LL (100 low lead aviation fuel) UNAFFORDABLE. Approximately 2 g of lead is added to each gallon of aviation fuel!

There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here's one of them.

Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can't get ammo, you are out of luck.

Remember when Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes?

Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more.

And ponder this. There is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration.

So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done.

With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.

Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.

The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn't stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.

The military's obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It's as Chris Muir said, he's not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I'm right there with him on that one.

So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. Obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it's our move.


You can Google this if you don't believe it, or read this article:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-EPA-closure-of-EPA Closure of Last Lead Smelting Plant to Impact ...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is not content to infringe on property rights; recent actions taken against the country's last lead smelting facility will ...

In forcing the country's last lead smelting plant to close, the Environmental Protection Agency is making a severe impact on the manufacture of ammunition. By Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.

Long term what this means: Your investment in ammo may be your best investment. Guns will be plentiful but ammo will be another story. How does $3.75 a round (that's for one bullet) for a 9mm work for you? Box of 50 would only cost you $187.50

Do we have a great dictator, sorry president or not? He hates America.

"Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil, it has no point!"

EL Loc: Massachusetts

I don't think anyone really knows about this. I just forwarded it to a neighbor who belongs to a gun club.
I've disliked a few presidents but this one I hate. I think he's the only person I've ever hated. He's ruined, totally ruined our country. He was allowed to do it by all those we've elected to represent us. They all need to go.

maureenthannon

I understand why every one is so upset about our government trying to do away with 2nd Amendment, after all, didn't Hitler, Stalin, Mao & the other de3spots took control of "their" countries. What really concerns me is the possibility of loosing the 1st Amendment. Under Obama, only armed forces members serving in war are being denied the right to freely express their faith(except, ofcourse,Islam). It seems that, for Hillary, every American has to give up their religious convictions and opinions. GOD BLESS AMERICA, and let us bless and thank God while we still can. Let's PRAY while we can.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Rumor Check: Did Obama Close a Lead Plant in Order to Enact ‘Backdoor’ Gun Control?
Dec. 2, 2013 3:15pm Becket Adams
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Did the White House shutter the country’s last primary lead smelting plant in Herculaneum, Mo., in a sneaky attempt by to enact “backdoor” gun control and quietly take aim at the gun industry as some people, including former Rep. Allen West, have suggested?

The short answer: Not exactly.

But as is the case with many of these “fact check” stories, this requires some explanation. So let’s start at the beginning.
The Closed Missouri Facility

The Doe Run Company’s primary lead smelting facility in Herculaneum, Mo., which has been in operation since 1892, will close its doors by the end of 2013, according to a report in The Southern Illinoisan, which was published in November but has gained new life recently.
Fact Check: Did Obama Close a Lead Plant in Order to Enact Backdoor Gun Control?



The company said in a statement on its website that it decided to close the facility it would cost too much to install the “pollution control technologies” required to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as mandated by the Clean Air Act.

Another shot at the gun industry from the Obama administration, right?

Well, not really. It’s important to note that the Doe Run Company has been battling the EPA since at least 2003 and that the particular regulation cited by the company as the reason for the closure is from 2008 — before Barack Obama was even inaugurated.

Doe Run had originally planned to build a new lead processing plant that would have employed the newer, cleaner tech, but later decided that the $100 million required for the project was too much to risk. The company will keep roughly 75 of 145 employees on hand through 2014 to help prepare the property for “closure and repurposing,” the company said.

But after that, the final layoff tally will be about 145 Doe Run employees and 75 contractors.

“We have a very talented workforce and encourage businesses looking for dedicated, hardworking and skilled employees to contact us,” Gary Hughes, general manager of the smelter, said in the statement, adding that the company has been working to help employees prepare for the transition.
How Does This Affect Ammo?

Seeing as how the Herculaneum facility, which Doe Run announced it would close in 2010, is the last primary lead smelter in the United States, the planned closure has raised a few alarms.

After all, if this is the last smelter of its kind, who will make our ammunition? Will this closure, West suggested in a blog post Sunday, lead to a shortage of ammunition?

It does not appear that way.

Companies like Doe Run will continue to manufacture the lead used in ammunition because most ammunition in the United States is made from recycled lead that comes from secondary smelters.

“[T]he majority of the lead used by ammunition manufacturers comes from secondary smelters that recycle lead from car batteries,” Bob Owens of Bearing Arms wrote.

Doe Run has a secondary smelter facility in southern Missouri.
Fact Check: Did Obama Close a Lead Plant in Order to Enact Backdoor Gun Control?

“The Doe Run Company produces high purity lead metal and alloys including 1-ton lead blocks, 100-pound lead ingots and 6-pound ingots, also known as pigs,” the company’s website states (Image source: Doe Run Company)

“More than 80 percent of all lead produced in the U.S. is used in either motive batteries to start vehicles, or in stationary batteries for backup power,” the company states on its website. “In the U.S., the recycle rate of these batteries is approximately 98 percent, making lead-based batteries the most highly recycled consumer product. These batteries are recycled at secondary lead smelters. We own such a smelter in southern Missouri.”

“Lead is used in numerous other products, including ammunition and construction materials, as well as to protect against radiation in medical and military applications. While most applications can use secondary lead, those applications that require primary lead will need to import the lead metal in the future,” the company said, adding this would only occur if demand rises above what can be provided through secondary smelters, which, according to numerous ammunition manufacturers, seems highly unlikely.
Ammo Manufactures Have Their Say

The Sierra Bullet Company said recently that it’s not worried about the Doe Run closure.

“Sierra uses no primary lead at all and never has, so we use nothing directly from this facility,” the company said in a statement on its website. “[W]e do not see any reason for alarm. We expect our supply to continue and keep feeding our production lines which are still running 24 hours per day to return our inventory levels to where they should be.”

“No impact upon any cast bullet manufacturing operation whatever. We do not use virgin lead, which is what Doe Run provided,” Brad Alpert, operations manager for the Missouri Bullet Company, told TheBlaze in an email. “We use foundry alloy from major foundries derived from scrap sources, purified and cleaned to purity.”
Fact Check: Did Obama Close a Lead Plant in Order to Enact Backdoor Gun Control?

“Employees wear protective gear to keep themselves safe as they work to produce lead metals and alloys critical to modern society,” the company’s site reads. (Image source: Doe Run Company)

“The jacketed bullets companies (Winchester, Remington, Federal, et al.) use the same sources that we do,” Alpert wrote.

Steve Weliver of Cape Fear Arsenal added in an email to TheBlaze: “We have not begun production at rates that this will impact.”

“At this time we do not anticipate any additional strain on our ability to obtain lead,” Tim Brandt of ATK, the parent company of Federal Premium, CCI, and Speer ammunition, said in reference to the Herculaneum closure in a company FAQ.

Roughly 80 percent of “lead used in the United States secondary market (which is what most ammunition manufacturers use) comes from recycled batteries and another 7 percent to 9 percent of lead on the market comes from other scrap sources,” Owens reported, citing Daniel Hill, Operations Manager at Mayco Industries. “Only 10 percent of the lead in the U.S. comes from mining.”

Simply put, the shuttering of the Herculaneum facility could have an impact as far as demand for primary lead is concerned — but it’s questionable whether that will affect the ammunition market. The lead used in ammunition will still be available and it would seem like a stretch to say that the EPA forcing a Missouri plant to shut down is a “back door” ploy to enact stricter gun control.
Bottom Line

President Obama had little, if anything, to do with the longstanding battle between the EPA and the Doe Run Company. Further, if one is to take ammunition manufactures at their word, it does not appear that the Herculaneum closure will have any affect on the availability of ammunition in the United States.

Now it could be that the Obama administration is cheering the closure of the facility and the possible message it sends. But that’s a maybe. And since many are saying it won’t affect the gun industry, it’s hard to know what message that would be. In short, there is too much that we don’t know.

“Could the lack of primary lead create a little more demand for recycled lead? Sure, but how much is unknown,” the Sierra Bullet Company said on its website. “Could this increase in demand also create an increase in price? Sure, but again, by how much is unknown at this time.”

So where did West get his information? The post that appears on West’s site is based almost entirely on an article from a site called noisyroom.net. The West post originally appeared without attribution to noisyroom.net.

West’s staff later updated his site to include citation to the original blog, telling TheBlaze in an email that the “omission of attribution” was an editorial mistake.

TheBlaze contacted the author of the original article, Terresa Monroe-Hamilton, and she confirmed that portions of her article were used without her knowledge. However, she said in an email that West’s staff apologized to her for the oversight, adding that the apology was “sufficient and gracious.”

As for where Monroe-Hamilton got her information, she clarified “the piece was more my opinion than anything else.”

Michele Hickford, the editor in chief of West’s site, responded to an inquiry from TheBlaze in an email: “Per Terresa’s [Monroe-Hamilton] POV the fact is the plant didn’t close under Bush, it is closing under Obama. Allen believes that closing this plant and others will set precedent and is intended to lead to gun control and infringement of the Second Amendment.”

Hickford added: “There’s just too much ‘coincidence’ with all these events.”

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Big dog

Kevyn

The amount of lead in five gallons of Avgas costs less than one cent, if your horrible prediction comes true and the price of lead doubles, which it of course won't Avgas would increase in price by less than a penny a gallon. At the five bucks a gallon small aircraft pilots are paying now, A hundred dollar fill up of a small plane would skyrocket to a hundred dollars and four cents. A similar increase in lead costs would drive the cost of a box of 50 rounds of 38 special revolver ammunition from eighteen to eighteen seventy. Where on earth did you come up with $3.75 a round?

Big dog

It's still back door gun control.

EL Loc: Massachusetts

Taxes!

Big dog

Trying to stop the revolution before it starts.

Ricktloml

The media in this country has special protections so they can inform the public and hold the powerful accountable. Look around and see what happens when the media collaborates with a power hungry political party. There will always be some apathy, but the rank ignorance of the American public has reached dangerous levels. We now have propaganda, not news. That is shocking when you consider the vast amount of information available. There should be some way to hold the media accountable

Big dog

The internet was there for just that reason x WAS !!!

maureenthannon

Thomas Jefferson said that we won't need the second amndment until some one tries to take it away. They're trypng right now.

Big dog

Trying, but there are a hundred million gun owners in OUR Nation.
Locked and loaded !!