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Aug 15, 2016 07:59:44   #
Evangel
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-haiti.html?_r=0 Men carrying horns, handwritten signs and bottles of gasoline to set tires on fire, a group of men marched into one of the many protests that have paralyzed parts of the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince, this year.

They were angry with their president, who let Parliament collapse and failed to hold scheduled elections. They were angry with the United Nations for not ensuring a fair vote for his successor. And they were angry with the former American secretary of state who had helped put him in power.

“You see all these people here?” said one of the Haitian-flag-draped protesters, Jean Renold Cenatus, 32, who said he was unemployed. “It’s because of what Mrs. Clinton did five years ago that we are facing this situation.”

In their post-2000 lives as global citizens, Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton have been tied to no country more closely than Haiti. As a United Nations special envoy, Mr. Clinton helped raise hundreds of millions of dollars for the country after its devastating 2010 earthquake. Mrs. Clinton traveled there four times as secretary of state and shepherded billions of dollars in American aid.

They often speak fondly of Haiti, one of the first places they visited as newlyweds in 1975.

“We came here for the first time together, just after we were married, and fell in love with Haiti,” Mrs. Clinton said in 2012, standing near her husband at the opening of a Haitian industrial park she helped to finance. “We have had a deep connection to and with Haiti ever since.”

But as she seeks the world’s most powerful job and Haiti plunges into another political abyss, a loud segment of Haitians and Haitian-Americans is speaking of the Clintons with the same contempt they reserve for some of their past leaders.


Graphic: 2016 Delegate Count and Primary Results
In widely read blogs, in protests in Port-au-Prince and outside Mrs. Clinton’s campaign headquarters in Brooklyn, and on popular call-in radio shows in Florida, where primaries will be held on Tuesday, the Clintons have become prime targets of blame for the country’s woes.

Among the litany of complaints being laid at their feet: Fewer than half the jobs promised at the industrial park, built after 366 farmers were evicted from their lands, have materialized. Many millions of dollars earmarked for relief efforts have yet to be spent. Mrs. Clinton’s brother Tony Rodham has turned up in business ventures on the island, setting off speculation about insider deals.

“A vote for Hillary Clinton means further corruption, further death and destruction for our people,” said Dahoud Andre, a radio show host in New York who has helped organize protests against the Clintons. “It means more Haitians leaving Haiti and not being able to live in our country.”

And now, Michel Martelly, a president whom Mrs. Clinton helped get elected, has turned out to be another in a long line of troubling leaders.

Tony Jeanthenor, 55, a member of the Miami-based Haitian human rights group Veye-Yo as well as Lavalas Family, a Haitian political party, said he was voting for Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont because of the senator’s distaste for involvement in other countries’ affairs.

“Nothing good for Haiti can come out of Hillary because of her past behavior,” Mr. Jeanthenor said.

The dismay over Mrs. Clinton in South Florida’s Haitian community is not likely to affect her fortunes on Tuesday, as she holds a comfortable lead over Mr. Sanders in state polls. Whether it could damage her in a general election is unclear. An estimated 150,000 Haitian-American voters live in Florida, the state where 537 votes decided the 2000 election. But they have also overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, according to Fernand R. Amandi, a principal partner of Bendixen & Amandi International, a public opinion research firm in Miami that has polled Haitian-Americans extensively.

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Aug 15, 2016 08:39:16   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Evangel wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-haiti.html?_r=0 Men carrying horns, handwritten signs and bottles of gasoline to set tires on fire, a group of men marched into one of the many protests that have paralyzed parts of the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince, this year.

They were angry with their president, who let Parliament collapse and failed to hold scheduled elections. They were angry with the United Nations for not ensuring a fair vote for his successor. And they were angry with the former American secretary of state who had helped put him in power.

“You see all these people here?” said one of the Haitian-flag-draped protesters, Jean Renold Cenatus, 32, who said he was unemployed. “It’s because of what Mrs. Clinton did five years ago that we are facing this situation.”

In their post-2000 lives as global citizens, Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton have been tied to no country more closely than Haiti. As a United Nations special envoy, Mr. Clinton helped raise hundreds of millions of dollars for the country after its devastating 2010 earthquake. Mrs. Clinton traveled there four times as secretary of state and shepherded billions of dollars in American aid.

They often speak fondly of Haiti, one of the first places they visited as newlyweds in 1975.

“We came here for the first time together, just after we were married, and fell in love with Haiti,” Mrs. Clinton said in 2012, standing near her husband at the opening of a Haitian industrial park she helped to finance. “We have had a deep connection to and with Haiti ever since.”

But as she seeks the world’s most powerful job and Haiti plunges into another political abyss, a loud segment of Haitians and Haitian-Americans is speaking of the Clintons with the same contempt they reserve for some of their past leaders.


Graphic: 2016 Delegate Count and Primary Results
In widely read blogs, in protests in Port-au-Prince and outside Mrs. Clinton’s campaign headquarters in Brooklyn, and on popular call-in radio shows in Florida, where primaries will be held on Tuesday, the Clintons have become prime targets of blame for the country’s woes.

Among the litany of complaints being laid at their feet: Fewer than half the jobs promised at the industrial park, built after 366 farmers were evicted from their lands, have materialized. Many millions of dollars earmarked for relief efforts have yet to be spent. Mrs. Clinton’s brother Tony Rodham has turned up in business ventures on the island, setting off speculation about insider deals.

“A vote for Hillary Clinton means further corruption, further death and destruction for our people,” said Dahoud Andre, a radio show host in New York who has helped organize protests against the Clintons. “It means more Haitians leaving Haiti and not being able to live in our country.”

And now, Michel Martelly, a president whom Mrs. Clinton helped get elected, has turned out to be another in a long line of troubling leaders.

Tony Jeanthenor, 55, a member of the Miami-based Haitian human rights group Veye-Yo as well as Lavalas Family, a Haitian political party, said he was voting for Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont because of the senator’s distaste for involvement in other countries’ affairs.

“Nothing good for Haiti can come out of Hillary because of her past behavior,” Mr. Jeanthenor said.

The dismay over Mrs. Clinton in South Florida’s Haitian community is not likely to affect her fortunes on Tuesday, as she holds a comfortable lead over Mr. Sanders in state polls. Whether it could damage her in a general election is unclear. An estimated 150,000 Haitian-American voters live in Florida, the state where 537 votes decided the 2000 election. But they have also overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, according to Fernand R. Amandi, a principal partner of Bendixen & Amandi International, a public opinion research firm in Miami that has polled Haitian-Americans extensively.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hill... (show quote)


Great article but the "progressives" will ignore it totally.

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Aug 15, 2016 14:15:03   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
mwdegutis wrote:
We’ll keep it simple Paul using your criteria and your article:

Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation
Consolidated Statements of Activities
Year Ended December 31, 2013
Total revenues, gains and other: $294,741,158
Total expenses and losses: $222,621,102 (75.5 percent)
Change in net assets: $72,120,056

Hardly the 88 percent program percentage that you suggested.

And will you please point out how I attacked you. This is at least the second time in the course of our interactions that you have blamed me of this without pointing out how I did...just accusing me of it.
We’ll keep it simple Paul using your criteria and ... (show quote)

read a conversation earlier about how people on the left dont like any conversation that contradicts their way of thinking. when it does they start blaming everything on others and that they are being racesist ect this kind of hits they nail on the head

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Aug 15, 2016 15:28:38   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
mwdegutis wrote:
We’ll keep it simple Paul using your criteria and your article:

Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation
Consolidated Statements of Activities
Year Ended December 31, 2013
Total revenues, gains and other: $294,741,158
Total expenses and losses: $222,621,102 (75.5 percent)
Change in net assets: $72,120,056

Hardly the 88 percent program percentage that you suggested.

And will you please point out how I attacked you. This is at least the second time in the course of our interactions that you have blamed me of this without pointing out how I did...just accusing me of it.
We’ll keep it simple Paul using your criteria an... (show quote)




Thank you for the research. Your data agrees - as you indeed noted - with what the Clinton Foundation reported on its own website (see screenshot below).
And I can see how one might be confused by comparing income to expenses.

But that is not the benchmark either I or the charity watchdogs were addressing, nor is it the most valuable tool in assessing how a foundation uses its spending (though it could be a measure of how much a foundation is holding back, but in this case that is not a significant number.)

What the 88% measures is how much of outgoing expenditures actually went to programs the foundation runs (as opposed to expenditures for fundraising, and general management, etc.) When one compares the expenditures for PROGRAMS ($196,633,390) with TOTAL expenditures ($222,621,102) the percentage committed to what actually helps people is indeed 88%.

It requires a little bit of math from the numbers posted, as the amount spent on programs is not sub-totaled in the statement.



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Aug 15, 2016 15:35:26   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
mwdegutis wrote:
We’ll keep it simple Paul using your criteria and your article:

Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation
Consolidated Statements of Activities
Year Ended December 31, 2013
Total revenues, gains and other: $294,741,158
Total expenses and losses: $222,621,102 (75.5 percent)
Change in net assets: $72,120,056

Hardly the 88 percent program percentage that you suggested.

And will you please point out how I attacked you. This is at least the second time in the course of our interactions that you have blamed me of this without pointing out how I did...just accusing me of it.
We’ll keep it simple Paul using your criteria and ... (show quote)




I am here addressing the ad hominem attack separately.
I have already posted my response to your data in another posting.

Perhaps I was too quick to proclaim an attack, and I apologize for that.
Your comment "Don't deflect like you always do Paul by bringing up another subject." felt like an attack, but is in fact a generalization about my postings which is untrue.

I stand corrected.

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Aug 15, 2016 20:04:27   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JFlorio wrote:
Imagine that. Re-filing what a noble act. Wouldn't want Hillary to be accused of wrongdoing. Thanks for the post. It's what I'd seen and heard but couldn't find it. Why do people of any ilk defend these lying, entitled thieves?


I think the main reason is that they can not reason. Simple answer.

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Aug 15, 2016 20:15:30   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I am here addressing the ad hominem attack separately.
I have already posted my response to your data in another posting.

Perhaps I was too quick to proclaim an attack, and I apologize for that.
Your comment "Don't deflect like you always do Paul by bringing up another subject." felt like an attack, but is in fact a generalization about my postings which is untrue.

I stand corrected.

I apologize if my comment felt like an attack to you. I'll try to be more tactful in the future and please accept my apologies ahead of time if I'm inconsiderate.

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Aug 15, 2016 20:18:06   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PaulPisces wrote:
...But that is not the benchmark either I or the charity watchdogs were addressing, nor is it the most valuable tool in assessing how a foundation uses its spending (though it could be a measure of how much a foundation is holding back, but in this case that is not a significant number.)

So you consider holding back over $72 million (Change in net assets: $72,120,056) as "not significant?"

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Aug 16, 2016 14:31:42   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
mwdegutis wrote:
So you consider holding back over $72 million (Change in net assets: $72,120,056) as "not significant?"


The $72M is about 25% of the foundation's total assets, and no, I do not consider that a significant number. If the foundation were holding onto 80% of their assets I would question their status and want more information about why. As far as I know, 501(c)(3) non-profits have no requirement about how much of their assets they must distribute each year. I believe the requirements for a charitable trust, for example, do require that a certain % of the assets be distributed each year in order to maintain their status as charitable.

Prudent operating guidelines would dictate that any organization not disperse 100% of its assets or it would have no funds with which to operate in the coming year.
Plus we do not know what makes up those assets. Are they all cash? Is some of it real estate? Some of it health care supplies already committed to disbursement in the coming year? Perhaps some of it is in the form of restricted donations for a specific program that is in development with implementation in the future.

I want to be clear that I am not making a judgement call one way or the other about The Clinton Foundation. I really am not well educated about what they do and where they do it. All I am saying is that that their financial statements do not look amiss to me.

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Aug 16, 2016 14:46:02   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PaulPisces wrote:
...All I am saying is that that their financial statements do not look amiss to me.

I wouldn't doubt that they have "excellent" accountants.

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