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Dec 20, 2013 12:03:54   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Bill clinton was (and probably still is) sexually debauched. But he still was a pretty good president. And if he wasn't caught and convicted means anything else is an allegation. Just as Nixon is an alleged crook.
And the Contras were not communists-the government of Nicaragua was a democratically -elected communist government, even though it was just nominally so.
As far as Obama personally withholding security from Ambassador Stevens is ludicrous. The president doesn't personally oversee the security details for US embassies and consulates worldwide-he doesn't pick up the phone and say "do send help" or "don't send help". If you want to look at a possible culprit, take a look at the Republican House that had cut security funding for embassies and consulate by 75% the previous year.

But Ronald Reagan did set the rules of engagement for US troops in Lebanon, just as every president sets the rules of engagement for any deployment of US troops in a foreign country. And Secretary of Defense Cap Weinberger objected, just as he objected to Reagan's order to bomb one of the factions in that country's civil war, an action that made the marine barracks a target for that faction who viewed the Us not as peacekeepers, but as participants in that civil war.

Go find a person who was in the USMC at the time and ask them what they think of Reagan. The higher the rank of the former marines the better. The USMC is not known for being a haven for leftie types.

marke wrote:
Hungry...you just wish it was Bill Clinton. I grew up in Arkansas...I know all about Bill Clinton.You can downplay his role in several scandals, things such as file gate that occured during his admin and actually were already in progress before he left Ark.Nixon resigned because of a similar incident. The only thing Bill did was have enough sense to leave what Reagan did alone. I also didn't say Nicaragua had a communist government, I said that they were under seige by the contras..most decidedly communist guerillas. I also didn't say I didn't have a problem with what they did, I said that the motive was far more admirable than that of Obama and as far as the folks that died there, they asked for assistance, said they were under seige and there is evidence that Obama knew this and actually ordered the forces at a nearby base to stand down...so don't try to tell me that the only reason Stevens died was because he was passionate about his job...there were drones overhead ..they knew what was going on,otherwise why would they fabricate this bullcrap lie about a youtube video?Thats the real BS here and as far as Reagan killing those marines? A terrorist killed those marines..he drove a vehicle loaded with explosives into the barracks..I had friends that died there.If Reagan had had good intel do you think he wouldn't have stopped it? Most certainly as proved by Benghazi. Obumer wouldn't have if he thought it mightcost him an election. You need to spend some time reading some facinating dialogue in "Dreams of my Father"..it would enlighten you to the creep we have in the office of the presidency today. Never mind the fact that he was associated with a known terrorist or that both he and the first lady have been disbarred...wonder why..oh..those records are sealed aren't they.This guy even diallowed prayer by Christians on the whitehouse lawn during the National Day of Prayer because his Muslim buddies were there first...and Oh we aren't a Christion nation anymore..did you know that?If you haven't noticed there is at least a faction of Muslims who want us dead and by us I am including you.If you didn't notice after Reagan got done with Ghaddafi, we didn't hear anything from the guy for decades...Reagan did that without ever putting a single boot on the ground.No Obama didn't kill Stevens, he allowed him to die. He stood back while a fellow American lost his life..and why? because he didn't want that stain on his re-election effort.So make yourself guilty by association, but I wash my hands of him and you.Anybody with common sense who wasn't sold out regardless of the circumstances would see whats going on. it doesn't take a genius..most Americans are beginning to understand...just too bad sold out folks like yourself, poor, deluded and blind can't see it.
Hungry...you just wish it was Bill Clinton. I grew... (show quote)

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Dec 20, 2013 12:26:54   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
a VERY short list of quotes by George W. Bush:

"I'll be long gone before any person figures out what happened in the Oval Office" May 12, 2008.

"Let me say that in 2000, I said 'vote for me, I'm an agent for change.' In 2004, I said 'I'm not interested in change, I want to continue to be president.'. Every candidate has to say change. The American people expect it." May 5, 2008.

I've abandoned free market principle to save the free market system." Dec. 16, 2008.

And yet it was, most of the time, very clear what President Bush was saying even when he mangled it. He wasn't stupid-he just had difficulty saying what he meant in a clear and concise manner. And, having a camera or microphone on you every waking hour, things are going to be said that do't come out right.

I found George W. Bush to be a decent man-he didn't pardon Scooter Libby like his father pardoned all those convicted in Iran Contra. Some of his policies, especially the Iraq War, drove me to distraction. But I have no doubt that he was a sincere, decent man who may have been manipulated by some of those around him.
IN context to what Obama said one must look at when it was said-McCain had just stopped a political rally to tell a woman who had shouted out "(Obama's) a Muslim." McCain said "no he isn't."

"It flowed right out of Obama's mouth as smoothly as if it were on his teleprompter."

You're seeing what you want to see. That's your right, but it doesn't make it fact. To me, the charge of "Obama's a Muslim" is a more tactful way of saying "Obama's not white."

There's a Bush quote I can't find right now in which he said "we stand with the terrorist" Everybody knows he didn't mean it although it flowed out of his mouth, well, like everything else flowed out of his mouth. This was at a time when a few fringe types were claiming the fall of the World Trade Centers on 9011-2001 was an inside job by Bush and his cronies. The fringe types immediately glommed onto the quote as "proof" of President Bush's involvement. The idea that the administration of a US president would be involved in such an attack, or any attack on law-abiding US citizens, is ludicrous.

Bush's spoonerism were his most endearing trait-especially since he poked fun at himself and his stilted speak patterns. He's probably more of a 'real" person that his father or Obama. He simply mad some bad mistakes as president. It doesn't make him a bad man.

Same goes for Obama. Yet for some reason there's a minority in this country who just can't let it go. Obama is evil to them and they will accept no evidence to the contrary. I feel sorry for them. It must have been rough to see the man they think is evil elected president and re-elected president.

Obama isn't tearing this country apart. Those who have this irrational hatred of the man are. This horrible, hatful rhetoric is by far the worst I've ever seen aimed at a president, even the invective the Left threw at Nixon pales by comparison.

So go ahead and continue to tear this country apart. I guess it's your right. But you'll also have to live with the unintended consequences.
a VERY short list of quotes by George W. Bush: br ... (show quote)


First of all....you are too assuming when you mention "Bush" to everyone including me, who I did not vote for. I wrote in Ron Paul and voted Libertarian.
Also, your statement "To me, the charge of "Obama's a Muslim" is a more tactful way of saying "Obama's not white." is absurd. You just cannot bring yourself around to the fact that on national TV he told ALL OF US, including you, of his "Muslim faith". It is NOT an accident and Stepanoctapus had to correct him or he would have kept on going without correcting himself because he was speaking the truth. Period

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Dec 20, 2013 22:17:07   #
Hungry Freaks
 
I don't assume anyone to have voted for anybody. I just question why the invective against Obama when Bush said and did equally as appalling things.

You assume it's not a slip of the tongue, despite the fact that his rival had the decency to tell a member of his audience that "he's not a Muslim. We just have different views of the future.

Those of the Islamic faith pray five times a day. It's something even Muslims in the West do, including the guy who runs the gas station nearest my house.

Has anyone ever seen President Obama in such prayer?

"From the horse's moth" just tells me how desperate some of the fringe is to discredit this man. I voted for Ron Paul, too, Twice, as a write in in 2012. But I
m sick and tired of seeing such invective heaped on the president. It's the worst of my life, including that heaped upon Nixon. This fringe is tearing the country apart with their blind hatred. I'm throughly sick of it.

bdamage wrote:
First of all....you are too assuming when you mention "Bush" to everyone including me, who I did not vote for. I wrote in Ron Paul and voted Libertarian.
Also, your statement "To me, the charge of "Obama's a Muslim" is a more tactful way of saying "Obama's not white." is absurd. You just cannot bring yourself around to the fact that on national TV he told ALL OF US, including you, of his "Muslim faith". It is NOT an accident and Stepanoctapus had to correct him or he would have kept on going without correcting himself because he was speaking the truth. Period
First of all....you are too assuming when you ment... (show quote)

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Dec 20, 2013 22:28:29   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
I don't assume anyone to have voted for anybody. I just question why the invective against Obama when Bush said and did equally as appalling things.

You assume it's not a slip of the tongue, despite the fact that his rival had the decency to tell a member of his audience that "he's not a Muslim. We just have different views of the future.

Those of the Islamic faith pray five times a day. It's something even Muslims in the West do, including the guy who runs the gas station nearest my house.

Has anyone ever seen President Obama in such prayer?

"From the horse's moth" just tells me how desperate some of the fringe is to discredit this man. I voted for Ron Paul, too, Twice, as a write in in 2012. But I
m sick and tired of seeing such invective heaped on the president. It's the worst of my life, including that heaped upon Nixon. This fringe is tearing the country apart with their blind hatred. I'm throughly sick of it.
I don't assume anyone to have voted for anybody. I... (show quote)


Perhaps you should change your political philosophy and become a Conservative. Then you could see his failings as they, Conservatives, do.

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Dec 20, 2013 22:42:59   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
I don't assume anyone to have voted for anybody. I just question why the invective against Obama when Bush said and did equally as appalling things.

You assume it's not a slip of the tongue, despite the fact that his rival had the decency to tell a member of his audience that "he's not a Muslim. We just have different views of the future.

Those of the Islamic faith pray five times a day. It's something even Muslims in the West do, including the guy who runs the gas station nearest my house.

Has anyone ever seen President Obama in such prayer?

"From the horse's moth" just tells me how desperate some of the fringe is to discredit this man. I voted for Ron Paul, too, Twice, as a write in in 2012. But I
m sick and tired of seeing such invective heaped on the president. It's the worst of my life, including that heaped upon Nixon. This fringe is tearing the country apart with their blind hatred. I'm throughly sick of it.
I don't assume anyone to have voted for anybody. I... (show quote)


He still smokes a pack a day...that's 20 cigs. Ever seen him smoking since he was elected? Pa-lease. Wake up H-F...he HATES this country and is trying to change it according to his Iranian-born advisor, Valerie Jarrett.
You're so gullible McFly.

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Dec 21, 2013 11:36:34   #
Hungry Freaks
 
I'm gullible? Pluuuese yourself.

"His Iranian born advisor" I'm not sure of it's true, but it is immaterial where someone was born. And he hates this country? Sure, that's why he killed OBL-something George W. Bush said "wasn't important." Bringing justice to someone who ordered the deaths of more than 3,000 Americans "isn't important"????

You're blinded by irrational hatred. there's not much difference between George W.Bush and barack Obama, except Obama is prosecuting the war on terrorism with a bit more finesse. Both expanded federal powers-Bush in education, which really hadn't, until the No Child Left Behind Act, suffered much federal control in what has traditionally be a local control service-public education. Obama has expanded, or is expanding, federal control, albeit primarily thorough private insurance companies, into health care, where the feds and the states had already,long before Obama got in office, paid 45% of all health care bills.

Taxes have gone up, the country remains deeply in debt through structural annual deficits that have been in place, except for two years under Clinton, since 1982, firearms control hasnt't been enacted, except for two executive orders giving funds to enforce existing firearms control laws, we are out of one war started by Bush II and getting out of the second war started by Bush.

The drones thing is bothersome, but so were the two wars started by BushII.

No, not much difference at all. I'm mystified at all the invective and hatred.

Get real and get over it.









bdamage wrote:
He still smokes a pack a day...that's 20 cigs. Ever seen him smoking since he was elected? Pa-lease. Wake up H-F...he HATES this country and is trying to change it according to his Iranian-born advisor, Valerie Jarrett.
You're so gullible McFly.

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Dec 21, 2013 12:15:30   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
I'm gullible? Pluuuese yourself.

"His Iranian born advisor" I'm not sure of it's true, but it is immaterial where someone was born. And he hates this country? Sure, that's why he killed OBL-something George W. Bush said "wasn't important." Bringing justice to someone who ordered the deaths of more than 3,000 Americans "isn't important"????

You're blinded by irrational hatred. there's not much difference between George W.Bush and barack Obama, except Obama is prosecuting the war on terrorism with a bit more finesse. Both expanded federal powers-Bush in education, which really hadn't, until the No Child Left Behind Act, suffered much federal control in what has traditionally be a local control service-public education. Obama has expanded, or is expanding, federal control, albeit primarily thorough private insurance companies, into health care, where the feds and the states had already,long before Obama got in office, paid 45% of all health care bills.

Taxes have gone up, the country remains deeply in debt through structural annual deficits that have been in place, except for two years under Clinton, since 1982, firearms control hasnt't been enacted, except for two executive orders giving funds to enforce existing firearms control laws, we are out of one war started by Bush II and getting out of the second war started by Bush.

The drones thing is bothersome, but so were the two wars started by BushII.

No, not much difference at all. I'm mystified at all the invective and hatred.

Get real and get over it.
I'm gullible? Pluuuese yourself. br br "His ... (show quote)


Why do you keep bringing up past failures when we should be concentrating on the existing one. Live in the present H-F. Do you have like some type of Bush fetish or what? And BHO has never killed anyone nor could he ever do so. Seal Team 6 killed OBL. Period
Here is who the POTUS listens to more than anyone else including his wife:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/john-perazzo/valerie-jarretts-radical-roots/

I don't hate anyone, even if they are as annoying as you.
I will give you credit though....your douchebaggery is extremely consistent so at least you have that going for you.

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Dec 21, 2013 13:40:41   #
Hungry Freaks
 
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

And each time we forget the past and repeat our past mistakes, the price gets higher. Americas are capable of incredible acts of political amnesia. This tendency is nowhere more evidence as when the right harps upon deficits and the national debt.

A Bush fetish? Not at all. I simply remember what happened and the complete, total silence of the right. Just trying to find out why it was alright with the right back then but now is some sort of imagined evil.

The president is the Commander in Chief. He shares with the military successes and is blamed for the military's failure. Had Seal Team Six failed, or worse, had they been killed, the right would have been all over Obama like white on rice. Am I wrong on this? Or would it been "well, Seal Team Six failed." I doubt it.

Look at what happened in Benghazi, which ultimately rests on the president. There are posters on this forum who claim Obama had Ambassador Stevens killed "because he (Stevens) knew too much." Or that Obama called directly to have aid for Stevens held back. It boggles the imagination.

If you want a culprit, look at the Republican House who cut the president's budget for embassey and consulate protection by 75%.

But tell me, had Seal Team Six failed, who would you have blamed?

And, no, you don't hate. Keep telling yourself that. Have I every given George W. Bush or Ronald Wilson Reagan a derogatory name? No. It's the serial Obama haters who disrespect not only the man, but the office.

Again, who would you have blamed if Seal Team Six failed? that's an easy one.

bdamage wrote:
Why do you keep bringing up past failures when we should be concentrating on the existing one. Live in the present H-F. Do you have like some type of Bush fetish or what? And BHO has never killed anyone nor could he ever do so. Seal Team 6 killed OBL. Period
Here is who the POTUS listens to more than anyone else including his wife:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/john-perazzo/valerie-jarretts-radical-roots/

I don't hate anyone, even if they are as annoying as you.
I will give you credit though....your douchebaggery is extremely consistent so at least you have that going for you.
Why do you keep bringing up past failures when we ... (show quote)

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Dec 21, 2013 13:47:57   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
bdamage wrote:
He still smokes a pack a day...that's 20 cigs. Ever seen him smoking since he was elected? Pa-lease. Wake up H-F...he HATES this country and is trying to change it according to his Iranian-born advisor, Valerie Jarrett.
You're so gullible McFly.


Just for clarification, Jarrett was actually born in this country, Illinois I think, but went to Iran at the age of two with her parents. It was there she was educated and reared.

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Dec 21, 2013 13:54:12   #
Liberty Tree
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

And each time we forget the past and repeat our past mistakes, the price gets higher. Americas are capable of incredible acts of political amnesia. This tendency is nowhere more evidence as when the right harps upon deficits and the national debt.

A Bush fetish? Not at all. I simply remember what happened and the complete, total silence of the right. Just trying to find out why it was alright with the right back then but now is some sort of imagined evil.

The president is the Commander in Chief. He shares with the military successes and is blamed for the military's failure. Had Seal Team Six failed, or worse, had they been killed, the right would have been all over Obama like white on rice. Am I wrong on this? Or would it been "well, Seal Team Six failed." I doubt it.

Look at what happened in Benghazi, which ultimately rests on the president. There are posters on this forum who claim Obama had Ambassador Stevens killed "because he (Stevens) knew too much." Or that Obama called directly to have aid for Stevens held back. It boggles the imagination.

If you want a culprit, look at the Republican House who cut the president's budget for embassey and consulate protection by 75%.

But tell me, had Seal Team Six failed, who would you have blamed?

And, no, you don't hate. Keep telling yourself that. Have I every given George W. Bush or Ronald Wilson Reagan a derogatory name? No. It's the serial Obama haters who disrespect not only the man, but the office.

Again, who would you have blamed if Seal Team Six failed? that's an easy one.
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repe... (show quote)


Obama knew those at Benghazi were not safe and left them there. The British pulled their people out, as did the Red Cross. That nonsence about Republicans cutting funding is just Democrat spin to protect Obama. There were plenty of resources available but Obama did not use them. The famililies of those killed in Benghazi have stated repeatedly that Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden, and Panetta lied to them and have failed to answer any of their questions. I guess to you that is Bush's fault too. Face it, no amount of facts will ever change your worship of Obama and you will always find an excuse for everything he does.

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Dec 21, 2013 16:50:18   #
graham2252
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Obama knew those at Benghazi were not safe and left them there. The British pulled their people out, as did the Red Cross. That nonsence about Republicans cutting funding is just Democrat spin to protect Obama. There were plenty of resources available but Obama did not use them. The famililies of those killed in Benghazi have stated repeatedly that Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden, and Panetta lied to them and have failed to answer any of their questions. I guess to you that is Bush's fault too. Face it, no amount of facts will ever change your worship of Obama and you will always find an excuse for everything he does.
Obama knew those at Benghazi were not safe and lef... (show quote)
Now that I have read all that is here and reflect on the title of this forum,"Obama is tearing America apart" it is clear that a lot of responses have got off the path of addressing the topic. Hate and racism have many of the same ingredients and they both are learned behaviors. If we focus on the good a president brings to the office he leads we could rid ourselves of some of the misinformation that has clouded our abilities to fairly judge ones accomplished and deeds. The trueth in it self shows that America is and has been getting torn apart for a long time way before most of us were born. It would be better if we as a nation could find some common ground and work together to fix whats wrong. But the problem with doing that is that some of the hard right wing conservatives have inbeded so much hate into their followers they believe this president is the problem. When in trueth, the record shows that Obama administration has brought America out of a reccession and the growth of the economy has steadily grown. Also the bail out of GM save over three hundred thousand jobs. The bail out of banks saved millions of jobs and more important it saved all the innocent people's money(savings). Yet there is no credit given to this president for forseeing the need to do these things. I notice no conservative that has visited this site mention that the shutdown cost tax payers about 24 billion dollars done by republicans. No mention of how this congress has done less work than any congress in history, and they were sent to capital hill to do work. No mention that in 230 years of goverment 182 filibusters have occured and 86 of them happened when this (black) president was in office in five years. No mention of the decision to obstruct, block and deny this president any and all attempts to govern and get things done is what this GOP has done. Lead by right wing tea party members who are on record saying they were only going to stop this president from accomplishing anything. So they use mis information like he was not born in America, the ACA (Obamacare)is a train reck. No one is talking about how bad it is that the health care system was causing a lot of people to go bankrupt before this president was elected and yet this president chose to help get that fixed and give health care to all Americans even though republicans decided to not help nor come up with a plan to fix a broken health care system already broken. So when you speak of this president speak of the trueth and solutions, and not all this anger to get rid of someone who has done much to improve all Americans,including those who hate him for reasons that we all know. And consider all have made mistakes, yet this president has been openly disrespected at every turn he has made. Remember, when you follow some one make sure he or she is on the right side trueth.

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Dec 21, 2013 20:37:25   #
Liberty Tree
 
graham2252 wrote:
Now that I have read all that is here and reflect on the title of this forum,"Obama is tearing America apart" it is clear that a lot of responses have got off the path of addressing the topic. Hate and racism have many of the same ingredients and they both are learned behaviors. If we focus on the good a president brings to the office he leads we could rid ourselves of some of the misinformation that has clouded our abilities to fairly judge ones accomplished and deeds. The trueth in it self shows that America is and has been getting torn apart for a long time way before most of us were born. It would be better if we as a nation could find some common ground and work together to fix whats wrong. But the problem with doing that is that some of the hard right wing conservatives have inbeded so much hate into their followers they believe this president is the problem. When in trueth, the record shows that Obama administration has brought America out of a reccession and the growth of the economy has steadily grown. Also the bail out of GM save over three hundred thousand jobs. The bail out of banks saved millions of jobs and more important it saved all the innocent people's money(savings). Yet there is no credit given to this president for forseeing the need to do these things. I notice no conservative that has visited this site mention that the shutdown cost tax payers about 24 billion dollars done by republicans. No mention of how this congress has done less work than any congress in history, and they were sent to capital hill to do work. No mention that in 230 years of goverment 182 filibusters have occured and 86 of them happened when this (black) president was in office in five years. No mention of the decision to obstruct, block and deny this president any and all attempts to govern and get things done is what this GOP has done. Lead by right wing tea party members who are on record saying they were only going to stop this president from accomplishing anything. So they use mis information like he was not born in America, the ACA (Obamacare)is a train reck. No one is talking about how bad it is that the health care system was causing a lot of people to go bankrupt before this president was elected and yet this president chose to help get that fixed and give health care to all Americans even though republicans decided to not help nor come up with a plan to fix a broken health care system already broken. So when you speak of this president speak of the trueth and solutions, and not all this anger to get rid of someone who has done much to improve all Americans,including those who hate him for reasons that we all know. And consider all have made mistakes, yet this president has been openly disrespected at every turn he has made. Remember, when you follow some one make sure he or she is on the right side trueth.
Now that I have read all that is here and reflect ... (show quote)


A nice repeating of standard DNC talking points. Obama knows nothing about the right side of truth. He has lied about Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS targeting certain groups, NSA, Obamacare, manipulated economic indicaters, etc. He has caused million more in debt, and all the jobs he reportedly saved or created were really just made up figures. Continue to worship him if you wish, but the truth will come our about his real goals for the USA but even then you will stick to the party line.

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Dec 21, 2013 21:07:19   #
graham2252
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
A nice repeating of standard DNC talking points. Obama knows nothing about the right side of truth. He has lied about Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS targeting certain groups, NSA, Obamacare, manipulated economic indicaters, etc. He has caused million more in debt, and all the jobs he reportedly saved or created were really just made up figures. Continue to worship him if you wish, but the truth will come our about his real goals for the USA but even then you will stick to the party line.
Am I or anyone else to believe that you know more than everyone? Well as far as I can see you have said nothing that convinces me that Obama is tearing America apart. I don't have to be convince but I would like to hear facts that you may have that confirms that he is tearing America apart and not the talking points you have chosen to discredit and bad mouth the president. The things you describe or mention is the same witch hunt Darrel Issle makes and continues to make. A man who both parties are now refusing to share top secret information with because he leaks it then lies and stretches the true or omitts the trueth in order to hide his lies. Lets stick to the topic of this forum by addressing what it is that the president is doing that is tearing America apart. All lawyers are liars and that is what is in government a group of lawyers and their job is to make laws and write legistration. So where is it you see the president tearing America apart. Lets not result to name calling and insults because that does not help us discuss rationally the topic. I could tell you my beliefs as to who and what is tearing America apart but I would first like to hear you address this issue with serious content of proving your points. Remember lawyers job is to lie when they feel it needs to be done and they do it better than most.

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Dec 21, 2013 21:34:01   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Just for clarification, Jarrett was actually born in this country, Illinois I think, but went to Iran at the age of two with her parents. It was there she was educated and reared.


OG...I know you were just trying to help, but she was born in Iran...

1. Valerie Jarrett was born Nov. 14, 1956, in Shiraz, Iran, where her parents, James and Barbara Bowman, lived for six years. Her father, a doctor, was working in Iran as part of a program that sent American physicians to developing countries.
http://www.usnews.com/news/obama/articles/2009/04/03/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-valerie-jarrett

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Dec 21, 2013 21:38:47   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
bdamage wrote:
OG...I know you were just trying to help, but she was born in Iran...

1. Valerie Jarrett was born Nov. 14, 1956, in Shiraz, Iran, where her parents, James and Barbara Bowman, lived for six years. Her father, a doctor, was working in Iran as part of a program that sent American physicians to developing countries.
http://www.usnews.com/news/obama/articles/2009/04/03/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-valerie-jarrett


We seem to have read two different, conflicting, stories relating to her place of birth. I won't dispute your source, nor will I disclaim mine. Fair enough?

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