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Aug 28, 2016 11:35:27   #
Morgan
 
Singularity wrote:
The Real Face Of Jesus
Advances in forensic science reveal the most famous face in history.

By Mike Fillon
Jan 23, 2015
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From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes. Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast.

On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered.

There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

THE BODY AS EVIDENCE
An outgrowth of physical anthropology, forensic anthropology uses cultural and archeological data as well as the physical and biological sciences to study different groups of people, explains A. Midori Albert, a professor who teaches forensic anthropology at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. Experts in this highly specialized field require a working knowledge of genetics, and human growth and development. In their research they also draw from the fields of primatology, paleoanthropology (the study of primate and human evolution) and human osteology (the study of the skeleton). Even seemingly distant fields like nutrition, dentistry and climate adaptation play a role in this type of investigation.

While forensic anthropology is usually used to solve crimes, Richard Neave, a medical artist retired from The University of Manchester in England, realized it also could shed light on the appearance of Jesus. The co-author of Making Faces: Using Forensic And Archaeological Evidence, Neave had ventured in controversial areas before. Over the past two decades, he had reconstructed dozens of famous faces, including Philip II of Macedonia, the father of Alexander the Great, and King Midas of Phrygia. If anyone could create an accurate portrait of Jesus, it would be Neave.

RECONSTRUCTING JESUS
Matthew's description of the events in Gethsemane offers an obvious clue to the face of Jesus. It is clear that his features were typical of Galilean Semites of his era. And so the first step for Neave and his research team was to acquire skulls from near Jerusalem, the region where Jesus lived and preached. Semite skulls of this type had previously been found by Israeli archeology experts, who shared them with Neave.

With three well-preserved specimens from the time of Jesus in hand, Neave used computerized tomography to create X-ray "slices" of the skulls, thus revealing minute details about each one's structure. Special computer programs then evaluated reams of information about known measurements of the thickness of soft tissue at key areas on human faces. This made it possible to re-create the muscles and skin overlying a representative Semite skull.

The entire process was accomplished using software that verified the results with anthropological data. From this data, the researchers built a digital 3D reconstruction of the face. Next, they created a cast of the skull. Layers of clay matching the thickness of facial tissues specified by the computer program were then applied, along with simulated skin. The nose, lips and eyelids were then modeled to follow the shape determined by the underlying muscles.

A MATTER OF STYLE
Two key factors could not be determined from the skull—Jesus's hair and coloration. To fill in these parts of the picture, Neave's team turned to drawings found at various archeological sites, dated to the first century. Drawn before the Bible was compiled, they held crucial clues that enabled the researchers to determine that Jesus had dark rather than light-colored eyes. They also pointed out that in keeping with Jewish tradition, he was bearded as well.

It was the Bible, however, that resolved the question of the length of Jesus's hair. While most religious artists have put long hair on Christ, most biblical scholars believe that it was probably short with tight curls. This assumption, however, contradicted what many believe to be the most authentic depiction: the face seen in the image on the famous—some say infamous—Shroud of Turin. The shroud is believed by many to be the cloth in which Jesus's body was wrapped after his death. Although there is a difference of opinion as to whether the shroud is genuine, it clearly depicts a figure with long hair. Those who criticize the shroud's legitimacy point to 1 Corinthians, one of the many New Testament books the apostle Paul is credited with writing. In one chapter he mentions having seen Jesus—then later describes long hair on a man as disgraceful. Would Paul have written "If a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him" if Jesus Christ had had long hair? For Neave and his team this settled the issue. Jesus, as drawings from the first century depict, would have had short hair, appropriate to men of the time.


The historic record also resolved the issue of Jesus's height. From an analysis of skeletal remains, archeologists had firmly established that the average build of a Semite male at the time of Jesus was 5 ft. 1 in., with an average weight of about 110 pounds. Since Jesus worked outdoors as a carpenter until he was about 30 years old, it is reasonable to assume he was more muscular and physically fit than westernized portraits suggest. His face was probably weather-beaten, which would have made him appear older, as well.

Computer models (left) and modeling clay enable Neave (right) to create a forensically acceptable facial reconstruction.

AN ACCURATE PORTRAIT
For those accustomed to traditional Sunday school portraits of Jesus, the sculpture of the dark and swarthy Middle Eastern man that emerges from Neave's laboratory is a reminder of the roots of their faith. "The fact that he probably looked a great deal more like a darker-skinned Semite than westerners are used to seeing him pictured is a reminder of his universality," says Charles D. Hackett, director of Episcopal studies at the Candler School of Theology in Atlanta. "And [it is] a reminder of our tendency to sinfully appropriate him in the service of our cultural values."

Neave emphasizes that his re-creation is simply that of an adult man who lived in the same place and at the same time as Jesus. As might well be expected, not everyone agrees.

Forensic depictions are not an exact science, cautions Alison Galloway, professor of anthropology at the University of California in Santa Cruz. The details in a face follow the soft tissue above the muscle, and it is here where forensic artists differ widely in technique. Galloway points out that some artists pay more attention to the subtle differences in such details as the distance between the bottom of the nose and the mouth. And the most recognizable features of the face—the folds of the eyes, structure of the nose and shape of the mouth—are left to the artist. "In some cases the resemblance between the reconstruction and the actual individual can be uncanny," says Galloway. "But in others there may be more resemblance with the other work of the same artist." Despite this reservation, she reaches one conclusion that is inescapable to almost everyone who has ever seen Neave's Jesus. "This is probably a lot closer to the truth than the work of many great masters."
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If one is truly not prejudice this picture wouldn't be offensive or a problem.

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Aug 28, 2016 11:51:56   #
Morgan
 
tommymore wrote:
When my daughter was six, I took her to the wide empty courtyard of a public school in our neighborhood to teach her how to ride a bike on only two wheels. Shortly after we got there some boys maybe two years older than my daughter showed up on their bikes and started making comments about her riding. She started to cry. Killing those boys was on the table for a brief period. Not really, but I was furious. I got my daughter off her bike and walked over to one of the boys. He stopped and I said, "Hey, it was probably hard at first for you to go two wheels, can you help my daughter?" All three were suddenly both helpful and encouraging. I call this the Third Option because so much of our culture is now either confrontational or dismissive.
When my daughter was six, I took her to the wide e... (show quote)




A beautiful analogy and example of the most worthy choice. If more could only stop and make a more conscious effort than emotionally reacting as you had done.

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Aug 28, 2016 12:04:37   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
When dealing with children, absolutely. Not adults , who are the point of this thread.
When children are taught such examples it opens their eyes and helps complete them.
The person of interest in this thread is far from childhood and left un-checked will
continue to spew his bile on an open forum when people are here to exchange ideas.
Not aide and abet the site antagonist.
I agree with his handling of children of course. It was the way I was raised.
On the other hand when it came to adults, my father was the Guardian of the Gates.
No fowl minded person could pass.
Just savin.


Morgan wrote:
A beautiful analogy and example of the most worthy choice. If more could only stop and make a more conscious effort than emotionally reacting as you had done.

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Aug 28, 2016 13:18:59   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Wow, I butchered this one. Sorry about the typo's.
Hope this copy helps.

missinglink wrote:
When dealing with children, absolutely. Not adults , who are the point of this thread.
When children are taught such examples it opens their eyes and helps complete them.
The person of interest in this thread is far from childhood and left un-checked will
continue to spew his bile on an open forum when people are here to exchange ideas.
Not aide and abet the site antagonist.
I agree with " tommymores" handling of children of course. It was the way I was raised.
On the other hand when it came to adults, my father was the Guardian of the Gates.
No fowl minded person could pass.
Just sayin.
When dealing with children, absolutely. Not adults... (show quote)

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Aug 28, 2016 16:39:37   #
Morgan
 
missinglink wrote:
When dealing with children, absolutely. Not adults , who are the point of this thread.
When children are taught such examples it opens their eyes and helps complete them.
The person of interest in this thread is far from childhood and left un-checked will
continue to spew his bile on an open forum when people are here to exchange ideas.
Not aide and abet the site antagonist.
I agree with his handling of children of course. It was the way I was raised.
On the other hand when it came to adults, my father was the Guardian of the Gates.
No fowl minded person could pass.
Just savin.
When dealing with children, absolutely. Not adults... (show quote)


Where I agree with you for children, it is also for adults. Learning how to communicate is a learned skill, some never learn during their entire life time. In my opinion it should be taught in high school.

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Aug 28, 2016 16:49:44   #
Singularity
 
Morgan wrote:
Where I agree with you for children, it is also for adults. Learning how to communicate is a learned skill, some never learn during their entire life time. In my opinion it should be taught in high school.


Some parts take a lifetime.

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Aug 28, 2016 17:24:26   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Morgan , I spent my entire adult live on the move. Foreign and domestic split pretty much even. This is not strictly an American cultural situation. Not by any stretch or definition.
Homogeneous societies do not have the constant state of cultural intermingling as we,and in that they are fortunate, but boring . There will be arguments . We are not alike. To people I consider being akin to , uppity slights are fighting words . So is moving the goal post just like the low brow original poster of this thread . To these issues I will not parry with words endlessly. A solid wast of time and effort and besides, I know the conclusion. So , I normally give the finger wave and move off.

There will be a point in time were you will do the same when your burning wick has about run its course. The burning wick symbolizing
your patience and or time willing to spend repeating yourself .




Morgan wrote:
Where I agree with you for children, it is also for adults. Learning how to communicate is a learned skill, some never learn during their entire life time. In my opinion it should be taught in high school.

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Aug 28, 2016 17:39:50   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
Where I agree with you for children, it is also for adults. Learning how to communicate is a learned skill, some never learn during their entire life time. In my opinion it should be taught in high school.


Who controls the schools? The Dept. Of Education, and teachers unions, maybe?
One is a government agency, and the other is a major contributer to the Democrat party. So.....you figure it out.

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Aug 28, 2016 18:07:55   #
Cool Breeze
 
Singularity wrote:
no

Ah, oh, SHIT... Ok. Ummm.

thanks.😬💞😶


I've been described as provocative antagonistic and the like. Good! I sincerely hope I can keep up the good work! There is a cabal of racists on OPP. I know every last one of them by name and missing link is one of them. This guy is a POS and that's the bottom line. I respect your opinion and if you reach the conclusion that my post is a bit too controversial I can accept that but not at the word of missing stink and his buds.

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Aug 28, 2016 18:13:03   #
Cool Breeze
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Who's the spook in the robes CoolSpook ?

You...............little...................PUNK !


Why not ask your mom? ....MAGGOT!

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Aug 28, 2016 18:19:32   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Cool Breeze wrote:
I've been described as provocative antagonistic and the like. Good! I sincerely hope I can keep up the good work! There is a cabal of racists on OPP. I know every last one of them by name and missing link is one of them. This guy is a POS and that's the bottom line. I respect your opinion and if you reach the conclusion that my post is a bit too controversial I can accept that but not at the word of missing stink and his buds.


Come on Breezie! We like you around here! The bunch that you cite is no more hateful than you!
Talk to Ben about it.

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Aug 28, 2016 18:19:37   #
Singularity
 
Cool Breeze wrote:
I've been described as provocative antagonistic and the like. Good! I sincerely hope I can keep up the good work! There is a cabal of racists on OPP. I know every last one of them by name and missing link is one of them. This guy is a POS and that's the bottom line. I respect your opinion and if you reach the conclusion that my post is a bit too controversial I can accept that but not at the word of missing stink and his buds.

There is it seems a history here of which I was not aware. Both sides seem to relish the battles, but the war drags on.

My beloved father was a blatant racist, yet truly and honestly did not believe that was so and was hurt when approached on the subject. We have a long way to go towards loving each other instead of gratifying ourselves. If we believe ourselves capable of better, perhaps we shall be. Progress if not perfection.

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Aug 28, 2016 18:19:46   #
Cool Breeze
 
Morgan wrote:
If one is truly not prejudice this picture wouldn't be offensive or a problem.


Some find this thread very offensive. Why? What could be offensive about asking did Jesus die for your sins? Now depicting Jesus as some black guy is something altogether different!

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Aug 28, 2016 18:26:47   #
Cool Breeze
 
Singularity wrote:
There is it seems a history here of which I was not aware. Both sides seem to relish the battles, but the war drags on.

My beloved father was a blatant racist, yet truly and honestly did not believe that was so and was hurt when approached on the subject. We have a long way to go towards loving each other instead of gratifying ourselves. If we believe ourselves capable of better, perhaps we shall be. Progress if not perfection.


All white people aren't racists. I'm not talking about them in my antagonistic posts. Racists and I have diametrically opposed philosophies. Oil and Vinegar do not mix.

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Aug 28, 2016 18:32:43   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Cool Breeze wrote:
Some find this thread very offensive. Why? What could be offensive about asking did Jesus die for your sins? Now depicting Jesus as some black guy is something altogether different!


I didn't see where anybody was offended by your picture. Maybe I missed it. It doesn't matter either way, since none of knows what he looked like.
He died on that cross for our salvation. That's what matters.

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